Mets are about to blow everything up

[Vanimal46]

DeGrom and Syndergaard are on the trade block.

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-sports-ricco-mets-deadline-pitchers-ackert-20180627-story.html

 

Where do you think they land?

[MangLitch]

I would be willing to give up just about everything to grab Thor. Within reason I guess. 

 

Having a top line of Thor, Berrios, Romero plus Graterol, Thorpe, Gonzo, Stewart, Enlow coming through the pipeline would have great odds of having a top rotation for a long time. Some of these guys would likely have to be in the package, but main point is we would have the top 2 figured out with some really good options as 3,4,5.... 

 

But do we have enough to get him, I am not sure. They would likely want some real high end talent and we dont have a top 20 type of guy, unless someone has really jumped up this year. 

 

 

[bighat]

Maybe the Twins throw a curveball and send Sano and Buxton to the Mets for one of those guys. Wouldn't that be sumthin?

[FlauerPauer]

Lavine/Falvey should be on the phone with the Mets right now starting a package with Lewis to land Syndergaard. Dude is a stud and well worth Royce Lewis.

[NapoleonComplex]

I really don't think we have the chips to land either one. Mets will definitely want young, controllable, Ace starter potential guys like Graterol and/or Romero. That's where the package starts. I could see them demanding Lewis, Graterol, and a controllable asset on the roster like Rosario or Kepler ... plus another top 30 prospect.

 

We have a quality farm system, but in my opinion, with the way the big club is playing now and for the near future, we can't afford to trade away assets that could swing the pendulum in 2020 and beyond.

[MangLitch]

 

I really don't think we have the chips to land either one. Mets will definitely want young, controllable, Ace starter potential guys like Graterol and/or Romero. That's where the package starts. I could see them demanding Lewis, Graterol, and a controllable asset on the roster like Rosario or Kepler ... plus another top 30 prospect.

 

We have a quality farm system, but in my opinion, with the way the big club is playing now and for the near future, we can't afford to trade away assets that could swing the pendulum in 2020 and beyond.

Ya I would agree, but I would be willing to part with just about anything.

 

To answer the question, Sale was traded when he had one year left on his deal I believe and he commanded the number 1, 20ish, and a top 10 sox prospect plus another top 20. 

 

Syndergaard has 3 years of control left, so I would have to believe that the package will be bigger. 

 

Braves have two top ten guys that could lure the mets into a trade. Being a surprise contender, could they try to make a splash with Acuna and Soroka...

 

Houston has two top 10 guys in Tucker and Whitley.... If they pull this off its over Johnny... no one is going to be able to compete with that power 4 in a playoff setting. 

 

Yankees are always in consideration but they arent giving up their young MLB talent.... which I would for Syndergaard. 

 

Twins could give up Lewis, romero/graterol, Krilloff/Gordon plus one or two top 20.... Its a heavy price but I think you have to entertain it and then be agressive in free agency to pull off a dramatic improvement. It will hurt the prospect centric crowd but man would that be a rotation to watch at the top. 

 

 

[Squirrel]

Yeah, I don't think we have it takes to get Syndergaard, or rather, I don't think we give up what it would take to get Syndergaard. I bet the Yankees do, though. And they plan on buying on the FA market in the off-season so they'll be set for a while.

 

We will say we tried, and we probably will try, but with offers that aren't even close to getting it done. And we'll get nothing.

[Vanimal46]

Even though this season couldn't go worse for the Twins, it's worth a phone call to find out what it would take to acquire one of them.

 

Both are absolute game changers as SP.

[Blake]

 

Even though this season couldn't go worse for the Twins, it's worth a phone call to find out what it would take to acquire one of them.

Both are absolute game changers as SP.

The Twins have arguably gotten the starting pitching they need in order to compete this year. Bringing in more arms will not solve the problems with the bats.

[Vanimal46]

The Twins have arguably gotten the starting pitching they need in order to compete this year. Bringing in more arms will not solve the problems with the bats.

The pitching is fine this year. But not even Berrios is as talented as DeGrom or Thor. Either of them would be game changers for the franchise.

[Monkeypaws]

Syndergaard is only 25 - can't imaging why the Mets would even consider trading him. Still young enough to be part of a quick rebuild.

[Vanimal46]

Syndergaard is only 25 - can't imaging why the Mets would even consider trading him. Still young enough to be part of a quick rebuild.

Because their team is a mess and he's their best trade asset.

[Squirrel]

 

The Twins have arguably gotten the starting pitching they need in order to compete this year. Bringing in more arms will not solve the problems with the bats.

Yeah, the pitching has been ... competitive ... this year. Which to me is saying it's been okay. It hasn't been our problem and what is our problem no one thought it would be our problem. If you have a chance to upgrade with one of those? I'd do it. Lynn is only on a one-year deal. Who knows really where Erv will be. While we have AAA depth, will all of them be plus starters in the majors? That said, we won't go after either of them.

[Blackjack]

I don't like the idea of trading many good players for one great player, if that great player gets hurt, then what do you have??  A losing team. Think Timberpuppies and Jimmy Butler. I'd rather see them get that superstar player via free agency. 

[TheLeviathan]

I would bet Houston gets one of the pitchers. 

[Respy]

We certainly don't have the farm system to afford Syndergaard, and DeGrom is 30 and only controllable through 2020.  If the Twins were in solid contention this year, DeGrom would be worth considering.  If the Twins are looking to 2019 and beyond, DeGrom is not a piece of that puzzle.

