Article: Let's Talk About Logan Forsythe

[yarnivek1972]

I definitely see your point. Having said that, I don’t think age is what his caused Forsythe to perform poorly the last two years. He was never really given the opportunity for regular playing time here in LA and he had a series of nagging injuries. I think he is actually closer to the player from Tampa Bay in 2015 and 2016 than the player in LA in 2017. I also think that Lowrie will be back in Oakland. There’s no reason they can’t contend again next year and I think they will make every effort to re-sign him. It’s always very tough to sign a free agent who is presently on a contending team that wants him back. They just have every incentive to stay where they are unless there’s a huge money difference.

 

By the way, there’s also one other possibility we haven’t discussed. Move Polanco To second base and start Adrianza at short. It’s certainly not ideal but Adrianza is a good glove man and he did hit when he was getting regular playing time. I like him better in the utility role for sure, but I think that may be the last fallback position for next year.

The Twins need to acquire at least one starting infielder. If they “fall back” to Adrianza starting, we see the 2019 version of Taylor Motter when someone inevitibly gets hurt.

[Otto von Ballpark]

What positions have they said that? Certainly not the outfield. Sano at 3B, Polanco at SS and Mauer at IB is solid, and Castro and Garver are a solid duo at C.

 

Anyway you can expand on your post with specifics? I believe if you actually put it in writing, you will see at the very most, we will have one placeholder and that is unlikely.

I think what he means is, he doesn't want to see a placeholder at any position. Which the subject of this thread (Forsythe) would represent, in his opinion.

[killertwinfan]

Nothing has changed for me.  IF we need a rental, fine, if not let him go.  Who is the real Forsythe?  He is batting .176  with 1 rbi his last nine games.  

[Mike Sixel]

 

What positions have they said that? Certainly not the outfield. Sano at 3B, Polanco at SS and Mauer at IB is solid, and Castro and Garver are a solid duo at C. 

 

Anyway you can expand on your post with specifics? I believe if you actually put it in writing, you will see at the very most, we will have one placeholder and that is unlikely.

 

they haven't at all, but people on this thread are literally doing that. So I'm not sure what point you are making here.

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

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My dream? Elvis Andrus to compete and start with new opportunity, or become a very valuable utility player. (I may be wrong, but am thinking he's a FA or possible FA). Regardless, versatility and every day, we need Escobar and another solid infielder.

FYI: The Rangers have Elvis Andrus signed through 2022 with an option for 2023.

Made me think enough that I looked it up. 

[Battle ur tail off]

I'd trade him for whatever you can get for him here this week. 

 

Look to sign or trade for a 2B or SS that has some real talent. Yes, this will cost either money or prospects. I don't want to bring back a fringe guy like Forsythe. He'd be fine as a bench piece on a 1-year deal to backup some of the infield, but that's it for me. 

Set your sights higher. I don't have a lot of faith in Gordon, so if you want to go and trade for someone younger, go ahead and do so. Then use Gordon as trade bait when needed.

[Otto von Ballpark]

FYI: The Rangers have Elvis Andrus signed through 2022 with an option for 2023.

Made me think enough that I looked it up.

Andrus can opt out this winter, but he probably won't, given his health/performance this year and a deep infield FA market. (He had done well enough in 2016-2017 to make it a possibility, though.)

[DocBauer]

The Twins need to acquire at least one starting infielder. If they “fall back” to Adrianza starting, we see the 2019 version of Taylor Motter when someone inevitibly gets hurt.

For multiple reasons, I believe Escobar is that guy, taking Machado completely out of the equation.

 

And at the risk of repeating myself, the still need someone else. Until the season is done, and everything shakes out, no, I'm not certain who that guy may be. I am NOT opposed to someone over 30 on a bounce back, or even adding a quality utility guy, or someone who hasn't lived up to expectation yet. But you need someone other than the mentioned Escobar for competition and depth. We simply can't go in to 2019 with Adrianza and nobody else while waiting for Gordon. We need depth and options. If the right guy is signed and he could actually start at 2B daily, the worst case scenario is that Escobar plays daily at 3 spots and even DH's at times.

 

NOT saying it should be Forsythe. Castro is an intriguing idea. But I wonder who else we might consider?

[DocBauer]

FYI: The Rangers have Elvis Andrus signed through 2022 with an option for 2023.

Made me think enough that I looked it up. 

Thank you for the correction. For some reason, I was under the impression he was a FA or possible non tender candidate.

[DocBauer]

How about DJ LeMatheiu of the Rockies? Free agent at year end. Will cost a pretty penny but at age 30 a 4 year deal is doable.

 

Wonder, would he cost that much? Rockies players leaving their confines and the NL concern me somewhat. Don't have career splits, but this season splits are pretty dramatic. Seemsntonhave a solid bat, OB and some pop. Seems stuck on 2B the last few season's. Could be interesting but still need to see more splits other than 2018.

[Mr. Brooks]

Wonder, would he cost that much? Rockies players leaving their confines and the NL concern me somewhat. Don't have career splits, but this season splits are pretty dramatic. Seemsntonhave a solid bat, OB and some pop. Seems stuck on 2B the last few season's. Could be interesting but still need to see more splits other than 2018.

Career:

Home: .830 OPS

Road: .683 OPS

[howieramone2]

I've always liked Starlin Castro, and wouldn't mind getting Escobar back. That said we have much more pressing issues. 

[SadMinnySportsFan]

Considering Gordon has struggled pretty bad a AAA, I'd be in favor of re-signing Forsythe to a 1 year, place holder type of deal. 2nd basement market looks pretty strong, but if the twins envision Gordon, or other internal options as the long play, makes sense to re-sign Forsythe. Especially since he'd be pretty cheap option you'd think, considering his down years with LA.

[HawkeyeDodger]

From a Dodgers fan's perspective on what caused Forsythe's decline:

 

-Always in a pitcher's count.  Rarely does he swing at the first pitch.  He looks as if he's sitting fastball middle-in until he has two strikes on him and then he's in defense mode.  It's been very frustrating to watch.

 

-No power at Chavez-Ravine.  The ball doesn't carry there at night so unless he really pulled the ball it was dying at the track.

 

-Injuries set him back to start both seasons

-This season he choked under the bright lights.

 

I watched Logan at Spring Training before the 2017 season.  He could go the other way for a base knock at will.  After getting injured, he was never right against RH pitching.  He still hit well vs lefties and drew a lot of walks.  After a nice post-season everyone thought he would return to closer what he had done in the past, but with less power and nice defense.  It didn't happen.  He defense regressed a bit too and then he was pressing.  His AB's were just plain awful and it was apparent he was choking under the bright lights because fans/media were questioning why he was on the diamond so much if he wasn't even producing against left-handers this season.  

Edited August 28, 2018 by HawkeyeDodger

[Otto von Ballpark]

-No power at Chavez-Ravine. The ball doesn't carry there at night so unless he really pulled the ball it was dying at the track.

 

Forsythe had a 78 wRC+ and .115 ISO at home with the Dodgers, and a 79 wRC+ and .076 ISO on the road.

 

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