2020 Presidential Election

[Brock Beauchamp]

Because the wealthy don't have money sitting around to pay it, if it is unrealized. I get what you are saying, but I just don't know how it works. Nor do I like it for some reason I can't put my finger on.

 

Inheritance is a transaction, and the people getting the money never had it. So, they can pull some cash out and pay taxes. That's different than someone just sitting on lots of stock.

 

What if you tax Bezos so much he doesn't have a controlling interest in the company he helped build? I don't like that idea.....

I have the exact same issues.

 

Though they’re more speculative issues than anything else. I need to know more specifics about how it all works.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I have the exact same issues.

Though they’re more speculative issues than anything else. I need to know more specifics about how it all works.

 

Right, I'm open to any idea....but I'd need to see an actual proposal first....

[TheLeviathan]

 

Because the wealthy don't have money sitting around to pay it, if it is unrealized. I get what you are saying, but I just don't know how it works. Nor do I like it for some reason I can't put my finger on.

 

Inheritance is a transaction, and the people getting the money never had it. So, they can pull some cash out and pay taxes. That's different than someone just sitting on lots of stock.

 

What if you tax Bezos so much he doesn't have a controlling interest in the company he helped build? I don't like that idea.....

 

Yeah, I certainly don't have the nuances of it.  I've heard it bandied about as an option and it intrigues me.  

 

The inheritance issue has similar issues.  What if a child is about to lose a major stake in a company their father built, but they help run?  Or it was wealth they helped build they are inheriting?  I don't know how you'd determine which people did or did not have a role in that and certainly many children get their inheritance passed down to them in the form of things other than liquid assets.  

 

I feel like we agree in spirit on an avenue of wealth equality that is untapped, but I'll be the first to admit I don't know nearly enough to formulate a detailed plan for how to attack that issue.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Yeah, I certainly don't have the nuances of it.  I've heard it bandied about as an option and it intrigues me.  

 

The inheritance issue has similar issues.  What if a child is about to lose a major stake in a company their father built, but they help run?  Or it was wealth they helped build they are inheriting?  I don't know how you'd determine which people did or did not have a role in that and certainly many children get their inheritance passed down to them in the form of things other than liquid assets.  

 

I feel like we agree in spirit on an avenue of wealth equality that is untapped, but I'll be the first to admit I don't know nearly enough to formulate a detailed plan for how to attack that issue.

One difference I see with inheritance is that it's often split up between multiple children/relatives/colleagues anyway. In many cases, assets are sold to split amongst the inheritors no matter how much/little the government takes in the process.

[Musk21]

Buttigieg jumps to 3rd in both IA and NH in latest polls. Think he could win a general election?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-11/buttigieg-sees-polling-jump-among-2020-democrats-in-early-states?utm_medium=social&utm_content=politics&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-politics&utm_source=twitter

 

[PseudoSABR]

 

Buttigieg jumps to 3rd in both IA and NH in latest polls. Think he could win a general election?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-11/buttigieg-sees-polling-jump-among-2020-democrats-in-early-states?utm_medium=social&utm_content=politics&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-politics&utm_source=twitter

I do.  I don't think there's a lot homophobic people who aren't already totally in the bag for Trump.  The lack of experience probably is his biggest pitfall.  Has there ever been a nominee who was merely a mayor before running for President?

[Brock Beauchamp]

I really like Buttigieg but don’t think he’s ready.

 

Perfect VP candidate, though.

[howeda7]

 

I do.  I don't think there's a lot homophobic people who aren't already totally in the bag for Trump.  The lack of experience probably is his biggest pitfall.  Has there ever been a nominee who was merely a mayor before running for President?

Trump wasn't even a mayor. And I don't think Obama's experience was much stronger than Pete's (state senate and half a term as US Senator.)

[PseudoSABR]

[Badsmerf]

How was that town hall?

[PseudoSABR]

 

How was that town hall?

I didn't watch. But I think it was a good idea. I'll continue to say Bernie has more cross appeal to the populist Trump voters than some us are willing to acknowledge.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

How was that town hall?

Well, watch the clip.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Admittedly hard to glean much from :21 seconds, but I think it does say something.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Finished it. Actually, I think that one small clip is a perfect snapshot of the whole evening.

[ewen21]

 

I didn't watch. But I think it was a good idea. I'll continue to say Bernie has more cross appeal to the populist Trump voters than some us are willing to acknowledge.

You support Bernie, but you couldn't find the time to watch the town hall meeting?  I suggest you watch and then tell me what you think.

 

He seems like a nice guy, but 1) he is no leader and 2) he once again failed to articulate how he would carry out some of the things that gave him mass appeal.  How is "taxing Wall Street speculation" going to pay for free college education?