 

Syndergaard is younger and has way more potential, so I think the Mets will hold him.  DeGrom has as high of a value now as he'll ever have and he's 30.  I think they only mentioned Syndergaard because now teams can approach them about Syndergaard offering Prospect Package X, the Mets will say 'No thanks, but how about Prospect Package X for DeGrom' and I think they'll get more in return this way.  DeGrom will likely go to the Dodgers, Braves, Phillies, or Yankees and I predict he'll go to the Yankees.

[Respy]

 

I would bet Houston gets one of the pitchers. 

 

Houston already has 5 elite starters, barring an injury.

[Mike Sixel]

Milwaukee or Atlanta or Philly or the Yankees..... Or not traded.... Those are my guesses.

[ashbury]

Maybe the Twins throw a curveball and send Sano and Buxton to the Mets for one of those guys. Wouldn't that be sumthin?

Those two players have team control for the same amount of time as Syndergaard. If the Mets are poised to trade the latter, it's for talent that hasn't consumed much if any service time.

[awinter]

Let's not forget about Syndergaard's injury history. He's hurt right now and missed most of last season. I'm not saying I wouldn't want him, but his injuries bring down the asking price (especially if his current injury persists).

[Blake]

 

Yeah, the pitching has been ... competitive ... this year. Which to me is saying it's been okay. It hasn't been our problem and what is our problem no one thought it would be our problem. If you have a chance to upgrade with one of those? I'd do it. Lynn is only on a one-year deal. Who knows really where Erv will be. While we have AAA depth, will all of them be plus starters in the majors? That said, we won't go after either of them.

Good point regarding pitching because, yeah, I'm thinking just this year. However, as I think about it, unless the bats are addressed, I'm not sure how starting pitching will help down the road, either.

 

I would say, though, the Twins may be in pretty good shape next year, from a pitching standpoint, with Berrios, Romero, Gibson and Odorizzi. The last arm in the rotation is probably at Triple A this year.

 

The bullpen can probably be rounded out from the minors also.

 

Which leaves the bats to worry about. 

 

Hard for me to look think of someone like DeGrom as a game changer when it looks like the Twins need more than a game changer arm.

[KirbyDome89]

 

Maybe the Twins throw a curveball and send Sano and Buxton to the Mets for one of those guys. Wouldn't that be sumthin?

Six months ago you would've been crazy for suggesting it. Now, eh, it sadly makes sense. 

 

I'm not sure I'd give up both yet, but if 1+ prospects starts a serious conversation for Syndergaard I'm not sure how the Twins don't pursue it. Honestly though, NY might see Buxton/Sano as even more damaged than Twins fans.

[Blake]

 

The pitching is fine this year. But not even Berrios is as talented as DeGrom or Thor. Either of them would be game changers for the franchise.

As I mentioned to Carole, I would argue the Twins are set up pretty well next year, with Berrios, Romero, Gibson and Odorizzi and an arm to be named later from Triple A.

 

If I thought a big name arm would be a difference maker, I'd say go for it.

 

However, the position players seem to have some issues and that indicates there are problems beyond just bringing in an arm.

[awinter]

I actually think deGrom could command the better return out of the two and I think I'd rather have him on my team. He's been very good throughout his career, has a climbing K/9 rate the last few years and he's much more durable than Syndergaard.

[KirbyDome89]

 

Milwaukee or Atlanta or Philly or the Yankees..... Or not traded.... Those are my guesses.

+1 for Milwaukee as a dark horse. They aren't talked about enough. They are what the Twins should be right now.  

[Mike Sixel]

+1 for Milwaukee as a dark horse. They aren't talked about enough. They are what the Twins should be right now.

Yup. Their front office seems to be right a lot. And they're not taking half steps.

[Vanimal46]

+1 for Milwaukee as a dark horse. They aren't talked about enough. They are what the Twins should be right now.

Their rebuild is envious. Started 2-3 years after the Twins... The rebuild/not really a rebuild still haunts us to this day.

[KirbyDome89]

 

Their rebuild is envious. Started 2-3 years after the Twins... The rebuild/not really a rebuild still haunts us to this day.

100%

 

It's hard to watch some of the faster rebuilds already having great success. The Twins are certainly pushing the boundaries of how old a team can be before they're no longer "rebuilding."

[nicksaviking]

 

+1 for Milwaukee as a dark horse. They aren't talked about enough. They are what the Twins should be right now.  

 

Milwaukee has a history of making big bold moves for a small market team. I was always jealous that they were willing to get big time arms like Sabathia and Greinke when the Twins were heartbreakingly reluctant.

[Rosterman]

At this point, the Twins will have to fast-track their own prospects, and any guys you would give up in trade for a mainline player are ones that another team feels will have major league potential. So if that is the case, keep the guys yourself for your own rebuilding.

 

Right now, the Twins have too many holes...everywhere except in the pitching department. They have at least a half-dozen starting pitchers with great potential to come onboard in 2019 and 2020. 

 

But they have no catcher in the works until 2021/22. First base is a void (or DH) unless you move Sano to one or the other. 2B will be changing in the next year. 3B could be in play. The outfield is in construction and might need a reboot.

 

The bullpen has lots of potential arms for 2019 and 2020. And, as we saw this season, you can spend, say, $20 million and get some replacement outs.

 

Our we looking to compete in 2020 or 2021?

 

Sure, we were looking at competing in 2018. Remember, we just did fine last season. Yes, if the Twins could've replicated THAT 2017 season, we would probably be in first place, since we did vamp up the rotation and lineup and bullpen. But baseball is a strange games of 1-run losses, things not synching at the right time.

 

Hummm, maybe IT IS the filed manager and coaching staff that needs to revamped, too.

 

CONGRATS to Pick Anderson for being anointed the new Tigers pitching coach, by the way!