Buxton back on DL, Again.

[Vanimal46]

FFS. Shut it down. Shut it all down.

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Silver lining, if he doesn't return to MLB this year, we get an extra year of team control.

 

Team control over *what* is very much in question, though!

[yarnivek1972]

Buxton started the year with 2 years, 62 days service time. How much has he gotten this year? Enough to keep him pre-arb if he doesn’t come back?

[Vanimal46]

Silver lining, if he doesn't return to MLB this year, we get an extra year of team control.

 

Team control over *what* is very much in question, though!

Right? That's going to be the big question for 2019. What a shame this year has been for him.

[Vanimal46]

Buxton started the year with 2 years, 62 days service time. How much has he gotten this year? Enough to keep him pre-arb if he doesn’t come back?

Spycake is better equipped to answer this question but IIRC he was going to hit the 3 year mark if they called him up in September.

 

Just shut him down and rebuild him so he's not made out of paper mache going forward.

[yarnivek1972]

Scanning the transaction page, he was optioned out on the 2nd of July. So, that’s 95 days, give or take. Super two cut off is impossible to know for certainty until the season ends. But 2 years, +/- 150 days is likely a super 2 for sure.

[Mike Sixel]

Bench him until 100% healthy. 100%.

 

Then send him to FTM.....

[USAFChief]

 

Scanning the transaction page, he was optioned out on the 2nd of July. So, that’s 95 days, give or take. Super two cut off is impossible to know for certainty until the season ends. But 2 years, +/- 150 days is likely a super 2 for sure.

I HOPE he's eligible for arbitration. Perhaps he'll get less than the MLB minimum. 

[ewen21]

 

Buxton started the year with 2 years, 62 days service time. How much has he gotten this year? Enough to keep him pre-arb if he doesn’t come back?

The idea that this keeps him under team control longer really doesn't have a siliver lining to it anymore

[BoofBonser]

What a mishandled mess... Get him ready for the 2019 season

[IndianaTwin]

 

Spycake is better equipped to answer this question but IIRC he was going to hit the 3 year mark if they called him up in September.

Just shut him down and rebuild him so he's not made out of paper mache going forward.

 

<<edit -- mostly ninja'ed by Yarnivek>>

 

As I understand it, one collects service time if on the MLB 25-man roster or DL. I think he was on the MLB roster or DL until being optioned to Rochester on July 2. So 3 days in March, 30 in April, 31 in May, 30 in June, and 2 in July totals 95 days. At 2.062 going into the year, that would take him to 2.157. It takes 172 days to get a full year, so he would still be under 3 seasons if he's not activated. 

 

That's how I understand it, but I'm not as nerdy as my son. Almost, but not quite. No, not even close.

[Mill1634]

Shut him down please. No reason to bring him back this year. The future is much more important than a lost season. It is crucial we get him right to make a run for 2019 and beyond. 

[IndianaTwin]

And here's the Super Two cutoffs in recent years, per MLBTradeRumors:

 

2017: 2.123

2016: 2.131
2015: 2.130
2014: 2.133
2013: 2.122
2012: 2.140
2011: 2.146
2010: 2.122
2009: 2.139

 

[KirbyDome89]

 

The idea that this keeps him under team control longer really doesn't have a siliver lining to it anymore

The pessimist in me 100% agrees.......but

 

If nothing else they'll get another season to "see what they have."

[S.]

 

The pessimist in me 100% agrees.......but

 

If nothing else they'll get another season to "see what they have."

We have a guy who can't hit, can't stay healthy, and is steadily losing value on speed and defense the longer it takes him to figure things out. If he ever figures things out.

 

I am also a pessimist.

[TheLeviathan]

It's time to start expecting him to be hurt all the time.  He's brittle.

[Vanimal46]

It's time to start expecting him to be hurt all the time. He's brittle.

Yeah, we can officially pin "injury-prone" on his report card. He's not the first, and certainly not the last person with immense talent and their body continues to fail them.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Huge disappointment, injury prone for sure, but I'm not giving a pass to the front office. Buxton never should have been rehabbed after his migraines, and then should have been rehabbed after he broke his toe. Just a CF all the way around. 

[S.]

 

Yeah, we can officially pin "injury-prone" on his report card. He's not the first, and certainly not the last person with immense talent and their body continues to fail them.

Injury prone is a real bad label for a guy who currently has all of his value tied to his speed since he can't hit. One injury where he loses a step or two and his value becomes close to 0.

[howeda7]

 

Silver lining, if he doesn't return to MLB this year, we get an extra year of team control.

Team control over *what* is very much in question, though!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we were already going to control him through 2022 whether he came back this year or not?

 

Also, if this is a lingering hammate bone issue, at what point do you have it removed?

[notoriousgod71]

He makes Mauer look like an iron man.

