Privilege and Responsibility

[TheLeviathan]

 

 

If we are truly going to have a productive discussion about race these ugly facts need to be addressed.

 

All of the issues you listed are symptoms.  They are inextricably linked to the damage done to black men and women for hundreds of years.  Damage never rectified in any meaningful way.

[ewen21]

Bull Leviathan. Look at crime stats from 50, 60 years ago. The black crime rate then was nothing compared to now. Blaming this condition of crime and violence on slavery doesn't work.

 

Oh that's right. It must be "white privilege"!

 

Please. Plenty of blame must be assigned to cultural factors within the black community. I know Kyle Korver doesn't want to hear it. I know you don't want to hear it.....

But if you are calling black on black murder a symptom leftover from slavery you are being equal parts ignorant and arrogant.

 

I'm not exactly sure why blacks kill people at a much higher rate, but I do believe them being killed by police at a higher rate than whites has to do with their greater propensity for violence and physical confrontations. Makes a whole lot more sense than you saying slavery made them murder a rival gang member.

[TheLeviathan]

 

I'm not exactly sure why blacks kill people at a much higher rate

 

You had me fooled.  Seems odd to dismiss it if you are, in fact, not sure.

 

Perhaps, if you don't know why, you should consider what I'm suggesting.  

 

Saying "Being black makes you more violent" (as you have said repeatedly now) is definitionally racist.  

 

[ewen21]

Jason Whitlock clapped back hard on Korver. Good for him.

[ewen21]

More bull. Look up the FBI numbers for murder the last ten years. If you want can post links. They HAVE committed greater than 50% every year and they make up 12% of the population.

 

No about of sophistry or chicanery on your part dismiss the facts. You seem angry that I even presented those numbers. Why?

 

Blacks murdering blacks isn't about them. It's about US!

 

Huh??

[TheLeviathan]

 

More bull. Look up the FBI numbers for murder the last ten years. If you want can post links. They HAVE committed greater than 50% every year and they make up 12% of the population.

No about of sophistry or chicanery on your part dismiss the facts. You seem angry that I even presented those numbers. Why?

Blacks murdering blacks isn't about them. It's about US!

Huh??

 

You either can't or didn't read what I typed.  Please endeavor to actually try and see what is being said.

[ewen21]

I dare anyone whose responded to me to watch this video.  Larry Elder completely smokes the stance of systemic racism and he hits on some things I discussed here.  He also gets into Black LIves matter and other things we have discussed here.  So glad I found this and I am watching it on my TV right now:

 

I'm curious to see what kind of response SABR, Brock, Leviathan, Mr. Brooks, etc....has for what Elder says.  However, I will be dollars to donuts none of you guy will get through the entire 22 minutes

[ewen21]

 

You either can't or didn't read what I typed.  Please endeavor to actually try and see what is being said.

 

Well, I see you edited your post so what was said is in question.

 

I was responding to THIS:

Saying "Being black makes you more violent" (as you have said repeatedly now) is definitionally racist.

 

To say I am incapable of comprehending is more of the same stuff you always do when you get desperate.  Please stop.

 

You are trying to call me a racist by putting quotes around something you said.  I never said what was in the quotes.

 

According to FBI statistics over the last 7 or 8 years (available online), black commit way WAY more violent crimes than any other group.  

And your response that is???

"It's a symptom"

 

 

[ewen21]

For now, I will not respond to anything unless it has to do with the video I posted.

 

Try to suspend the fact that it comes from YouTube and listen to what the speaker has to say.  Dissect that if you can

[TheLeviathan]

 

For now, I will not respond to anything unless it has to do with the video I posted.

 

I think most people have bailed on conversing with you.  I'm sure you'll try to declare that this has been done due to the nature of your opinions.  Instead, it's childish, unsophisticated responses like this.  This is a complex issue that requires nuance and sophistication and you have, repeatedly, demonstrated that your contributions do not rise to that level.  In fact, to adequately describe your posting technique in this discussion I'd have to use adjectives board policy would not allow.

