Article: MIN 2, BOS 1: Gibby the Great

[PseudoSABR]

 

To be fair, I've never said I would keep someone without knowing the alternative.  It  doesn't make any sense. 

As fan, you never will.

 

We're guessing at the return, and Chief, in his guess, suggests he'd keep Gibson.  I'm inclined to agree.  Gibson is awesome now, but his track record isn't encouraging and will effect his return.  

[Mike Sixel]

Help me out here, assuming Gibson has finally broken the code, why in the world would we want to trade him?

Because he's signed for one more year. It really depends on if you think they are contenders next year or not.

[mngopherguy]

 

Also, Wilson was great behind the plate. Hats off to Garver for that big time clutch hit and Ehire Adrianaza brilliant defensive play

 

You are not supposed to compliment Wilson, Rodney or Belisle on this forum. Shhhh.  

[TheLeviathan]

 

Sure, that's true.  But the Twins have an exclusive opportunity to extend him, not much money on the books, and a keen need for top and mid starting pitching.  There's more value in keeping then you're letting on.

 

If Gibson was a normally aged pitcher at the end of his team control I'd probably agree with you.  But an extension to a 32 year old is a major gamble right from the outset, regardless of who they are.

 

So, sure, there is value in keeping him, but I wouldn't let that stop me from aggressively shopping him.  

[mngopherguy]

 

Because he's signed for one more year. It really depends on if you think they are contenders next year or not.

 

Agreed, I don't see them as contender's next year, so I would at least listen to a trade.  Contending next year is going to take a 180 from this season.  I don't see it, especially if the payroll goes back down.  

[h2oface]

 

If Gibson was a normally aged pitcher at the end of his team control I'd probably agree with you.  But an extension to a 32 year old is a major gamble right from the outset, regardless of who they are.

 

So, sure, there is value in keeping him, but I wouldn't let that stop me from aggressively shopping him.  

 

Amazing they ever even signed Santana, then, and especially for 4 years.

[wyowib]

So if he's signed to a 4 year extension, that makes him the same age that Santana is now (or there abouts).  I'm a believer in what he's been doing, and having 2 out of 5 spots essentially locked down for the next 3-4 years (Berrios timeline) with consistent, above average-to-better pitchers, is better than we've experienced in a long, loooong, time.  I guess it comes down to whether or not people believe that a couple of the pitching prospects can make it in the next 3-4 years to fill in or, in some cases, more than just be mlb filler (romero, graterol, thorpe, gonsalves)

[h2oface]

 

Agreed, I don't see them as contender's next year, so I would at least listen to a trade.  Contending next year is going to take a 180 from this season.  I don't see it, especially if the payroll goes back down.  

 

That's too bad. Already signing your team off for next year before the previous season is even over. Some teams even still go from last to first, and this team doesn't even have that far to go, especially if healthy and progressing instead of regressing. Tell Oakland they have no right to be doing so well.

 

Nobody has said they wouldn't listen to offers. Listening is a fine and noble skill.

Edited July 27, 2018 by h2oface

[howeda7]

 

Because the trade could make the team better?  He's the best trade chip they have?

Best case return: They get a player who might one day be as good as he is right now. Pass. 

[wyowib]

Don't know why my response was separated from the op I was responding to, still new to posting (though I've been a "lurker" since this sites inception).

 

[TheLeviathan]

 

Amazing they ever even signed Santana, then, and especially for 4 years.

 

I'm just going to say that this is a poor argument.  I hope an explanation isn't necessary.

[mngopherguy]

 

So if he's signed to a 4 year extension, that makes him the same age that Santana is now (or there abouts).  I'm a believer in what he's been doing, and having 2 out of 5 spots essentially locked down for the next 3-4 years (Berrios timeline) with consistent, above average-to-better pitchers, is better than we've experienced in a long, loooong, time.  I guess it comes down to whether or not people believe that a couple of the pitching prospects can make it in the next 3-4 years to fill in or, in some cases, more than just be mlb filler (romero, graterol, thorpe, gonsalves)

 

If they extend him, I really hope they can get 2 years or if they have to 3 years.  

 

I like Romero and Graterol and think they both will be good MLB pitchers with potential to be great.  I'm on the fence on Thorpe, he is an interesting prospect.  Gonsalves could surprise, but all I here is not enough control with no plus pitches.  

[h2oface]

 

You are not supposed to compliment Wilson, Rodney or Belisle on this forum. Shhhh.  

 

And to return the compliment, you are doing pretty good yourself. 

[mngopherguy]

 

And to return the compliment, you are doing pretty good yourself. 

 

yeah, well played!

[twins_89]

Over the last calendar year Gibson has been the 20th best starting pitcher in the majors in terms of fWAR (Berrios is 17th). To even consider trading him should require a huge package coming back and I doubt that an appealing offer is out there. I'd be more than happy to sign him to a 3-year deal this off-season.

[Han Joelo]

[scrolls up to make sure he is on the right thread]

 

Wow!  What a game!  That team tonight didn't look scared, or intimidated, or lackadaisical, or any other word associated with being a loser.  I often feel like they are like the Millennium Falcon.  While often mistaken for a hunk of junk, and frequently broke down, when she's right, she's still the fastest ship in the galaxy.

 

Somebody said Berrios and Gibson could be 2/3.  They pitched like aces the last two games.  This is something you build on.

