Marte signing with Rays

[gunnarthor]

 

Rays only have 440k to spend so they are probably trading for money, per Sanchez

 

[Monkeypaws]

I saw on MLB that Seattle traded them some international money for a prospect, perhaps that money which came from the Twins. Nice bit of irony there.

[HitInAPinch]

Anyone know how bad this "vision issue" really is?  

[drjim]

Anyone know how bad this "vision issue" really is?

If it's not actually bad, Twins really screwed up.

[Bob Sacamento]

 

Anyone know how bad this "vision issue" really is?  

While traveling across the country, I heard on SiriusXM that his vision was 20/100 in one eye and 20/20 in the other.  No mention of it being degenerative like the Cardinals Tommy Pham

[snap4birds]

 

Anyone know how bad this "vision issue" really is?  

It's $2.2 million bad.

[diehardtwinsfan]

wonder if the Twins will send 1.2M in bonus money over in part of an Archer deal

[diehardtwinsfan]

FYI, LEN said Marte is signing for around 800k...

[rdehring]

 

If it's not actually bad, Twins really screwed up.

Did they?

 

Any vision problem that can't be 100% corrected will affect his ability to perform at the major league level.  And as of now, no one other than Marte and the Twins know how serious the problem is.

 

They also recovered $3,000,000 of Int'l money.  They used $2,000,000 to trade for the two prospects. That leaves over a million to work with which could get them another prospect or two.  The two birds in the hand together with another possible bird(s) for a player that had any vision problem tells me they actually made the prudent move.

 

Like everything with young prospects, we will know in another five years or so.  

[KirbyDome89]

I would love for the Twins to clear up:

 

1) Why the late announcement of the voided contract if he failed the physical during the summer?

2) Was the physical done in November and if so why so late? 

3) If the eye issue is concerning enough to void the original contract why are they interested in signing him now? 

 

Odd timing of events and similarly odd interest if the medicals are as concerning as posters have made it seem. 

[drjim]

 

Did they?

 

Any vision problem that can't be 100% corrected will affect his ability to perform at the major league level.  And as of now, no one other than Marte and the Twins know how serious the problem is.

 

They also recovered $3,000,000 of Int'l money.  They used $2,000,000 to trade for the two prospects. That leaves over a million to work with which could get them another prospect or two.  The two birds in the hand together with another possible bird(s) for a player that had any vision problem tells me they actually made the prudent move.

 

Like everything with young prospects, we will know in another five years or so.  

 

I said if it's not bad. I absolutely believe that he legitimately failed a physical and they were right to void the contract.

 

But if they got too cute in trying to save money, they did not do well. I would take someone with Marte's ceiling over the fringe prospects they acquired with the saved money.

[drock2190]

 

I said if it's not bad. I absolutely believe that he legitimately failed a physical and they were right to void the contract.

 

But if they got too cute in trying to save money, they did not do well. I would take someone with Marte's ceiling over the fringe prospects they acquired with the saved money.

 

Did you miss them signing the ex-Braves prospect who had a successful debut?

[Mike Sixel]

Did you miss them signing the ex-Braves prospect who had a successful debut?

With next year's money, not this year's...... Not relevant.

[snap4birds]

 

With next year's money, not this year's...... Not relevant.

Is that for sure?  I think they can use either this year or next year's money.  If you have enough money left over this year, it would make sense to use that, since most of the hot prospects sign in July.  

[Dance with Disco Dan]

 

Is that for sure?  I think they can use either this year or next year's money.  If you have enough money left over this year, it would make sense to use that, since most of the hot prospects sign in July.  

 

Unfortunately, the rules for signing the Braves' free agents state that you can use EITHER this year's money OR next year's money but you cannot take some from each pool.  Given the amount the Twins gave Severino ($2.5 million) it necessarily come from next year's pool because the Twins do not have enough to cover that amount from this year's pool after the trades with the Mariners and Angels.   It definitely would have been nice if they could have cleaned out this year's pool and dipped into next year's for the remainder.   I'm interested to see how--or if--they spend the remainder of this year's pool.

[Deduno Abides]

Before Marte was released, his ratings were much lower than expected. For example, Seth rated him #30 in November, while Rortvedt was rated #24. Banuelos is supposed to rate around the same as Rortvedt. Now, rating prospects is difficult and inexact, but from that datapoint, Banuelos is better than Marte, even before accounting for saving $3+ M.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

 

wonder if the Twins will send 1.2M in bonus money over in part of an Archer deal

That would make my day and the Twins next 4 seasons. .

[Intramural Legend]

 

I would love for the Twins to clear up:

 

1) Why the late announcement of the voided contract if he failed the physical during the summer?

2) Was the physical done in November and if so why so late? 

3) If the eye issue is concerning enough to void the original contract why are they interested in signing him now? 

 

Odd timing of events and similarly odd interest if the medicals are as concerning as posters have made it seem. 

 

I don't believe the Twins ever announced it at all.  It came up when International $ amounts available were being discussed because of Ohtani.  As far as I'm aware, we don't even know the actual date his contract was voided. 

[Twins33]

I would love for the Twins to clear up:

 

1) Why the late announcement of the voided contract if he failed the physical during the summer?

2) Was the physical done in November and if so why so late? 

3) If the eye issue is concerning enough to void the original contract why are they interested in signing him now? 

 

Odd timing of events and similarly odd interest if the medicals are as concerning as posters have made it seem.