 

Another thing I found funny was when Ilhan Omar was mentioned the crowd cheered wildly.  What exactly does she do that is so spectacular?  When they asked about her he said he's talked to her maybe two times.  He clearly didn't want to touch that hot potato and that was probably smart.  Then again, I thought he talked in circles and said nothing.  I also found it odd that he'd sit down after a question was asked and then stand up when he answered.   He looked very uncomfortable.  I just don't see how he could hold up to the daily rigors of being a president.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

You support Bernie, but you couldn't find the time to watch the town hall meeting?  I suggest you watch and then tell me what you think.

 

He seems like a nice guy, but 1) he is no leader and 2) he once again failed to articulate how he would carry out some of the things that gave him mass appeal.  How is "taxing Wall Street speculation" going to pay for free college education?

 

Another thing I found funny was when Ilhan Omar was mentioned the crowd cheered wildly.  What exactly does she do that is so spectacular?  When they asked about her he said he's talked to her maybe two times.  He clearly didn't want to touch that hot potato and that was probably smart.  Then again, I thought he talked in circles and said nothing.  I also found it odd that he'd sit down after a question was asked and then stand up when he answered.   He looked very uncomfortable.  I just don't see how he could hold up to the daily rigors of being a president.

Thanks for watching. I disagree that he looked uncomfortable, and I think you are plain wrong about him not being able to hold up to the rigors of the presidency. He has actually been out on the trail quite a bit fighting for these issues, even after the election was decided and all the other Democrats went home.

 

He comes across much different in this setting than he does when the main stream media portrays him in headlines. The question was “You are a staunch supporter of Ilhan Omar—“ and Sanders cut off the questioner and said he’s talked to her two times. I don’t know what else he is supposed to say. Her supporters in the audience were very vocal, but I do think it was a balanced audience. The host even said it was.

 

I still think Sanders comes across as too grouchy but still sincere. But I think people are grouchier this time and it won’t be a strike against him. When the Fox host asked Bernie to lay off the unnecessary Fox criticism, he did. If he could somehow turn up his “bedside manner” from 1 or 2 where it’s at now, to about 4 or 5, I think he’d be close to unbeatable.

 

And again, he was the only Democrat to accept the offer to do this. He apparently couldn’t care less about the Mueller Report, which to me is a mark in his favor. He is talking about things the people want to talk about, not the media, and in the closing he said as much. We shall see what happens.

[ewen21]

That is EXACTLY how the exchange with the FOX reporters went when it came to the Omar quesiton.  Thanks for doing it better than me.

 

 

I give Bernie a whole lot of credit for stepping into the FOX line of questioning and I thought they were very respectful of Bernie.  Interestingly they had "Bernie Sanders, VT (I)" up on the screen.  Is he a democrat or an independent?

 

Anyway, I also give him credit for trying distance himself from the smear politics used by Clinton.  When they asked him about Biden he would not do in detail about him and I think that is the way it should be.  However, I would like to see him be more clear on the HOW part when he talks about solutions.  He speaks in such broad terms and moves all over the place.

[ewen21]

I probably will purchase Bernie's last book "Guide to Political Revolution"

 

It's great to be a revolutionary, speaking on the outside because you don't have to do anything but be a voice in the wilderness.  What happens when the revolutionary gets the reigns?  

[Squirrel]

I probably will purchase Bernie's last book "Guide to Political Revolution"

 

It's great to be a revolutionary, speaking on the outside because you don't have to do anything but be a voice in the wilderness.  What happens when the revolutionary gets the reigns?

 

Things change. Hopefully for the better. If Congress then lets it.

[TheLeviathan]

I think it's safe to say that wasn't a Fox crowd, it was a Bernie crowd.  And, yes, that matters.

 

Still, good for Sanders to do that.

[Squirrel]

That is EXACTLY how the exchange with the FOX reporters went when it came to the Omar quesiton. Thanks for doing it better than me.

 

 

I give Bernie a whole lot of credit for stepping into the FOX line of questioning and I thought they were very respectful of Bernie. Interestingly they had "Bernie Sanders, VT (I)" up on the screen. Is he a democrat or an independent?

 

Anyway, I also give him credit for trying distance himself from the smear politics used by Clinton. When they asked him about Biden he would not do in detail about him and I think that is the way it should be. However, I would like to see him be more clear on the HOW part when he talks about solutions. He speaks in such broad terms and moves all over the place.

Bernie has been an independent or third party candidate for all of his political career, which goes back a long way. He ran for offices in the 70s as a Liberal Union candidate. (I think that’s what it was called), and became mayor of Burlington in the 80s under another 3rd party, don’t remember which, but he always referred to himself as a socialist. When he ran for the U.S. Rep seat in Vermont, he ran as an Independent, as running as a Socialist he likely wouldn’t have won. Although, not sure if there was even a Democratic candidate running on those elections either. I think the choice for voters was a Republican or Bernie, as an Independent, so essentially he was the Democratic candidate, but not. He was an Independent, caucusing and voting with the Democrats, all his years as a Representative and as a U.S. Senator until 2015 when he switched parties in order to run for President as a Democrat, rather than an Independent or 3rd party, for a larger, national stage to get out his stances on issues, and have a chance at winning without splitting the vote. I’m not sure if he switched back and forth again in that time, but now refers to himself as a Democratic Socialist. He basically has never liked any of the parties and has eschewed them his whole life and political career, and there is merit to that. However, he’s not really a Democrat except for calling himself one in order to run for President.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I think it's safe to say that wasn't a Fox crowd, it was a Bernie crowd.  And, yes, that matters.