[KirbyDome89]

Why risk the extension if they have all that $$$ and "flexibility?" 

 

If he continues to pitch like this through next season then address the idea of an extension or just sign him as a FA. I guess I'm surprised that so many are comfortable extending a guy, who up until last September looked like he didn't belong on the active roster. I get that he threw a nice game tonight but...yeah...

 

IMO Gibson is still much closer to Nick Blackburn than Brad Radke, i.e. not a guy I'm dying to commit to long term, especially into his 30s. If another team is certain Gibson has truly turned a corner, and makes an offer that reflects that belief the Twins would be fools not to take it. 

[KirbyDome89]

 

I’d rather have 1.4 years of Gibson. Easily.

Which Gibson, 13'-17' or 2018? 

 

I agree that whatever the Twins get back in a trade won't have near the impact in 19' that Gibson would if he builds off of this season, but you're also taking a pretty serious leap of faith that this is the pitcher Gibson is going to be for the next 1.4 years. 

[h2oface]

 

Which Gibson, 13'-17' or 2018? 

 

I agree that whatever the Twins get back in a trade won't have near the impact in 19' that Gibson would if he builds off of this season, but you're also taking a pretty serious leap of faith that this is the pitcher Gibson is going to be for the next 1.4 years. 

 

Definitely a Gibson doubter. Diversity is a great thing.

Edited July 27, 2018 by h2oface

[wyowib]

I wouldn't be opposed to him being traded.  But as I said before, I believe in what he's doing now.  Some players have long prime years; others only have a couple.  When Gibson was drafted, he was a consensus top 15 pick (many had him in the top 10) based on talent.  He fell due to his injury and the Twins took a chance.  If he's living up to promise, then we can expect a few more years of his current production, which would be awesome for a team that hasn't had a decent rotation in over a decade.  Again, not opposed to trading him for a good return, but taking a leap-of-faith on him continuing what he's doing now has a higher probability of success than taking a leap-of-faith on another teams prospect.

[AlwaysinModeration]

13-5 over their last 18 games. Come on, boys, let’s keep it rolling.

[h2oface]

 

13-5 over their last 18 games. Come on, boys, let’s keep it rolling.

 

We just need to ignore a sweep by the next to the worst team in baseball.....

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Yeah that was an unnecessary risk by Rosario in the sixth. You can see what he was thinking but it took him too long to pop up from his slide and he was out by a good amount, even with the poor throw.

[drivlikejehu]

 

If Gibson was a normally aged pitcher at the end of his team control I'd probably agree with you.  But an extension to a 32 year old is a major gamble right from the outset, regardless of who they are.

 

So, sure, there is value in keeping him, but I wouldn't let that stop me from aggressively shopping him.  

 

Few upcoming free agent starters are significantly younger, and the Twins would get some kind of discount by assuming the risk of the extension (i.e., that Gibson doesn't pitch well in 2019). Also, the Twins have tons of near-term payroll capacity and there's zero chance they'd use it all up with free agent signings and/or extensions for guys like Berrios and Rosario.

 

The main reason I'm against trading Gibson though is 2019 . . . the Twins play in a bad division and absolutely should be able to compete. 

 

Edited July 27, 2018 by drivlikejehu

[jimbo92107]

Seems like Kyle Gibson has adopted a motion that looks almost like short-arming the ball, with an abbreviated windup of his pitching arm. Hitters have a terrible time gaging the speed as well as the type of pitch he's throwing. 

 

I don't recall seeing better stuff from Gibson. Not only were his breaking balls falling off the table, his heater was consistently on the edges of the zone the whole time. 

 

Heh-heh, it's almost like Gibson just showcased himself for the two teams he'd most like to pitch for, the Yankees and the Red Sox. 

 

Heh-heh... 

[PseudoSABR]

 

If Gibson was a normally aged pitcher at the end of his team control I'd probably agree with you.  But an extension to a 32 year old is a major gamble right from the outset, regardless of who they are.

 

So, sure, there is value in keeping him, but I wouldn't let that stop me from aggressively shopping him.  

Why not a three year deal; even with a team option for that third year.  

[TNTwinsFan]

 

Heh-heh, it's almost like Gibson just showcased himself for the two teams he'd most like to pitch for, the Yankees and the Red Sox. 

 

Heh-heh...

 

Precisely my thoughts after he finished off the 8th with that K of "Just Dingers". If we could package he and Dozier to BOS...I wonder if we could get a nice return? I know nothing of their farm system so, I have zero clue if it's even remotely something to look into. But, dreamers are gonna dream.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Bravo to Molitor letting it ride with Gibson. No one would have batted an eye if Gibby had been pulled after seven, or even the sixth.

[Mike Sixel]

Best case return: They get a player who might one day be as good as he is right now. Pass.

 

By that logic, you never trade for prospects ever. Good luck building a team.

[h2oface]

Precisely my thoughts after he finished off the 8th with that K of "Just Dingers". If we could package he and Dozier to BOS...I wonder if we could get a nice return? I know nothing of their farm system so, I have zero clue if it's even remotely something to look into. But, dreamers are gonna dream.

Boston is the only team without any top 100 prospects in the just updated list. They are pretty depleted. Perhaps the would trade Sale? He is getting so old though.....

Edited July 27, 2018 by h2oface