[70charger]

 

Huge disappointment, injury prone for sure, but I'm not giving a pass to the front office. Buxton never should have been rehabbed after his migraines, and then should have been rehabbed after he broke his toe. Just a CF all the way around. 

 

He is a center fielder all the way around.

 

...wait a minute.

[bighat]

Rats. Well, let's start looking forward and see what else they might have in AA and AAA. The Twins brass should get those other young outfielders some experience at the big league level, starting next month. The Twins may have stumbled into a decent player in Cave, and I think some other young guys have earned opportunities and deserve a look.

 

I really like Buxton as a human being, seems like a great guy and it's too bad to see what's happened to his career. Hope he stays positive.

[bighat]

 

We have a guy who can't hit, can't stay healthy, and is steadily losing value on speed and defense the longer it takes him to figure things out. If he ever figures things out.

 

I am also a pessimist.

 

Yep. Lots of blame being passed around the Front Office, lots of Monday Morning Quarterbacking regarding his injuries.

 

The bottom line is that if Buxton could hit, when healthy, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Buxton appears to be a cool, humble guy that doesn't have a mean bone in his body. We can all agree on that. We should also be able to tell the truth: We may be looking at one of the biggest MLB busts over the past 30 years. Nobody wants that to be true, but we have to at least consider it might be. Buxton ain't gonna save us, and the longer fans keep believing he's the next Andrew McCutcheon, the longer it's gonna hurt.

 

"Keep Buxton safe for 2019" doesn't mean anything. Does anyone still really expect this guy to turn in a .275 batting average with 25 HRs next year? It would sure be nice, but I think we all need to lower our expectations a bit.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we were already going to control him through 2022 whether he came back this year or not?

 

 

Nope. Buxton is just under 3 years service time right now, and his clock is paused in AAA. If Buxton came back for a few more days this year, he could pass 3 years service time, then he'd only be controlled through 2021, like Sano.

 

If he stays in AAA, or on the AAA DL, the rest of the year, he will finish under 3 years and thus be controlled through 2022.

[stringer bell]

There's a Hall-of-Famer in the Twins dugout who was called injury prone. It turned out all right for him.

 

Molitor couldn't stay healthy most of his early career with the Brewers, but better fortune and the DH role got him to Cooperstown. Obviously, this version of Byron Buxton won't be a candidate to be a DH any time soon, but both reality and perception can change. The Buxton we saw the second half of last season was pretty good. If he can play like that starting next year until 2022, I'll take it.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Yep. Lots of blame being passed around the Front Office, lots of Monday Morning Quarterbacking regarding his injuries.

 

The bottom line is that if Buxton could hit, when healthy, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Buxton appears to be a cool, humble guy that doesn't have a mean bone in his body. We can all agree on that. We should also be able to tell the truth: We may be looking at one of the biggest MLB busts over the past 30 years. Nobody wants that to be true, but we have to at least consider it might be. Buxton ain't gonna save us, and the longer fans keep believing he's the next Andrew McCutcheon, the longer it's gonna hurt.

 

"Keep Buxton safe for 2019" doesn't mean anything. Does anyone still really expect this guy to turn in a .275 batting average with 25 HRs next year? It would sure be nice, but I think we all need to lower our expectations a bit.

Not next year. I think Buxton is capable of it, but agree his goal in 2019 should be to just remain healthy.

 

 

Lots of blame being passed around the Front Office, lots of Monday Morning Quarterbacking regarding his injuries

Not at all. There are threads somewhere with people disagreeing with those moves as they were happening.

 

He was in the majors for the entirely of 2017 and had a pretty damn good year turning around after a cold start. Didn't need to be optioned, didn't miss too much time hurt. Front office didn't have to do a thing except write him in the lineup. This year they thought he needed more handling, and it didn't work.

[USAFChief]

"Injury prone" is meaningless. Nobody is injury prone.

 

The migraine thing is concerning, because that can be chronic.  Crede's bad back was chronic, for example, and those kinds of things can derail a career.

 

But injuries are injuries. They happen and then they heal, or they don't. You're not more likely to break your toe again, because you fouled a ball off it and broke it once.

 

The thing that is concerning about Buxton is his ability to hit MLB pitching. THAT's concerning. 

 

 

[PseudoSABR]

Shouldn't this thread be in the minor league forum?

(kidding. kind of)

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

"Injury prone" is meaningless. Nobody is injury prone.

 

The migraine thing is concerning, because that can be chronic.  Crede's bad back was chronic, for example, and those kinds of things can derail a career.

 

But injuries are injuries. They happen and then they heal, or they don't. You're not more likely to break your toe again, because you fouled a ball off it and broke it once.

 

The thing that is concerning about Buxton is his ability to hit MLB pitching. THAT's concerning.

 

I have faith, but it's shaky