 

So I too will bail out in hopes that we can keep this important thread open for further discussions on these issues with those sophisticated and mature enough to handle them.

[TheLeviathan]

 

You and I might agree (I'm assuming here)  that there are aspects of our lives that are easier because of the way we look. I have zero issue with you calling that privilege. In reality though, that isn't how the term is used. As soon as the qualifier "white," is tacked on, the implication is that all white people are playing the game on easy mode while all minorities have the difficulty level cranked up. That's making incredibly sweeping generalizations, and when it's applied at an individual level, as it all too often is, it's used to degrade or invalidate.

 

I too think it's not helpful to weaponize privilege against people.  The way Korver invokes it is far more helpful and I think there is a lot to learn and model from his take.  

 

I very much wish white privilege was used more often in the way he describes it, because there is a vocal contingent who is too aggressive with the term.

[PseudoSABR]

 

I too think it's not helpful to weaponize privilege against people.  The way Korver invokes it is far more helpful and I think there is a lot to learn and model from his take.  

 

I very much wish white privilege was used more often in the way he describes it, because there is a vocal contingent who is too aggressive with the term.

This. Why I liked the Korver piece was because it was pitch perfect.  He parsed out the difference between guilt and those who simply can do something about the problem (which he calls responsibility) but I wouldn't even go that far. 

 

We can't stop people from jumping on this bandwagon or that cause, but we can provide an alternative practical way forward amongst all the noise. 

[KirbyDome89]

 

Well, I'd distinguish that just because you have a privilege doesn't mean it necessarily gets you anywhere.  There are plenty of white people who have tougher lives than black people, and often that's a matter of wealth.  Peggy McIntosh wrote an essay on White Privilege in the 1980s that's somewhat dated but lists dozens of small little privileges we don't necessarily think about.  And I agree with Korver's point that being able to opt-in and opt-out of whether to engage in the conversation about race is a privilege itself.  Simply put, a white person will never be mistaken for a black person, so in that sense there something universal here.

 

I'd also say although race on its own certainly doesn't impact parenting skills or work ethic, poverty does.  And parents who may lack work ethic among other valuable skills are less likely to pass those skills on.  And we can quickly see how that problem becomes inter-generational. And it is the connection between race and poverty that makes racism a systemic problem. 

It sounds like we're on the same page for the most part.

 

I buy that poverty can affect parenting skills in the sense that working 2 jobs isn't conducive to being a full time parent, and I'm sure there are a ton of other examples. Obviously it's impossible to pass down skills you don't possess, and generational wealth/poverty certainly is real. It's rare to see large jumps in SES class between one generation. That said, at some level I think the skills you listed are innate. Latinos are one of the hardest working groups in this country and they have some of the strongest family values you'll find, yet they also happen to be one of the poorest demographics. I don't think a straight line can be drawn from poverty to work ethic or parenting, and I think the same goes for race and poverty. Each of those are deep dives likely outside of the scope of this thread.   

[PseudoSABR]

 

It sounds like we're on the same page for the most part.

 

I buy that poverty can affect parenting skills in the sense that working 2 jobs isn't conducive to being a full time parent, and I'm sure there are a ton of other examples. Obviously it's impossible to pass down skills you don't possess, and generational wealth/poverty certainly is real. It's rare to see large jumps in SES class between one generation. That said, at some level I think the skills you listed are innate. Latinos are one of the hardest working groups in this country and they have some of the strongest family values you'll find, yet they also happen to be one of the poorest demographics. I don't think a straight line can be drawn from poverty to work ethic or parenting, and I think the same goes for race and poverty. Each of those are deep dives likely outside of the scope of this thread.   

Work ethic alone may not be enough to pull a family out of poverty, and may not even get passed on if parents are working all the time.  Poor people have go to crappier schools and simply have less class-jumping educational opportunities. 

 

And I don't think there's any direct lines to be drawn, just that if you're not only poor and you also don't look like the majority, you not only may not the life-skills to succeed, but you may not even get the opportunities to test them if you do.

