1 year 19 million with a team option for a 2nd year 22 million (2.5 million buyout)

DO IT.

He will get better than that. Maybe if it was a player option.

 

1 year 19 million with a team option for a 2nd year 22 million (2.5 million buyout)

DO IT.

 

2 year plus mutual option.

 

He will get better than that. Maybe if it was a player option.

I am interested in why you think he will get better than that, we are now less than 3 weeks before the season starts.

I was actually thinking we could try for less, but the same idea of a 2nd year buyout (mutual)

Edited March 9, 20188 yr by Tomj14

I am interested in why you think he will get better than that, we are now less than 3 weeks before the season starts.

I was actually thinking we could try for less, but the same idea of a 2nd year buyout (mutual)

I’m thinking he gets more like 3/50 with a player opt out after next season.

Arrieta may not be what he was 3-4 years ago but he still has a better track record than Ervin did when he signed his last deal for more money than that.

 

This absolutely makes the list of, "I did not see that coming".

If the guy is at his best he's a great get.

 

Looking for any sort of confirmation. No word on MLB Trade Rumors.

 

I thought the title of the thread was clear enough that this was Dave's own personal suggestion, and not based on any actual knowledge.

 

I may need to define the title as such if this is making anyone think this is a rumor.

 

I thought the title of the thread was clear enough that this was Dave's own personal suggestion, based on any actual knowledge.

 

I may need to define the title as such if this is making anyone think this is a rumor.

FWIW, I thought the thread title was unclear at first too. I thought, "what columnist has the initials CC? Or why is CC Sabathia reporting this?" Not to mention, is it a command like "Twins, go sign" or was an unnecessary verb included -- "Twins (go) sign"? Sabathia is probably not much of a writer, after all...

I've modified the title to be simply "Go sign Arrieta", and if Dave can clarify what the CC: was supposed to impart, maybe we'll try a further reworking. I took out the word "Twins" because the phrasing did look to me like an active rumor being out there.

 

I've modified the title to be simply "Go sign Arrieta", and if Dave can clarify what the CC: was supposed to impart, maybe we'll try a further reworking. I took out the word "Twins" because the phrasing did look to me like an active rumor being out there.

 

Isn't CC the line you copy someone on an email? As if Dave was suggesting the Twins sign Arrieta and he wanted the Twins copied on this announcement.

 

Isn't CC the line you copy someone on an email? As if Dave was suggesting the Twins sign Arrieta and he wanted the Twins copied on this announcement.

Yeah ... CC ... means carbon copy.

THE TWINS SIGNED ARRIETTA???!!?!!!   

 

SUH-WEEEEETTTTTT!!!

The Twins should also sign Machado next year on a one year make good deal.

 

I've modified the title to be simply "Go sign Arrieta", and if Dave can clarify what the CC: was supposed to impart, maybe we'll try a further reworking. I took out the word "Twins" because the phrasing did look to me like an active rumor being out there.

Sorry meant to be:

CC: Twins.

Go sign Arreita! 

 

The Twins should also sign Machado next year on a one year make good deal.

 

Not sure how this is on topic, or even a similar situation....

Yeah I think it's safe to say that Machado will be signed pretty early on

Implying that Jake Arietta may be open to a 1 year (high salary) deal isn't really insane IMO, if he has a very good year it sets him up real nice heading into next off-season.

The Twins should also sign Machado next year on a one year make good deal.

I’d prefer Harper, but I’m guessing he’ll command a year PLUS a vesting option.

 

1 year 19 million with a team option for a 2nd year 22 million (2.5 million buyout)

DO IT.

 

Nah.

I absolutely agree with trying to grab Arrieta (or Cobb/Lynn) for a one year contract. The rotation is WEAK right now and it doesn't hurt the Twins down the road. And this has always been the argument against signing 30+ yr old starters.

DO IT!

I wouldn't sign any of them to a one year contract without an option for 2019. It's looking more and more to me that the Twins FO see 2019 as the first year to really 'go for it'.

Totally appreciate Dave's sentiment and even agree with it, to some degree. I wrote a post fairly recently concerning Arietta and Lynn as the obvious 2 choices to sign, over Cobb, before we traded for Odorizzi. It's not that I dislike Cobb, but the numbers he has posted just don't compare as favorably to Arietta or Lynn.

 

Where I disagree on Arietta is the terms. The entire QO scenario has proven, to this point, as being rather meaningless. The players almost always reject said offer, looking for a bigger, longer term deal. And the teams know this, and just hope to recoup a draft choice.

 

Rather obviously, we are seeing a shift in financial dynamics in baseball. It's been pointed out the $10M per Lynn just rejected from the Twins was well short of the 1 year QO. But so what? His per year was still a $3M raise. And to this point, no-one, including their original teams, has offered anything better for Lynn, or Arietta, or at least, nothing close enough to what they want to make them sign.

