Twins 2018 Midseason Report - Where Did All the Wins Go? (p2/2)

[laloesch]

yeah, there will be some sub-standard competition. But there's still plenty of good competition in September. I wouldn't rely on people feasting on September only, but not ignore it either.

 

Buxton shouldn't be discounted at this point.

But he shouldn't be counted on either just like Sano. Either produce or not but at some point they (the Twins) are gonna have to make hard decisions and move on to Plan B.

[Vanimal46]

But he shouldn't be counted on either just like Sano. Either produce or not but at some point they (the Twins) are gonna have to make hard decisions and move on to Plan B.

Agreed. If they head into next year thinking Sano and Buxton are still going to develop into stars they're doing everyone a disservice.

 

2019 is a big year. My patience has run dry on both of them. Either they produce or the Twins need to move on.

[laloesch]

Agreed. If they head into next year thinking Sano and Buxton are still going to develop into stars they're doing everyone a disservice.

2019 is a big year. My patience has run dry on both of them. Either they produce or the Twins need to move on.

Yes, i am not giving up yet but the Twins can't afford another lost season (2019) from Sano and Buxton. Those two need to do some serious work between now and next spring. And here i thought the upcoming pitching prospects would be too late to help the young core (Sano, Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Polanco, Gordon, etc.) before they reached free agency. Now that looks like it might not be the case.

[mrmpls]

Very good post-- Thank You!

[OldTimeTwinkie]

last year Rowson fought for Buxton not to be sent down when he was struggling. he really believed in him and it payed off. How could he not do the same this year with both Sano and Buxton. why have him as a hitting coach then. something is wrong somewhere with this staff, front office.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I don't disagree with anything you posted in any way, but I remember from a few years back when we had that red hot May, that people were able to pull up some sequencing numbers to show just how lucky we had been in that stretch. I was more or less curious what picture those stats show.

BaseRuns? They have us at 36-47 this season.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=BaseRuns

[gunnarthor]

 

last year Rowson fought for Buxton not to be sent down when he was struggling. he really believed in him and it payed off. How could he not do the same this year with both Sano and Buxton. why have him as a hitting coach then. something is wrong somewhere with this staff, front office.

Yeah, I'm not sure but it might have something to do with service time? I think if he stays down all year, the Twins get another year of control on him and the FO might be thinking along those lines at this point.

[Riverbrian]

Insurance - Get some

 

This organization has to stop working without a safety net. 

 

How many years in a row have we turned to Hicks and then Buxton only to have them struggle and then be forced to turn to Mastroianni types. 

 

My perspective on Buxton and my desperation and hopes toward Buxton changed, the very second I thought to myself, bring a decent 4th OF in case he fails. I don't worry about him nearly as much then. 

 

Buxton crumbling before our eyes is much worse because Grossman isn't a good insurance policy. I'm hoping this organization stops making the same mistake over and over again. 

 

Thinking to yourself, We got Buxton... We are covered. Is an example of the worst possible planning that I can imagine. 

 

Get Insurance and let Buxton develop like Hicks eventually did. Provide a safety net... BUT... this time... Don't trade him off when he finally starts to show something. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Yeah, I'm not sure but it might have something to do with service time? I think if he stays down all year, the Twins get another year of control on him and the FO might be thinking along those lines at this point.

Maybe, but they actually demoted Sano a couple days late for that. Not sure why they wouldn't try it with him too? Unless they think he will be back in September regardless.

 

Buxton is only 13 days shy of 3 full years service now too, so if they recall him even after the minor league seasons ends in September, he will make it to 3 years.

 

Crazy to think we may have only 3 years control left on those two guys.

[Riverbrian]

Maybe, but they actually demoted Sano a couple days late for that. Not sure why they wouldn't try it with him too? Unless they think he will be back in September regardless.

 

Buxton is only 13 days shy of 3 full years service now too, so if they recall him even after the minor league seasons ends in September, he will make it to 3 years.

 

Crazy to think we may have only 3 years control left on those two guys.

Yep... by the time he figures it out. Off to Free Agency he goes.

 

It’s a big reason why they don’t rush prospects up. You can end up eating a lot of years of control with the fuzzy end of the lollipop.