Article: Should the Twins shop for a shortstop this offseason?

[greengoblinrulz]

expect to get drilled on Uggla idea...but, his 2012 struggles started June 1st.

Since

80gms .163/.306/.312 36runs 12doubles 9HR 33rbi 93k 46bb 2/3 sb ...pretty bad numbers & as bad as he can get

Twins 2B all season

137gms .230/.283/.290 51runs 22doubles 2triple 1hr 42rbi 80k 37bb19/20sb

As horrible as Uggla's been, he's better than Minnesota's production, he's not the scrappy 'hit behind the runner' type Gardy must have

 

Uggla's 6 yr MLB lows

146gms .233/.311/.453(all last yr).... 84runs 22doubles 27HR 82RBI 48bb 171Ks (his high)

Twins have never had a 2B with that type of power production and those are his lows

 

Seasonal SS numbers

137gms .230/.285/.309 58runs 18doubles 2triples 6hr 48rbi 91k 38bb 12/16sb

[joeboo_22]

If the Twins didn't have such a bad track record of free agent middle infielders I'd consider it, but I look at it and think, between Dozier, Florimon, Carroll and whoever else is in the system, that going out and paying 3.5 million for another Carroll is a waste of money.

 

Generally my philosophy is the Twins should avoid spending money on bullpen arms and middle infielders because what they are willing to pay and the type they go after are very similar to those that can be found at AAA.

 

If you look at many of the Twins numbers they aren't a terrible team, then you look at the starting pitching and its ridiculous and its only somewhat leveled off because guys like DeVries and Deduno are pitching above their talent. And if Gibson is going to be capped at around 100 innings, that could cause even more problems. Walters doesn't look right, so right now the only real guarantee would be Diamond. After that you look at 7-8 guys right now and solid starter isn't anything that is said when describing them.

[greengoblinrulz]

If the Twins didn't have such a bad track record of free agent middle infielders I'd consider it, but I look at it and think, between Dozier, Florimon, Carroll and whoever else is in the system, that going out and paying 3.5 million for another Carroll is a waste of money.

 

Generally my philosophy is the Twins should avoid spending money on bullpen arms and middle infielders because what they are willing to pay and the type they go after are very similar to those that can be found at AAA.

 

If you look at many of the Twins numbers they aren't a terrible team, then you look at the starting pitching and its ridiculous and its only somewhat leveled off because guys like DeVries and Deduno are pitching above their talent. And if Gibson is going to be capped at around 100 innings, that could cause even more problems. Walters doesn't look right, so right now the only real guarantee would be Diamond. After that you look at 7-8 guys right now and solid starter isn't anything that is said when describing them.

Did anyone hear the Gibson 100 innings from Ryan??? I read it earlier & there is no way that I belive its true (misprint of 160 maybe). I heard Ryan say they wanted to get Kyle to around 70 innings THIS year (counting Instr. Lg & AFL).

Still will surprise me if its 160 as they let Liriano get to 200 the first year back. Dont know why they would change philosiphy, but they wont contend next year so its no big deal

[kab21]

I agree that SP'ing is by far the biggest need but the Twins should absolutely be looking for a MI. I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Scutaro (or MIzturis) for 1/5 + an option. He might be old but he's actually decent compared to anything the Twins have played out there. And he won't have a long deal that could hurt the twins. the problem with addressing MI is that there just isn't much out there.

[ALessKosherScott]

Should I drink a Brewery Vivant Zaison while watching football?

 

When you don't have something you really need, it becomes a very easy and rhetorical question.

[Brandon]

Texas has a CF thats going to be a free agent this offseason and Cruz will be a FA soon so is Napoli. There are several things they can use in a trade. We have lots of OF prospects. How about Arcia and Hermann and Slama for Andrus. My trade ideas may not be the best but you could use Span or Revere in a trade as well.

[The Greatest Poster Alive]

Texas has a CF thats going to be a free agent this offseason and Cruz will be a FA soon so is Napoli. There are several things they can use in a trade. We have lots of OF prospects. How about Arcia and Hermann and Slama for Andrus. My trade ideas may not be the best but you could use Span or Revere in a trade as well.

 

Slama will be a minor league free agent. I highly doubt he chooses to stay here.

[joeboo_22]

If the Twins didn't have such a bad track record of free agent middle infielders I'd consider it, but I look at it and think, between Dozier, Florimon, Carroll and whoever else is in the system, that going out and paying 3.5 million for another Carroll is a waste of money.

 

Generally my philosophy is the Twins should avoid spending money on bullpen arms and middle infielders because what they are willing to pay and the type they go after are very similar to those that can be found at AAA.

 

If you look at many of the Twins numbers they aren't a terrible team, then you look at the starting pitching and its ridiculous and its only somewhat leveled off because guys like DeVries and Deduno are pitching above their talent. And if Gibson is going to be capped at around 100 innings, that could cause even more problems. Walters doesn't look right, so right now the only real guarantee would be Diamond. After that you look at 7-8 guys right now and solid starter isn't anything that is said when describing them.

Did anyone hear the Gibson 100 innings from Ryan??? I read it earlier & there is no way that I belive its true (misprint of 160 maybe). I heard Ryan say they wanted to get Kyle to around 70 innings THIS year (counting Instr. Lg & AFL).