[ewen21]

Korver's missive and the original post that launched this thread operate from the same dogma, and that is: White people are responsible for the problems black people face.   As far as I can tell, an essential takeaway from Korver's manifesto is that we as white people need to wake up, and shut up and listen because blacks are being crushed by a systemic bias that even the best intentioned whites do not understand.  We are all complicit in this whether we know it or not.  This suggests to me that there is no solution and that white people are dimwits who never listened to blacks.
Speak for yourself, Mr. Korver.  Who made you the White Shadow?

 

First of all, I don't need Kyle Korver to tell me to listen to what blacks are saying.  As matter of fact, I don't need any woke privileged athlete to tell me about issues of race in America.  I have been listening to this recent wave of athletes opining about race, but when I see people who have some of the same questions or comments I raise they don't want to have a dialogue.  We are just supposed to nod and listen while they don't listen back.  Who are these woke athletes?

Well....

Colin Kaepernick wanted everyone to listen about the issue of race and his entire focus was on police brutality.  He had the floor to expand on it (and still does) but he said his thing and has gone mute.  Be that as it may, while the protest was getting nonstop national attention from the media, FBI data quietly revealed the racial breakdown of homicide offenders in 2016 to be 6,095 blacks for and 5,004 whites (https://ucr.fbi.gov/...ata-table-2.xls) despite the fact that blacks comprise about 12% of the population.  This got ZERO play from the mainstream media and the woke sports outlets that discussed the issue nonstop didn't dare touch it.  Yet Kaepernick's "bodies in the streets" statement got tons of play.  If he wanted to, Kaepernick or other outspoken NFL players could familiarized himself with the numbers the FBI presented and acknowledged the problem goes beyond just the police.  It never happened because they don't listen.
Kaepernick could have gone on a run with San Francisco police to meet them half way and calm things down (and perhaps work in cooperation with them), but he refused.  He wouldn't listen.
in spite of what anyone might say, the disproportionate homicide figures supplied by FBI data show police must apprehend more black offenders committing homicide/manslaughter than any other race.   This is a statement of fact and it is a piece to the puzzle in the discussion that Kaepernick started..  It is information that can contribute to the dialogue, but no...  we can't go there.  They just won't hear it.  The data somehow implies racism.
And yet Kaepernick was able start an aggressive, accusatory campaign directed toward the police because he wanted to "bring attention to the issue of police brutality".  He became a symbol for "wokeness" with his anti-police rhetoric.  He sure woke me up on the issue.
In all my research, another thing never discussed, is that according to an article published by the NY Post police are 18.5 times more likely to be murdered by a black assailant.  This statistic is buried in the "you can never see this file".(https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/)
I will do more research into Heather MacDonald (the person who brought this information forward)
But I am curious.  Where is any further research/analysis on that figure?   I would like to see more research on who kills cops.  If those numbers are even halfway representative of reality then why shouldn't it get as much attention in the national media as what Kaerpernck got??
I would welcome anyone to find any further information on that data.

 

I am told to shut and listen.....
But I am listening.  I was paying attention when Michael Bennett conveyed his story of suffering and brutalization at the hands of Las Vegas police only to be completely disproved by the subsequent video provided from house surveillance.  Before the video came out he stood up at the mic in front of the NFL press and wrote a Twitter essay about how he had guns pointed at him for, "doing nothing more than being a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time"
According to Korver I needed to shut up and listen .  I did with this story, but then the facts came out and a video came out.
The best thing about that video is cops went right past dozens of other black patrons completely nullifying Bennett's claim of being "detained for being black"
He was detained for not complying when there was supposedly an active shooter in "the club"
And by the way, what was all that squealing about?
"I wanna be with my kids!  I wanna be with my kids!"
Seriously?  You are at a night club in the wee hours of the morning in Vegas.  If you want to be with your kids then what the heck are you doing there?  Utterly insane and completely ridiculous, and yet his voice was one that was coming from this "woke" dogma--the same one where Korver is angling to reside..  A voice we are supposed to listen to.  
Then again, the Bennett scenario could have been an instructive one for all of us: COMPLY if you are innocent!
If you do that things don't escalate.   To make matters worse, he had no ID! 
"I'm Michael Bennett, Seattle Seahawks.  Look it up"
Are you serious?  How does a grown man go out clubbing at night with no ID??
Oh.  Poor underprivileged Michael Bennett.
Please.  He totally lied and did so in an attempt to prop up Kaepernick's insane narrative.

