February 12, 20188 yr http://www.startribune.com/rays-chris-archer-is-in-twins-sights-as-spring-training-approaches/473745133/ FORT MYERS, FLA. – After failing to land Yu Darvish with a five-year contract offer, the Twins are looking at several other free-agent pitchers, as well as exploring trades with multiple teams, according to several sources with knowledge of the club’s search.One pitcher the Twins have targeted is Rays righthander Chris Archer, and the club made a trade offer as recently as two weeks ago, a source confirmed.
February 12, 20188 yr As recent as two weeks ago. Wonder if it heats up now that Darvish is off the markethttp://www.startribune.com/rays-chris-archer-is-in-twins-sights-as-spring-training-approaches/473745133/
February 12, 20188 yr As recent as two weeks ago. Wonder if it heats up now that Darvish is off the markethttp://www.startribune.com/rays-chris-archer-is-in-twins-sights-as-spring-training-approaches/473745133/Getting Archer would be better than signing Darvish!
February 12, 20188 yr Getting Archer would be better than signing Darvish! I’m not sure it would be better, but it’s certainly a good 2nd move, depending on the cost.
February 12, 20188 yr I would do:Max KeplerFernando RomeroNick GordonFelix JorgeThat would be more than fair.
February 12, 20188 yr I’m not sure it would be better, but it’s certainly a good 2nd move, depending on the cost.Let me rephrase. We'd be getting a better pitcher. But yeah, what it would cost in prospects probably doesn't make it the better than just spending the money.
February 12, 20188 yr Let me rephrase. We'd be getting a better pitcher. But yeah, what it would cost in prospects probably doesn't make it the better than just spending the money.Yeah, I knew what you meant, and I’m not convinced he’s a better pitcher, at least for right now, but it’s definitely a good 2nd move, imho.
February 12, 20188 yr Yeah, I knew what you meant, and I’m not convinced he’s a better pitcher, at least for right now, but it’s definitely a good 2nd move, imho. I definitely believe Archer is the better pitcher. For me, there's no doubt. And he is younger too. Edited February 12, 20188 yr by jimmer
February 12, 20188 yr I definitely believe Archer is the better pitcher. For me, there's no doubt. And he's younger too.Younger and team control are good. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an excellent piece to add to our young core and hope a deal can be worked out. But it will cost us and until I see what ... but this is what we have to do to get front-end pitching.
February 12, 20188 yr But ... while I hope for it, I will still manage my expectations by remaining cynical. Brian, where’s your pitchfork now?
February 12, 20188 yr Younger and team control are good. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s an excellent piece to add to our young core and hope a deal can be worked out. But it will cost us and until I see what ... but this is what we have to do to get front-end pitching.A 1-2 of him and Berrios with Santana at number three when he comes back. THAT starts to make this rotation look promising. Edited February 12, 20188 yr by jimmer
February 12, 20188 yr I hope they sign Gomez if they deal Kepler. That takes the sting off,I think.Gomez ... I’m not sure what I think of that ... I hate the idea of losing Kepler, but if it doesn’t hurt a little, something is wrong with the trade.
February 12, 20188 yr Not going to happen. In my opinion this is just P.R. fluff to deflect from the Darvish fiasco. But if they can pull it off at this late date without dealing Kepler or Lewis, by all means.
February 12, 20188 yr Not going to happen. In my opinion this is just P.R. fluff to deflect from the Darvish fiasco.That’s terribly cynical of you!
February 12, 20188 yr But ... while I hope for it, I will still manage my expectations by remaining cynical. Brian, where’s your pitchfork now? Make it a good one Strap
February 12, 20188 yr Not going to happen. In my opinion this is just P.R. fluff to deflect from the Darvish fiasco.But if they can pull it off at this late date without dealing Kepler or Lewis, by all means. This. I expect us to get Garcia and Tillman and we'll get sold on how much their veteran presence and leadership will help a young team. Edited February 12, 20188 yr by TheLeviathan
February 12, 20188 yr Getting Archer would be better than signing Darvish!I'd rather have Archer than Darvish, but I'd rather have paid money than players to make the acquisition.
February 12, 20188 yr I'd rather not if it costs Kepler. you'd balk at getting a bonafide ace if it meant losing Kepler? I'm a Kepler fan, but that's an easy yes. Edited February 12, 20188 yr by jimmer
February 12, 20188 yr This. I expect us to get Garcia and Tillman and we'll get sold on how much their veteran presence and leadership will help a young team.Even though that means there aren't any young players on the roster.... How long do these guys need to be MLB players not to be young?
February 12, 20188 yr I'd rather have Archer than Darvish, but I'd rather have paid money than players to make the acquisition.yeah, that's why I rephrased a couple posts after I wrote that.
February 12, 20188 yr That’s terribly cynical of you! It was Max Kepler's birthday recently. The reason I know this is because the Twins promoted it on Facebook. At this point let's keep him a while
February 12, 20188 yr You have to trade value to get value.The return teams got for Miggy, Anibal Sanchez, Price, Cueto? The Royals got a great return for Greinke. Archer does not have near the track record at this point.
February 12, 20188 yr The return teams got for Miggy, Anibal Sanchez, Price, Cueto? The Royals got a great return for Greinke. Archer does not have near the track record at this point.I think you are under estimating what it will take to get him. But if you want great players, that are cheap, you have to give up real value.
February 12, 20188 yr If the Twins don't get Archer or overpay for him are we allowed to get the pitch forks out?
February 12, 20188 yr Archer has pitched over 200 innings in the last three years and just under 200 IP 4 seasons ago. 2013 fWAR: 3.22014 fWAR: 5.22016 fWAR: 3.22017 fWAR: 4.6 And he's done that facing the toughest offenses in baseball consistently. We have anybody close to that? Edited February 12, 20188 yr by jimmer
February 12, 20188 yr Kepler is cheaper, younger and has more years of control. Archer strikes guys out and is durable but that's about it. By bWAR, Kepler is better. fWAR, which relies on fip, likes Archer a lot more. Archer has been pitching in a very good pitchers park in front of a very good defense. I think bWAR is probably a bit closer to the truth but our FO better have a pretty good understanding of them.
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