 

Still, good for Sanders to do that.

No doubt a lot of Bernie supporters wiggled in there and were very vocal.

 

But when the camera panned the audience, it did look like a normal cross section of people. And the host called it a balanced crowd—maybe he regretted saying that.

[PseudoSABR]

 

 However, he’s not really a Democrat except for calling himself one in order to run for President.

What is a Democrat? Why can't the party move towards Bernie? I don't get the loyalty to the Democratic party. 

[Mike Sixel]

What is a Democrat? Why can't the party move towards Bernie? I don't get the loyalty to the Democratic party.

Well, he doesn't run as a Democrat for Senate, and he doesn't say he is one in the Senate, so I guess that's why he's not one. Since he says he isn't.

[Squirrel]

 

What is a Democrat? Why can't the party move towards Bernie? I don't get the loyalty to the Democratic party. 

We've had this discussion and I've given my answer to this question many times. They could move towards him, but his approach is angry and 'my way or no way.' At least, that's how it appears. Further, he has NEVER had an interest in any party ... EVER ... he could have done this years ago, when he first got to Congress. He could have worked from within and moved things in a very different direction, but chose not to. ever. In all his years. That's why I take issue with it now, as it just seems opportunistic in order to get his way. As I've also said, I don't even take issue with some of his stances, but his manner and his approach makes me distrustful of the man. And before you send me another angry PM, think twice. I don't know why I'm not allowed to have this opinion. Others have been very liberal, but worked from within to success, and I highly respected those individuals ... Paul Wellstone comes to mind. He and Bernie were great friends, as a matter of fact, largely because their beliefs were so similar. But one's approach I thought was far more honest and genuine, the other leaves me distrustful of the man, not the issues. His approach seems less than honest. It's that distrust that leaves me with the opinion ... he's not a true leader and not one I want to support as President. However, as I've also said, should he be the nominee, I will cast my vote for him because he is still, in all that I'm uncertain of, a far better person than the one currently residing in the White House.

[howeda7]

 

I didn't watch. But I think it was a good idea. I'll continue to say Bernie has more cross appeal to the populist Trump voters than some us are willing to acknowledge.

That might be true, but I sense those people are going to stay with Trump in the end. The 2018 election showed the way. Increasing shares in suburban areas, specifically suburban women. And obviously getting the under 35's to turn out.

[Squirrel]

 

That might be true, but I sense those people are going to stay with Trump in the end. The 2018 election showed the way. Increasing shares in suburban areas, specifically suburban women. And obviously getting the under 35's to turn out.

Two traditionally Republican congressional districts in Chicago suburbs went to Democrats ... because of their message and because of their grassroots campaigns, especially Underwood. She is a lesson for moving forward ... a good, unwaivering message that she brought to every corner of her district. She went out with the goal of talking to as many people as she could from suburbs to rural. Grassroots campaigning used to be a hallmark of Democrats, and that's something I'd like to see them get back to and hope they do. I guess with social media, many have fallen into a trap of not actually campaigning everywhere they possibly can and ignoring areas for the large city stops they make.

[TheLeviathan]

 

No doubt a lot of Bernie supporters wiggled in there and were very vocal.

But when the camera panned the audience, it did look like a normal cross section of people. And the host called it a balanced crowd—maybe he regretted saying that.

 

A "normal cross section of people" immediately makes it no longer a Fox audience though,

[Squirrel]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/439045-we-seem-to-be-ignoring-the-women-running-for-president?fbclid=IwAR3qP9wWbzyJHRjog8I650dH9Aq_QxUH1LSPgTB43rt3UShfZC0Ul-FfvOQ

 

I, for one, will be supporting a woman candidate. Not sure which one yet, but a woman.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/439045-we-seem-to-be-ignoring-the-women-running-for-president?fbclid=IwAR3qP9wWbzyJHRjog8I650dH9Aq_QxUH1LSPgTB43rt3UShfZC0Ul-FfvOQ

I, for one, will be supporting a woman candidate. Not sure which one yet, but a woman.

Haven't read the article but mostly... yep. The female candidates are far more interesting than the men (other than Pete, who I support fully but want to see in a VP role).

 

Which is why I support Warren with the backup of Klobuchar. The women I see are speaking much more to what I want than any of the men (other than Pete).