Shut up and listen, says Korver.

I was listening when Tyrelle Pryor got into it with fans in Kansas City and accused some of hurling racial epitaphs at him.  I was suspicious because if a fan openly hurls a racial epitaph in an NFL stadium around me I am alerting security.  I might even rally up and confront the fan myself.  This is one thing ALL WHITE PEOPLE should do (and someone would have had it actually happened)

Not surprisingly, Pryor's claims weren't supported by anyone.  With all the people in proximity NO ONE picks it up but him??
It's just a bunch of racist whites covering for the hecklers  Is that the excuse, or is it maybe because Pryor was mistaken or he simply made it up??
I think it was his way of weaseling out of trouble with the Redskins for his conduct.

I was paying attention when Russell Westbrook got into it with a fan in Utah a little over a month ago.  He called the fan's taunting racist even though the only real quote he could provide was the fan said "you can get on your knees like you always have"
That's not racist. That is an insult to his manhood.  Get on your knees, as in: "go blow someone" and yet it got branded to be racist because Westbrook said it was.
Korver and his teammates had a big discussion about this in the locker room and not one of them can reveal anything more than what Westbrook claimed to be racist.
"Get on your knees" is now racist?
Some people are just DYING to identify "racism" (even when it doesn't exist).  I listen.

 

I also was listening (reading this thread) when Covington happened.  Anyone reading this thread could have plainly seen a couple of kneejerk reactions, but it was all over social media and in the mainstream media in full force. As is the norm, the reaction was very fast, highly accusatory and with no regard for getting all the facts.  The "smug look" was all white SJWs needed to hang the kid by his nuts.  That takes ZERO courage (even less brains) and accomplishes nothing as far as race relations go.  The native American flat out lied and it fits a pattern with him.  .A look at the whole picture with the full video and that kid did NOTHING wrong.  The group know as "Black Israelites" were by far the most confrontational.  Yet the kneejerk reaction against Nick Sandman is the kind of thing people like Korver unwittingly endorses with his manifesto.  He's going to play race cop.

 

Oh I'll listen.....
I was listening when LeBron James (with the help of scummy TMZ) revealed that a racial epitaph was scrawled on the gate of one of his mansions. LeBron then got up in front of the press all somber and drew an odd parallel to Emmett Till (the young black man brutally murdered by whites in the 1950s south for whistling at a white woman).  Couldn't LeBron have looked at the surveillance himself before he went up there to speak to a national audience?  Before Shannon Sharpe and other woke voices dominating the sports scene amplified the issue?  The funny thing is, the authorities said surveillance cameras would reveal who the perpetrator was, but we never heard thing one after that.  Could it be the perp was black and LeBron didn't want us to know?  Sort of like what happened on that campus in Kansas when a black vandal scrawled racial graffiti everywhere.  Or Jussie Smollett more recently.

 

White people need to wake up and listen, according to Korver.  Speak for yourself, white boy.  He was in the NBA 16 years and now he is listening?  That what he doesn't get.  Lots of people are listening and looking deeply into this issue (and have been for years).  Some of us actually STUDY it.  My only question is can he listen to another perspective or intelligently comment on data that might challenge his view?  His presentation was superficial and leaves me with tons of questions.  Does he have the capacity to answer a post like this?  Is he willing to have a dialogue with someone who questions him multiple times?  Do any of these woke athletes have that in them?

I say If the issue is that big they can pick the smartest representatives from the woke NFL and NBA to speak about police brutality or systemic racism in congress.  Allow them their time on the clock and let them hear the response--without talking over it or shutting it down.  Sit there and listen like you're telling me I should do.