 

 

Physical was taken and failed in September. Why it took so long to take a physical? I don't know, but I don't think he's the first guy to have a physical way later. I feel like I remember it happening before, but don't have an example.

 

To me, it makes sense that they didn't like him at 3M with the eye issue, but they'd find him acceptable at a lower amount. Less money risk. That I know of, there are teams that could have offered him more than the 800K he is getting from the Rays so that only makes it seem even more likely that it's a problem unless the other teams just didn't like him. Until the Rays signed him, I didn't hear of any team interested in him besides the Twins.

[Monkeypaws]

Who is generally regarded as better, Severino or Marte? Can't have everything.

[Mike Sixel]

Who is generally regarded as better, Severino or Marte? Can't have everything.

Marte is this year's money, severino is next. You could have them both.....

[DuluthFan]

 

Physical was taken and failed in September. Why it took so long to take a physical?

 

He was probably signed while still in his home country. He then had to acquire a work visa to enter the country. Without the signed contract, he probably couldn't have entered the states. The physical was probably performed in the states by team doctors. US healthcare is probably better than what was available in his home country.

[Squirrel]

 

He was probably signed while still in his home country. He then had to acquire a work visa to enter the country. Without the signed contract, he probably couldn't have entered the states. The physical was probably performed in the states by team doctors. US healthcare is probably better than what was available in his home country.

I think I read somewhere that there were visa issues ... don't remember where so I can't link it.

[KirbyDome89]

 

I don't believe the Twins ever announced it at all.  It came up when International $ amounts available were being discussed because of Ohtani.  As far as I'm aware, we don't even know the actual date his contract was voided. 

Exactly, it's odd that they were mum on the entire process when they had to know the $ amounts would be made public knowledge. I haven't read a specific date either.

[Mr. Brooks]

If Marte legitimately has a physical issue, it would have been gross incompetence to still pay full price.

Every contract has conditions, it's not personal.

[Dman]

I do wish we knew more about why he failed his physical.  Maybe HIPPA rules don't allow disclosing his medical condition.  I feel bad for the kid.  One moment he has 3 Million in his pocket then he has nothing.  I know Minnesota still had interest but I am glad another club stepped in and grabbed him, because not knowing more about this, it just didn't feel right how things were handled.

 

I have a feeling he might not make it with the bat.  That was a concern allot of evaluaters had prior to the draft.  I never understood why the Twins felt he was worth 3 Mil to begin with.  Anyway whats done is done and he has 800,000 reasons to move on.  I hope the kid makes it and sticks it to the Twins for not believing in him. 

[mikelink45]

 

Anyone know how bad this "vision issue" really is?  

I think it was an injury of convenience and in the midst of all our essays about the genius FO pair we might have to put this on the not-to-genius list. 

[KirbyDome89]

 

Physical was taken and failed in September. Why it took so long to take a physical? I don't know, but I don't think he's the first guy to have a physical way later. I feel like I remember it happening before, but don't have an example.

To me, it makes sense that they didn't like him at 3M with the eye issue, but they'd find him acceptable at a lower amount. Less money risk. That I know of, there are teams that could have offered him more than the 800K he is getting from the Rays so that only makes it seem even more likely that it's a problem unless the other teams just didn't like him. Until the Rays signed him, I didn't hear of any team interested in him besides the Twins.

No, I can't imagine he's the only player to have a delayed physical, and if it's due to visa issues that totally makes sense. That still puts the failed physical 2 months prior to any indication the Twins had decided to step away and had regained IBP $. 

 

Fair enough, I guess I view it a little more black and white. He has obviously been extensively scouted and the vision issue didn't affect those reports. If the Twins aren't comfortable committing $3M to him after the physical it's absolutely fine, but the renewed interest is where I get lost. I'm in the camp of either they think he can play or he can't. If they truly think the vision will be problematic down the line then by all means walk away, but the discomfort with offering $3M vs. the comfort/interest with whatever lower number rubs me the wrong way. 

 

I'm not certain how many/what other factors played into other teams interest in him at this point. TB did trade one of their own prospects just to add IBP $ to sign him so not all clubs may be on the same page in terms of how the vision issued is viewed. 

[Mr. Brooks]

I do wish we knew more about why he failed his physical. Maybe HIPPA rules don't allow disclosing his medical condition. I feel bad for the kid. One moment he has 3 Million in his pocket then he has nothing. I know Minnesota still had interest but I am glad another club stepped in and grabbed him, because not knowing more about this, it just didn't feel right how things were handled.

 

I have a feeling he might not make it with the bat. That was a concern allot of evaluaters had prior to the draft. I never understood why the Twins felt he was worth 3 Mil to begin with. Anyway whats done is done and he has 800,000 reasons to move on. I hope the kid makes it and sticks it to the Twins for not believing in him.

If he failed his physical, which would be an explicit condition of the contract, it doesn't mean the Twins didn't believe in him.

 

The fact that he only got 800k should eliminate any concerns that the Twins just changed their minds on him. Clearly the market agrees that his physical condition no longer makes him worthy of a $3 million bonus.

[Mr. Brooks]

I think it was an injury of convenience and in the midst of all our essays about the genius FO pair we might have to put this on the not-to-genius list.

Then why did he only garner 800k on the open market? Did the other teams conspire to keep his price low in order to make the Twins look good? If it wasn't a legit concern, he'd have gotten close to $3 million from another club.