Mets are about to blow everything up

[Mike Sixel]

Milwaukee has a history of making big bold moves for a small market team. I was always jealous that they were willing to get big time arms like Sabathia and Greinke when the Twins were heartbreakingly reluctant.

Ditto. I had hoped this new front office would be different, but they seem to be all about efficiency. That's important, but so is striking.

[KirbyDome89]

 

Ditto. I had hoped this new front office would be different, but they seem to be all about efficiency. That's important, but so is striking.

To this point I don't think it's unfair to say that the conservative approach, which was often criticized, has been rather generously labeled as efficient under the new FO. 

[old nurse]

 

 

Milwaukee has a history of making big bold moves for a small market team. I was always jealous that they were willing to get big time arms like Sabathia and Greinke when the Twins were heartbreakingly reluctant.

It did not get them a championship nor out of the first round of the playoffs. . Sabathia cost them Brantley. They survived that. Greinke for a year meant they traded Cain and Escobar for Segura. They have been in rebuilding mode ever since.  If it works, great. If not, the manager loses his job and the GM continues on.

[Mike Sixel]

It did not get them a championship nor out of the first round of the playoffs. . Sabathia cost them Brantley. They survived that. Greinke for a year meant they traded Cain and Escobar for Segura. They have been in rebuilding mode ever since. If it works, great. If not, the manager loses his job and the GM continues on.

They tried. I'd rather my team try. Way more excitement. For me anyway

[old nurse]

 

They tried. I'd rather my team try. Way more excitement. For me anyway

Oh boy, new toys!!!!!  A big name can't fill a hole in the Titanic

[Platoon]

If you want to trade assets/prospects for one of these two, or anyone else for that matter you have to deal from an excess of talent in a position or two. Sort of like when we were trading center fielders like bubble gum cards. But in what postion do the Twins have an excess of high end tradeable talent? There's a few, but we are going to need most of them ourselves. One SP does not this club fix.

[Vanimal46]

If you want to trade assets/prospects for one of these two, or anyone else for that matter you have to deal from an excess of talent in a position or two. Sort of like when we were trading center fielders like bubble gum cards. But in what postion do the Twins have an excess of high end tradeable talent? There's a few, but we are going to need most of them ourselves. One SP does not this club fix.

Our excess is at SS in the low minors. No one is saying that one SP will make the team a playoff favorite... DeGrom and Syndergaard are real difference makers and should be considered if the goal is to be competitive in 2019-2020.

[Mike Sixel]

Oh boy, new toys!!!!! A big name can't fill a hole in the Titanic

Nice. I have no idea what that last sentence means.

[Mike Sixel]

If you want to trade assets/prospects for one of these two, or anyone else for that matter you have to deal from an excess of talent in a position or two. Sort of like when we were trading center fielders like bubble gum cards. But in what postion do the Twins have an excess of high end tradeable talent? There's a few, but we are going to need most of them ourselves. One SP does not this club fix.

If you never make trades until one player fixes everything, you never make trades. No one is saying they are one player away. No one.

[Platoon]

Our excess is at SS in the low minors. No one is saying that one SP will make the team a playoff favorite... DeGrom and Syndergaard are real difference makers and should be considered if the goal is to be competitive in 2019-2020.

"low minors" Sadly the operative phrase in this sentence. There is no doubt the Mets have some nice arms available, but our needs are so extensive that throwing everything at one SP, no matter how good won't solve this. As a simple example who is going to catch the new pitcher. We don't even have a MLB capable catcher. Maybe some current players will step up and make an excess for us in the future, but they ain't exactly rushing to the forefront.

[FlauerPauer]

Why do people think we don't have the chips to pull of a trade for one of these guys? From what I have read our farm system is a consensus top 7 or 8 system. Is this incorrect information? I understand we don't have top tier MLB ready talent, but talent is talent and I'm sure the Twins have some players the Mets would be interested in. Maybe they can return a favor for the Santana deal that definitely sucked for the Twins, lol...

[Thrylos]

Syndergaard 25 years old - this plus 2 seasons of control, and is out with a hand injury this season

 

deGrom 30 years old - this plus 1 more seasons of control.

 

Totally different value.  Also Syndergaard is not close to Sale as far as value is concerned.

 

As far as the Twins go, if they were to get after either one, it will have to be a trade and extend situation.  Also their rotation is already full, and about to become fuller in 2019, so any trade will have to include at least one pitcher currently in the Twins rotation going to the Mets.

