Article: Minnesota Twins 2018 Trade Deadline Report Card

[bird]

 

I too have thought about the scouting personnel. It's possible you have a point. However, any reasonable evaluation of proficiency, practices, and personnel requires unrestricted access access and evaluation waaaaaay beyond guilt by association. You are ignoring that the new regime made some changes to the scouting department. We could not possibly know the extent or merit of those changes but very good people asked to use poor practices and managed poorly will produce less than optimal results. You also are ignoring that the new regime reorganized the metrics dept which combined with better process & practices could help significantly improve the results of the current staff.

 

I am curious because I don't know. Maybe the scouting was not the issue. Maybe it has been development. IDK but taking a hard stance on a hunch that the problem was the people instead of the methods and management while having very little information is a very poor way to reach a conclusion.

 

I've been saying this for two years.

 

Very incompetently.

[gil4]

 

He was worth more in the Twins lineup over the last two months, even at a remote chance of catching Cleveland, than the org filler they received in return.

I would add that winning a few more games would get a few more fans to the park and generate a little more revenue which could be used to improve the team next year.  I know, Pohlad, etc., whatever.  I'm pretty sure he has seen the ledger for both winning and losing and the good side of the books look better when the team wins. Giving up on the rest of the season is not revenue-neutral.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I would add that winning a few more games would get a few more fans to the park and generate a little more revenue which could be used to improve the team next year.  I know, Pohlad, etc., whatever.  I'm pretty sure he has seen the ledger for both winning and losing and the good side of the books look better when the team wins. Giving up on the rest of the season is not revenue-neutral.

 

How much more money do you think they'd make with Dozier still on the team, and let's say, winning two more games than they otherwise would, than they will now? And, will that money make any difference to their budget next year?

 

I'm guessing that it wouldn't make any difference to next year's budget, but I could be wrong.

[gil4]

 

How much more money do you think they'd make with Dozier still on the team, and let's say, winning two more games than they otherwise would, than they will now? And, will that money make any difference to their budget next year?

 

I'm guessing that it wouldn't make any difference to next year's budget, but I could be wrong.

It probably wouldn't be much, but if he went on a hot streak and a few other things fell into place, there was a shot the Twins could give the Indians a bit of competition. That could have made a bit of an impact and had some goodwill carry over to next year.

[twinfan]

Rather than break the trades all down, I'll rate the entire block as a B+. I hope we can get Escobar back and would not even pass on Lynn if nobody else will sign with us. We did get a few prospects who could make an impact in 2 years plus Austin who should help some. I believe we'll trade Rodney in August. I do not see Forsythe as being all that terrible though he is not worth the money he gets. He could be a .250+, 12-15 HR guy but will probably never play regularly for us. We still need established pitching and we do not have that right now. And when we do get a well pitched game (Gibson, Mejia), we don't hit. Right now we are lucky the division is weak but that won't last much longer. The prospects need to become more than suspects.

[Mike Sixel]

 

It probably wouldn't be much, but if he went on a hot streak and a few other things fell into place, there was a shot the Twins could give the Indians a bit of competition. That could have made a bit of an impact and had some goodwill carry over to next year.

 

Winning does increase next year's attendance. I wonder what their data tells them about marginal wins in a "lost" season. So many questions we'll never know the answer to......

[Lonestar]

 

Are we really talking or thinking Willians Astudillo has a future on the Twins? In the day and age of OBP the Twins are going to say hey lets give an roster spot to a 26 year old with a career MINOR league OBP of less than .300? 

Astudillo's career MILB OBP is .347

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=553902#/career/R/hitting/2018/ALL

 

He is hitting .286/.322/.507/.829 at AAA International League. Give him a chance to catch in the Show.

[Riverbrian]

 

Kind of what I have been saying all along.   Its not that Dozier had a huge value to us but the Dodgers were stuck with OPS+ of 53 with Forsythe.    I just have a hard time believing the Dodgers wouldn't have given up more if the Twins hadn't blinked.  IMO they needed Dozier.   In the broadcast last night the Dodger announcers kept referring to Dozier as an all star gold glover.   In one game he may have given them more value than what they gave up.    They had him batting 5th.  They had Forsythe batting 8th in front of the pitcher.    Tells you what they think of the two respectively and I just have to believe they would  have parted with more for that kind of upgrade at their only glaring weakness.

 

In my opinion, the Dodgers didn't need Dozier... they probably always liked Dozier and they are just collecting bats and depth for the stretch run and they got him cheap so they took the deal very smartly. 

 

Forsythe had already lost the job as primary 2B even before Dozier came to town. 

 

Turner was due to come back soon and he is a 3B Only. 

 

That moves Machado to primarily SS with an occasional 3B when Turner takes a turn on the bench which the Dodgers can do. 

 

That Moves Taylor from SS to 2B or OF and the Dodgers still have Kike Hernandez, Max Muncy, Chase Utley (2B Only) and catcher Austin Barnes who can play 2B. 

 

The Dodgers were hoping that Dozier would become 2nd half Dozier and were probably prepared to limit his playing time in case he didn't just like they had already did to Forsythe. 

 

Dozier will have to earn his playing time. 

 

The fact that the Dodgers got Dozier tells me that the Twins ended up with a best we could get deal and the better offers from other clubs just didn't materialize and the (2B only) market is a still a little depressed.