Jack Morris Elected to Hall of Fame

[Don Walcott]

I’ve never argued pitch to the score in favor of Jack, though I have opinions on the so-called studies about that. And I’ve never argued about most wins in the 80s. Not once.

[jimmer]

 

I’ve never argued pitch to the score in favor of Jack, though I have opinions on the so-called studies about that. And I’ve never argued about most wins in the 80s. Not once.

Well, I said for examples. It wasn't meant to be all inclusive.  And I never said anyone used all of them ;-)

 

Again, thanks for the respectful debate.

[yarnivek1972]

One thing that all your sabremetrics don’t take into account is 3 rings. That’s why he’s in. His regular season stats don’t stand out in any way. He may well be in because of one game. That game was the best postseason pitching performance in the last 60 years - basically in the memory of the overwhelming majority of everyone alive.

 

That was the voter’s choice. People vote. Not computers. Because people play the game.

[jimmer]

One thing that all your sabremetrics don’t take into account is 3 rings. That’s why he’s in. His regular season stats don’t stand out in any way. He may well be in because of one game. That game was the best postseason pitching performance in the last 60 years - basically in the memory of the overwhelming majority of everyone alive.

 

That was the voter’s choice. People vote. Not computers. Because people play the game.

Yeah, I wasn't just using Sabremetrics only. In fact, that was the point.

 

His playoffs numbers a whole aren't that great. As good as some of his playoffs were, people ignore the bad ones. Those count too, no? In '87, he was horrible in ALCS and in '92 he was again horrible in ALCS. In the '92 ALCS, one of the games Toronto lost was his start (where he got the loss) and in his second start, he didn't get out of the 4th inning and he have up 5 ER (the team got saved by the bullpen and offense). His W Series that year, also terrible. His two W Series starts were the only two losses Toronto had in that W Series (and he got both losses).

 

And yep, people vote...like they did for 15 straight years when they said he didn't deserve to be in the HOF. But this one voting body proves your point :-)

 

Like I said earlier. He's in and I congratulate him for it.

[h2oface]

In the future...... voters may only have pitchers to select from with only around 200 wins at most...... The game is definitely changing. Yup. I think Morris belongs in the Hall of Fame. 

[TheLeviathan]

Good for Jack.

[old nurse]

 

Good for Jack.

Levi, you old walrus, long time no post. I can't even disagree with you for old times sake.