This is something Korver and other woke athletes need to understand.  People are paying attention.  Informed, educated people are watching and there are lots of questions that don't get answered by the woke crowd.  Any kind of question, concern or fact that is presented is met with dismissiveness or hostility.

 

I posted a 22 minute video of Larry Elder completely dissecting Dave Rubin's (formerly of Young Turks) claim of systemic racism   .As a result of his encounter with Elder, he completely changed his approach with facts and assumptions he once made about system racism. Larry Elder has written books about the topic and has lived almost 60 years as a black man in America. I think he is a little more informed on the matter than Leviathan (although I am not sure he'd concede that).  Elder is a wealth of knowledge on the issue and certainly a challenge to the cadre of posters  brushing off my input.  It was not surprising that not one person could bring themselves to respond to comment on the video.  Probably because everyone refused to listen.

 

In sum, white people need to lose the superiority complex when it comes to race.  This assumption that we as white folks can solve the race problem is completely insane.  You guys want to give him an ovation, but Korver just doesn't see it.  He is projecting his "white privilege" on EVERYONE.  It is a very narrowminded perspective if you ask me.   I think he comes from an arrogant, self-serving place and there's no shortage of folks jumping on the bandwagon trying to feel good about making a gesture toward blacks, in support of this missive, like it is some kind of gift.  This is not a good gesture.  It is patronizing and arrogant and it preaches there is no real solution beyond what we could do for black people.  For me, it comes down to personal responsibilities, making the right choices, and having discipline  .What the Korver piece suggests is that those things don't matter.  Even if blacks abide by those precepts they STILL aren't going to enjoy the kind of success and peace a white person does.  That to me is utter garbage.  It validates a victim's mentality and it is, quite frankly, a means for keeping black people down.  This is why it is refreshing to me to see blacks moving away from this tired refrain. I have to say that NFL and NBA locker rooms are as bad as college campuses.  So many radical ideas that get shouted, repeated, blindly accepted and go unchallenged.  If you challenge it then they either shout you down, call you names or turn tail and fold up the tent.  Speaking to PsuedoSABR about BLM was an eye opener.  Those black women shouted down Bernie at his rally. Under no circumstance should it ever be OK for people to take the mic away from a political candidate who paid for the space and time to speak to his constituents. I would be equally as disgusted if a couple of white trash girls stepped up like that to Obama.  There is no place for that.

But because they were black, SABR ignores and talks about how it is independent thinking and Brock thanked him for it:

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/32067-privilege-and-responsibility/?p=832402
Honestly? No acknowledgment of the conduct of those women.   Do you really think they are that incapable for following basic rules of decorum that they need to get a pass for that??  Had a couple of white conservative women done that they a) would not have been given the same amount of leeway at that event and would have been ripped to shreds here (and rightly so)

 

And finally....
A five year old child was thrown from the balcony at MOA yesterday. Not a thing has been made about the race of the child or the race of the perp  If you do a little bit of clandestine searching you will find that the perp was black and the 5 year old boy clinging to life is white. Had the tables been turned this would be a top news story across the nation and the narrative from it would endure for months. This is what the media does.  This is what it is.

I simply view it as an unfortunate event, something I don't chalk up to the black race.
However, I do find it telling that the story has not gotten bigger coverage.  There will be no march for that boy.

 

All lives matter.

 

 

[Squirrel]

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/red-sox-divided-racial-lines-white-house-visit/588856/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-fb-test-954-1-&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social

 

‘Trump hasn’t made his views as overt as Johnson did, but the current president’s actions, policies, and treatment of marginalized citizens reveal a lot about his underlying attitudes. As such, Trump turned the tradition of championship teams visiting the White House into an uncomfortable experience for athletes of color—who are often asked to cast aside their identity for the comfort of their white teammates, owners, coaches, and fans.’

[MMMordabito]

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/red-sox-divided-racial-lines-white-house-visit/588856/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-fb-test-954-1-&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social

‘Trump hasn’t made his views as overt as Johnson did, but the current president’s actions, policies, and treatment of marginalized citizens reveal a lot about his underlying attitudes. As such, Trump turned the tradition of championship teams visiting the White House into an uncomfortable experience for athletes of color—who are often asked to cast aside their identity for the comfort of their white teammates, owners, coaches, and fans.’

