Game Thread 4/11/2018 Twins vs Astros 12:10pm CDT

[USAFChief]

What happens if Hildenberger struggles in that spot and hou have already used Reed?

Still simple?

Then you tip your hat to Molitor for using his pieces correctly, and place the blame where it belongs.

 

As it was, you have two issues.

[Circus Boy]

With that home run, Kepler has been crowned The Sausage King of the Twin Cities.

[Darius]

Interesting stat from today's game: Eddie Rosario saw the most pitches on the team today, with 24 in 4 ABs (5 PAs).

[Dantes929]

 

Rodeny got the win? hahahahahahaha. win stat has meaning. hahahahaha

Well, an error ruined his save and I will give him some credit.   He limited the damage.   This is from a guy that did not like the Rodney signing at all.   My high school coach used to preach about not knowing how many runs it takes to win so to treat them all as important (all 8 were really important in the 4th).  Rodney kept it at a tie which maybe shouldn't result in a win for him but it ain't nothing.   

[nicksaviking]

 

I like Hildenburger still.

 

However, he is on the precipice of becoming "The Hindenburg" with a few Twins fans I know

 

I think Hildenberger still has a chance at being a decent pitcher, but not like he's doing it now. 

 

He reminds me of Tyler Duffey in that they were very unheralded prospects who got to the big leagues and had early success due to a bit of a gimmick. Being "just" a side-armer doesn't look like it's going to work going forward, he's going to have to get better at locating his pitches for sure and improve his movement and velocity if possible.

[yarnivek1972]

Yes, because you don't know if that will happen, or not. But, you do 100% know you have the bases loaded, and a great pitcher availalbe at that point. What happens later is 100% no relevant to the decision.

Wow. Pretty sure zero managers think that way. Nor should they in a regular season game.

[gocgo]

 

I like Hildenburger still.

 

However, he is on the precipice of becoming "The Hindenburg" with a few Twins fans I know

It's kind of crazy because if you just look at his numbers, they don't look that bad.  ERA under 4, reasonable WHIP, less than a hit per inning, etc.   It really doesn't look like he's been bad.  However, when you drill down and also give it the eyeball test, guys are taking healthy cuts against him that I didn't see last year.  When you haven't prevented a single inherited runner (7 out of 7) from scoring, you are letting your teammates down.  Those 7 runs are on someone else's stats.  I would like to see him get on track in AAA and give someone else the opportunity.

[Ultima Ratio]

Long overdue, but we really need a "politely disagree" button at the ready.

[D. Hocking]

Despite the ugliness of the game, it is still nice to say the won the series against the Astros.

[yarnivek1972]

I think Hildenberger still has a chance at being a decent pitcher, but not like he's doing it now.

 

He reminds me of Tyler Duffey in that they were very unheralded prospects who got to the big leagues and had early success due to a bit of a gimmick. Being "just" a side-armer doesn't look like it's going to work going forward, he's going to have to get better at locating his pitches for sure and improve his movement and velocity if possible.

As I said elsewhere, you really don’t know if he’s the next Pat Neshek or the next Mike Nakamura. He’s earned some more rope based on last year, but his role needs to be swapped with Pressly getting higher leverage for now. Definitely skating on thin ice as far as remaining on the roster. Note: it really wouldn’t be a question of him staying rostered if Moya and Kinley were not on the roster. Hildenberger can provide length. He may be suited to mop up duty for now.

[GP830]

 

With that home run, Kepler has been crowned The Bratwurst King of the Twin Cities.

FTFY

[Mike Sixel]

 

Wow. Pretty sure zero managers think that way. Nor should they in a regular season game.

 

wanna take that bet?

 

And, yes, the math is really simple on this. 

 

clearly, you don't agree, so I guess we're done with this line. But, search the internet and you might be surprised at the correct decision here.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Well, we were going to have to score to win anyway

Prophetic.

[amjgt]

It's impossible to blow an 8-1 lead. Everyone knows this.

But the sake of argument, if it was possible, would you say it’s more likely against the Astros or Yankees?

[nicksaviking]

But the sake of argument, if it was possible, would you say it’s more likely against the Astros or Yankees?

This is hypothetical right? Who should we assumed me the opposing pitching staff is?

[yarnivek1972]

wanna take that bet?

 

And, yes, the math is really simple on this.

 

clearly, you don't agree, so I guess we're done with this line. But, search the internet and you might be surprised at the correct decision here.

 

Nothing you can say is going to convince me that managers don’t think about the implications for the rest of the game when they make a move.

[bighat]

 

you haven't prevented a single inherited runner (7 out of 7) from scoring, you are letting your teammates down.  Those 7 runs are on someone else's stats.  I would like to see him get on track in AAA and give someone else the opportunity.

 

Wow, Hildy has allowed 7 of 7 inherited baserunners to score? That's ugly, no matter how you slice it.

 

I'm also in the "Don't blame Rodney" camp. He saves the game without that ridiculous throw from Dozier. No, it wasn't what we want, but the job would have been done.

 

I'm baffled at all the walks Twins pitchers are giving up this year. Starters, relievers, seems to be an epidemic.

 

Kepler, AMAZING game. Rosario, great game. Buxton good game.

 

Guy in the green jacket/hat who caught the walk-off homer: legend.

[Nine of twelve]

It's impossible to blow an 8-1 lead. Everyone knows this.

Please look at this.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlbs-best-comebacks-in-history/c-215344274

 

I remember watching the 2001 Seattle-Cleveland game. Lou Piniella was managing the Mariners then. About halfway through the Cleveland comeback there was a camera shot of him in the dugout. He knew that Cleveland would wind up winning the game no matter what he did, and he had the most sour look on his face that it is possible for a human being to have. It was priceless.

[Nine of twelve]

Despite the ugliness of the series, it is still nice to say the won the series against the Astros.

ftfy. It wasn't only today's game.

[USAFChief]

 

But the sake of argument, if it was possible, would you say it’s more likely against the Astros or Yankees?

Yes.

 

 

[KirbyDome89]

 

Nothing you can say is going to convince me that managers don’t think about the implications for the rest of the game when they make a move.

You have the same argument going in multiple threads now. 

 

1. Nobody is suggesting Molitor should burn out Reed by throwing him 3 innings at a time.

 

2. Nobody is suggesting managers don't have a game plan.

 

That much is abundantly clear. I'm not sure how you're arriving at those conclusions. 

 

All anybody is advocating is that the best relief pitcher is used to get the most important outs during the game. Of course managers are thinking ahead, but all game plans are subject to change. Those late game situations you want to save a guy like Reed for wont exist if you can't get through the 6th. 

 

Andrew Miller was a big part of Cleveland's WS run, and he was used exactly how some have suggested Molitor use Reed. 

 

 

[Dantes929]

 

Despite the ugliness of the game, it is still nice to say the won the series against the Astros.

Huh?   I thought it was a thing of beauty.

[AlwaysinModeration]

BINGO!!