 

And I'm not sure any 1-3 year deal should take the QO in to consideration in any way. Stinks for these guys they became FA in a year with a major shift in the economics of baseball.

 

If no-one, Cubs included, wants to offer Arietta, or Lynn, a "rich" multiple year deal, then they have 2 choices:

 

1] Accept the best offer they have to still make tons of money

 

2] Work out the best 1 year deal to "prove" their worth next offseason.

 

I'd offer Arietta something closer to $15M. If there is a proviso for a 2nd year, I'd say something around $18M with additional bonuses would be appropriate.

Carbon copy? Yes, that's what it once was. The 1950's are calling, they want their carbon paper back.

In this day and age it's a courtesy copy.

its no courtesy to me, maybe clog your inbox copy

Carbon copy? Yes, that's what it once was. The 1950's are calling, they want their carbon paper back.In this day and age it's a courtesy copy.

Even though this day in age doesn’t use carbon paper copies, cc is still acceptably referred to as carbon copy, at least according to several sources I read when I google searched the question on the internet. But back to topic.

 

I wouldn't sign any of them to a one year contract without an option for 2019. It's looking more and more to me that the Twins FO see 2019 as the first year to really 'go for it'.

Then you likely won't sign any of them. They want the 4+ year contract but will likely eventually settle for a 1 year contract so they can be back on the market next offseason.

This is crazy that 3 very good starting pitchers are still available in mid March. One part of the reason is that a few of the high spending teams have taken the year off in order to reset the luxury tax or other salary cap manipulations. It will be interesting to see if teams show this kind of restraint two offseasons in a row though. 

 

Then you likely won't sign any of them. They want the 4+ year contract but will likely eventually settle for a 1 year contract so they can be back on the market next offseason.

This is crazy that 3 very good starting pitchers are still available in mid March. One part of the reason is that a few of the high spending teams have taken the year off in order to reset the luxury tax or other salary cap manipulations. It will be interesting to see if teams show this kind of restraint two offseasons in a row though. 

that is the main reason they are unsigned - teams like Yankees and seattle and dodgers and whatnot would be in at expansive prices for these guys if they weren't fiscally tanking for next year's FA crop and a reboot of luxury tax penalties

 

I’m thinking he gets more like 3/50 with a player opt out after next season.
Arrieta may not be what he was 3-4 years ago but he still has a better track record than Ervin did when he signed his last deal for more money than that.

To quote Bob Dylan, " The Times they are a changin"...

 

that is the main reason they are unsigned - teams like Yankees and seattle and dodgers and whatnot would be in at expansive prices for these guys if they weren't fiscally tanking for next year's FA crop and a reboot of luxury tax penalties

Yes, it is one of the big reason why the whole FA market is slow this year. Some have said (even me at times) that teams are finally getting smarter about signing aging vets but overall teams just didn't have the same dollars to spend this offseason so some players haven't gotten contracts.

It could all go back to business as usual next year. At the beginning of free agency I figured the Twins had no shot at Arrieta, I kinda felt the same about Darvish, but the Twins might have had an inside track on him due to the front office guys and whatnot. But now that no one else has signed him, might as well go for it and see what you can get him for?? Like the offer to Lynn, all he can do is reject it? I'd like to see a low ball offer with lots of incentives. Like 1 Mill for 150 innings, 2 Mill for 175 and 3 Mill for 200 innings. 1 Mill for top 5 voting Cy young, 2 Mill top 3, 3 Mill if he wins the Cy young. Make it so that if he does have a super stud year that he gets rewarded. Make it so that there are a low incentive, like the 150 innings, should be easy right? But it's only worth a million but he gets the big payday if he gets to 200 innings, which is pretty difficult in today's day and age.

 

Just some thoughts to get one of these guys to sign for less. So offer 14 to 15 million one year offer with the same exact offer for a 2nd year with opt out in place, but on top of that 2 year deal he has a shot to make 20 - 21 million, but he has to do those things in order to make that happen. If he wins the Cy young and pitches 200 innings then he would be worth the price tag in my opinion, we are all worried about giving big money and then having the dude fall flat on his face. this rewards greatness, and if that happens the Twins would have a shot at the world series

Edited March 10, 20188 yr by Twodogs

 

Not sure how this is on topic, or even a similar situation....

They were both ridiculous ideas.

 

1 year 19 million with a team option for a 2nd year 22 million (2.5 million buyout)

DO IT.

How is it you were saying "whatever it takes, give me Darvish"?  Offers of 120 million were insulting and yet with Arietta you post these kinds of numbers??

 

I would do Arietta for those numbers, but CLEARLY the Darvish contract was a stupid play by the Cubs.  A very stupid one, in fact