 

I don't back everything in that article, but Trump's treatment of Puerto Rico has been downright despicable. It's one thing to want strong borders and be wary of the effects of uncontrolled mass immigration - however great or small that threat really is, but Puerto Rico is OUR PEOPLE.  With no data to back this, I'd bet that if 20% of the resources and effort to acquire resources for the stupid wall were put toward Puerto Rico restoration, they would be up and running and probably even in a substantially better place than before Maria.  From a political standpoint, and much to the chagrin of many of us who dislike him, he'd also probably have the love and backing of that whole territory.   

[KirbyDome89]

Hill makes a valid point about players having the right to opt out of making the trip if they aren't comfortable with it. Then she starts to contradict herself. White players don't owe their teammates an explanation for attending the WH anymore than the black/brown players owe their white counterparts one for abstaining. It's entirely hypocritical to push back against players receiving attention for choosing not to attend, then in the same breath claim that those who do attend need to justify their decision on top of insinuating they should be shamed into reconsidering that choice. 

[Squirrel]

 

Hill makes a valid point about players having the right to opt out of making the trip if they aren't comfortable with it. Then she starts to contradict herself. White players don't owe their teammates an explanation for attending the WH anymore than the black/brown players owe their white counterparts one for abstaining. It's entirely hypocritical to push back against players receiving attention for choosing not to attend, then in the same breath claim that those who do attend need to justify their decision on top of insinuating they should be shamed into reconsidering that choice. 

You and I did not read the same article. She is saying that many people of color have already been asked why they won't attend. And she's saying, if they are being asked why they won't attend, why aren't white players being asked why they are, given the presidents marginalization of these players teammates.

[ewen21]

 

You and I did not read the same article. She is saying that many people of color have already been asked why they won't attend. And she's saying, if they are being asked why they won't attend, why aren't white players being asked why they are, given the presidents marginalization of these players teammates.

Under his administration we have the lowest unemployment rate among blacks we've ever seen and over the last two years the incarceration rate of blacks has gone down.  He "marginalized" football players who decided they had to kneel during the National Anthem.  They actually did not have a constitutional protection to do so.  Not when they are under contract and on the clock.  The NFL was very much tied into patriotism and it was marketed as such.  My guess is that players who attend consider visiting the White House is an honor and not everyone views the president the same way.  

[KirbyDome89]

 

You and I did not read the same article. She is saying that many people of color have already been asked why they won't attend. And she's saying, if they are being asked why they won't attend, why aren't white players being asked why they are, given the presidents marginalization of these players teammates.

We did. Hill was clear she isn't a fan of those choosing not to attend being asked why or having attention draw to them. She isn't wrong, those are personal choices and the players choosing not to visit the WH don't owe anybody, teammates included, an explanation. That same treatment should extend to those who opt to make a visit, and she was unambiguous about her desire for that not to be the case. 

[PseudoSABR]

 

Under his administration we have the lowest unemployment rate among blacks we've ever seen and over the last two years the incarceration rate of blacks has gone down.  He "marginalized" football players who decided they had to kneel during the National Anthem.  They actually did not have a constitutional protection to do so.  Not when they are under contract and on the clock.  The NFL was very much tied into patriotism and it was marketed as such.  My guess is that players who attend consider visiting the White House is an honor and not everyone views the president the same way.  

The unemployment rate is a really crummy way to evaluate how people of color feel (or should feel) about the president and his policies.  Employment doesn't equal dignity.

 

And he marginalized not just the football players, but the whole reason they were kneeling, which we have another thread devoted to.

[ewen21]

The unemployment rate is a really crummy way to evaluate how people of color feel (or should feel) about the president and his policies. Employment doesn't equal dignity.

 

And he marginalized not just the football players, but the whole reason they were kneeling, which we have another thread devoted to.