Given this, I'd probably dangle Odorizzi (who is younger than deGrom) and Gordon for deGrom only if he agrees to a 2-year extension, to and including his age 33 season.

 

Adding Buxton to Odorizzi and Gordon, and another top rated prospect like Kiriloff (how many more LH OF/1B do the Twins need?) will probably net Syndergaard, but he would need a 3 year extension to his age 30 season.  The Twins need an ace more than a gold platinum glove centerfielder at this point

 

The Twins do have the resources to make it happen.  On the other hand, I don't think that deGrom or (esp.) Syndergaard will agree to a contract extension.   They do need an ace in 2019, but the rotation will be the least of their problems...

[Thrylos]

 

I would say, though, the Twins may be in pretty good shape next year, from a pitching standpoint, with Berrios, Romero, Gibson and Odorizzi. The last arm in the rotation is probably at Triple A this year.

 

The bullpen can probably be rounded out from the minors also.

 

Which leaves the bats to worry about. 

 

Hard for me to look think of someone like DeGrom as a game changer when it looks like the Twins need more than a game changer arm.

 

I agree in most aspects. 

 

The rotation in 2019 will have:

 

Gibson, Odorizzi, Mejia, and May without options

Berrios, Romero, Pineda and others who have not yet been in the majors with options.

 

If anything, it is overloaded, but it is also missing an ace.  And only one of the above names is a LHP.

So addition by subtraction plus an ace would help in 2019.  The Twins rotation is 8th in the AL in ERA, and 9th in FIP in the AL in 2018, so there is yet room for improvement, even though it has improved from last season.

 

On the other hand, the bullpen has a negative WPA, so there is much room for improvement in 2019 and unfortunately it looks like it has to come outside the organization again.

 

The bats have been 11th in wOBA and 12th in wRC+ in the AL this season, but there is clear room for improvement within the organization (Buxton, Kepler, Polanco, Rooker, Sano) as well as attitude adjustment in the clubhouse with the insertion of veterans who are used to winning.  A hatred towards losing is what is lacking with the bats right now, plus the injuries/setbacks.

 

With Dozier, Lynn, Morrison, Santana, Rodney, and Mauer gone in 2019 the Twins will have $75 million to make it happen, so they can be in good shape.

 

 

[Vanimal46]

[nicksaviking]

With his age and years of control he always seemed like a guy more likely flipped in the off season when more teams would be interested in trading for him.

[terrydactyls]

I would like to approach this from a completely dfferent perspective. If both Mets' pitchers get traded to contenders, maybe that would drive up the trade value of Lynn, Odorizzi, Santana, and Gibson. Teams competing against the teams that acquire DeGrom and Syndegaard may become more desparate to acquire more starting pitching. And before the villagers take up their pitchforks and storm the front office, let's see what happens in the next month.

[jun]

 

I agree in most aspects. 

 

The rotation in 2019 will have:

 

Gibson, Odorizzi, Mejia, and May without options

Berrios, Romero, Pineda and others who have not yet been in the majors with options.

 

If anything, it is overloaded, but it is also missing an ace.  And only one of the above names is a LHP.

So addition by subtraction plus an ace would help in 2019.  The Twins rotation is 8th in the AL in ERA, and 9th in FIP in the AL in 2018, so there is yet room for improvement, even though it has improved from last season.

 

On the other hand, the bullpen has a negative WPA, so there is much room for improvement in 2019 and unfortunately it looks like it has to come outside the organization again.

 

The bats have been 11th in wOBA and 12th in wRC+ in the AL this season, but there is clear room for improvement within the organization (Buxton, Kepler, Polanco, Rooker, Sano) as well as attitude adjustment in the clubhouse with the insertion of veterans who are used to winning.  A hatred towards losing is what is lacking with the bats right now, plus the injuries/setbacks.

 

With Dozier, Lynn, Morrison, Santana, Rodney, and Mauer gone in 2019 the Twins will have $75 million to make it happen, so they can be in good shape.

May is going to be a reliever I think. I would like to see the FO bring back Escobar and Mauer for what they are worth.

[jkcarew]

The cost being thrown around in this thread (Syndergaard)...IMO, is the kind of cost only justifiable for a solid contending team that just needs one stud to put them over the top. And I’m not talking about a division title. Is that the 2019 Twins? And if it is (it’s not)...is your biggest spend of prospect assets going to be on a SP?What about C, 1B, DH, 3B (if Sano is your answer for 1B), RP, maybe a right-handed outfielder that can hit a baseball, etc, etc.