Still will surprise me if its 160 as they let Liriano get to 200 the first year back. Dont know why they would change philosiphy, but they wont contend next year so its no big deal

 

On the radio he said (or the assistant gm) 20-25% increase from this year to next year. that would put it right around 100IP if he gets to that 70IP area. That is why they are sending him to instructional ball, and the Arizona Fall League.

[joeboo_22]

Texas has a CF thats going to be a free agent this offseason and Cruz will be a FA soon so is Napoli. There are several things they can use in a trade. We have lots of OF prospects. How about Arcia and Hermann and Slama for Andrus. My trade ideas may not be the best but you could use Span or Revere in a trade as well.

 

Slama will be a minor league free agent. I highly doubt he chooses to stay here.

 

I don't think he is, not until next year, but he will be rule 5 draft eligible.

[greengoblinrulz]

If the Twins didn't have such a bad track record of free agent middle infielders I'd consider it, but I look at it and think, between Dozier, Florimon, Carroll and whoever else is in the system, that going out and paying 3.5 million for another Carroll is a waste of money.

 

Generally my philosophy is the Twins should avoid spending money on bullpen arms and middle infielders because what they are willing to pay and the type they go after are very similar to those that can be found at AAA.

 

If you look at many of the Twins numbers they aren't a terrible team, then you look at the starting pitching and its ridiculous and its only somewhat leveled off because guys like DeVries and Deduno are pitching above their talent. And if Gibson is going to be capped at around 100 innings, that could cause even more problems. Walters doesn't look right, so right now the only real guarantee would be Diamond. After that you look at 7-8 guys right now and solid starter isn't anything that is said when describing them.

Did anyone hear the Gibson 100 innings from Ryan??? I read it earlier & there is no way that I belive its true (misprint of 160 maybe). I heard Ryan say they wanted to get Kyle to around 70 innings THIS year (counting Instr. Lg & AFL).

Still will surprise me if its 160 as they let Liriano get to 200 the first year back. Dont know why they would change philosiphy, but they wont contend next year so its no big deal

 

On the radio he said (or the assistant gm) 20-25% increase from this year to next year. that would put it right around 100IP if he gets to that 70IP area. That is why they are sending him to instructional ball, and the Arizona Fall League.

they use the 20/25% rule on minor league pitchers & relievers transfering to starters....but if they do this with Gibson, they will finally show everyone else how incompetant the front office/medical staff truly is. Wash is getting heat by bein conservative with Stras by only letting him get back to 170innings. Never heard of a team limiting a starter to that few innings after the surgery IF they are gonna start him.

[Paul]

Short answer...yes. I'm a firm believer in the "strong up the middle" mantra. And I know firsthand how a lockdown confident SS (Hardy)contributes far far more to the team than the stats might indicate. If the Rangers can be motivated to put Andrus in play I feel the Twins should pay whatever the market demands.

 

This should probably be posted with its own heading in a blog post or other such thing, but I don't know how to do that on here, so I'd like to take this opportunity and express my gratitude to the TD proprietors and all the commenters. The last 2 years the Twins relevance to my life has dropped quite a bit. I watched maybe 20 games last year and went to just a few. This year I don't think I've watched 6 on TV and have been to 2. I don't believe I'm unique in this. The little baseball info I seek I get from the MLB network supplemented by what I get here. The depth of understanding and general intelligence level of the writers and commenters on the site is far supeior to any other place I know of. And I thank you all.

[mgraves]

The Twins have to many options at ss already, what will you do with them if not given a chance to play, The Twins young SP have look

good, maybe a vet like Guthrie and or Liriaro is all they need.

 

Since Liriano has been pitching for Chicago, his ERA is 5.09 (ERA+ 86), his K:BB ratio is 1.56:1, he's averaging five innings a start, and has a WHIP of 1.648. That is terrible.

 

Liriano's last two years have set him up for a buy-low, incentive laden, one year contract. He's someone you take a flyer on to fill out a rotation when you've got four established starters (or your rotation is terrible and you're willing to pray he can eat some innings), and you want a low-risk contract, possibly high reward performance. Liriano is not a sure thing. He's had two good years (half of 2006 and half of 2008, and 2010) in his six year major league career.

 

If you're under the impression that a back end starter like Guthrie or Liriano is going to turn around the starting staff, then you're mildly delusion, to put it mildly.

[Brock Beauchamp]

This should probably be posted with its own heading in a blog post or other such thing, but I don't know how to do that on here, so I'd like to take this opportunity and express my gratitude to the TD proprietors and all the commenters. The last 2 years the Twins relevance to my life has dropped quite a bit. I watched maybe 20 games last year and went to just a few. This year I don't think I've watched 6 on TV and have been to 2. I don't believe I'm unique in this. The little baseball info I seek I get from the MLB network supplemented by what I get here. The depth of understanding and general intelligence level of the writers and commenters on the site is far supeior to any other place I know of. And I thank you all.

 

Glad you enjoy the site. As a former California native, I know how it feels to be completely removed from your favorite baseball team. It's great to have sites like this one to find information that even local radio and television doesn't cover in any kind of meaningful fashion.

[TheLeviathan]

Since Liriano has been pitching for Chicago, his ERA is 5.09 (ERA+ 86), his K:BB ratio is 1.56:1, he's averaging five innings a start, and has a WHIP of 1.648. That is terrible.

 

[insanity] Yeah but he's an ACE!!!!! Lock him up for 3/30!!!! [/ insanity]