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Actually I posted quite a bit about that here and no one came back for weeks

[PseudoSABR]

 

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Actually I posted quite a bit about that here and no one came back for weeks

About the unemployment rate?  

[ewen21]

SABR. I made a huge post in this thread like 4 weeks ago and it was untouched. Look back and find it. It was a response the Kyle Korver manifesto you applauded

[PseudoSABR]

 

SABR. I made a huge post in this thread like 4 weeks ago and it was untouched. Look back and find it. It was a response the Kyle Korver manifesto you applauded

I remember the huge post.  But I wasn't sure what you were directly talking about whether it was football players, police misconduct, or unemployment.  

 

As for why I ignored the long post is that I disagreed with much of it, and at that point it had become exhausting discussing issues with you.

 

Nonetheless, do you see how problematic it is to cite to the unemployment rate as how Black people should view Trump?  

[ewen21]

I remember the huge post. But I wasn't sure what you were directly talking about whether it was football players, police misconduct, or unemployment.

 

As for why I ignored the long post is that I disagreed with much of it, and at that point it had become exhausting discussing issues

I covered a lot of stuff there and it had to do with "paying attention" to what social justice black athletes are saying.

 

I cite a lot of examples and you "disagreed with much of it"

Pick two things I mentioned where I mischaracterized or misrepresented something.

 

I'm all for hearing about it from you

[PseudoSABR]

 

I covered a lot of stuff there and it had to do with "paying attention" to what social justice black athletes are saying.

I cite a lot of examples and you "disagreed with much of it"
Pick two things I mentioned where I mischaracterized or misrepresented something.

I'm all for hearing about it from you

I appreciate the engagement, but I really don't want to rehash what was discussed weeks ago.  And I wouldn't characterize you misrepresenting anything so much as there's just disagreement over an amorphous phenomenon like privilege and systemic oppression.

 

But I will ask again, do you see the problem with using unemployment as some kind of defense for Trump? And how that suggests that people of color should support him? It's similar to the "shut up and dribble" sentiment.  Just because someone is employed speaks nothing to the quality of their employment or the quality of the rest of their lives in American society.

[ewen21]

But I will ask again, do you see the problem with using unemployment as some kind of defense for Trump? And how that suggests that people of color should support him? It's similar to the "shut up and dribble" sentiment. Just because someone is employed speaks nothing to the quality of their employment or the quality of the rest of their lives in American society.

If I suggested "people of color should support him" it would be only through manner in which you interpreted my words. When I mentioned the notable decrease in unemployment and incarceration of blacks I mentioned it to contrast what was said about blacks being "marginalized"

What the heck is important?

 

The idea that calling out a group of athletes protesting during the Anthem is racist really troubles me. If they were white he'd have probably said the same damn thing. If you think he wouldn't have then you haven't been paying attention. I'm so sick and tired of the "THAT'S RACIST!" garbage that so liberally flies around these days. All it does is waste energy when you start looking for racism in everything. Russell Westbrook and that whole thing was completely ridiculous. The fan was an idiot but what Westbrook cited as being racist was truly pathetic. Some people are just dying to scream RACISM!! and it needs to be walked back in a big way.

 

And who conscripted people like LeBron, Beyoncé, Sharpton, Spike Lee and other SJW athletes, entertainers and public figures to be spokespeople for the black race? Moreover, when did white liberals become the arbiters of what blacks should and shouldn't feel?

[TheLeviathan]

 

The idea that calling out a group of athletes protesting during the Anthem is racist really troubles me. If they were white he'd have probably said the same damn thing. If you think he wouldn't have then you haven't been paying attention. I'm so sick and tired of the "THAT'S RACIST!" garbage that so liberally flies around these days. 

 

When hicks in Oregon were aiming guns at officers and members of the military....did he decry them?

 

Oh wait...he pardoned them.  

 

One singular incident is not a trend.  A trend is a trend.  Trump is vocal when it comes to disparaging minorities and apologizing for whites that do roughly the same thing.  As is most of the right in this country.

 

The left is full of hypocrisy too, but not on this particular issue.