Twins sign Braves prospect Severino

[drjim]

[Winston Smith]

$2.5 million would make me smile!

[biggentleben]

 

I was hoping you'd weigh in.

 

LOL. I think the stuff on Maitan is overblown. There are plenty who still think just as high as Maitan - it was just universal before. He went from 170 as a 6'1" 15 year-old to 205 as a 6'3" 17 year old. He was injured this spring and tried to play through it throughout the year, and put on some "bad" weight, the first real bad weight to his frame, putting him up to 215. He's maintained weight and lost nearly 2 full inches from his waist at this point. The video from this fall shows him ripping the ball and as cut as he's ever been physically.

 

The guy who truly backslid had done so before his deal was even official in Abrahan Gutierrez, who likely agreed to the just under $4M deal he got well ahead of 2016 J2 as he had significant negatives in the months leading up to J2. Fittingly, he got roughly 10% of what he originally got.

[sthpstm]

 

$2.5 million would make me smile!

And what would $1.9M + $2.5M do?

[Thrylos]

 

And he'd have the highest offensive upside of any of them...

 

Not over Lewis and Javier and Arraez and even Gordon and Palacios and Miranda.  Maybe over Blakenhorn, but it is debatable.

[AZTwin]

https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/939264359183745024

That hat is awesome. I can’t believe we ever went away with the TC for an M

[beckmt]

 

Not over Lewis and Javier and Arraez and even Gordon and Palacios and Miranda.  Maybe over Blakenhorn, but it is debatable.

I would tend to agree with Ben, maybe not Lewis, but probably in the ballpark or better than the rest for offense.  That is why my post earlier that maybe this is paving the way for a Gordon trade in the near future.

[PATwinsfan]

I would tend to agree with Ben, maybe not Lewis, but probably in the ballpark or better than the rest for offense. That is why my post earlier that maybe this is paving the way for a Gordon trade in the near future.

I think trading Gordon could make sense given our depth there. I wonder just how much he'd bring back though. His stock seems to be lower than it was a year ago. My bigger question though is (and I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this question) does trading Gordon necessitate a Dozier extension? I don't see anyone else taking over 2B in the short term other than Polanco or Gordon if Dozier isn't extended.

[beckmt]

 

I think trading Gordon could make sense given our depth there. I wonder just how much he'd bring back though. His stock seems to be lower than it was a year ago. My bigger question though is (and I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this question) does trading Gordon necessitate a Dozier extension? I don't see anyone else taking over 2B in the short term other than Polanco or Gordon if Dozier isn't extended.

Sounds like a few others of the prospects will make it to AA this year (Lewis in particular).  Gordon could be part of a package for either Archer or Cole (maybe as a headliner with other pieces). 

[DocBauer]

The winning quote regarding Severino comes from CBS:

 

"Although it's unlikely that the infielder will see the major-league diamond in 2018, he projects to be a key part of the future in Minnesota."

 

Where do they find those people? 

 

He is a switch hitter, but as a lefty he hit a lofty .303/.365/.451.  That said he is probably the 8th or so best middle infielder the Twins have...

Remember when the cupboard was barren of middle infield prospects? What a change a couple of seasons can make!

 

I don't know enough about Severino to comment accurately, only know what I've read today. Lewis, Gordon, Javier, Palacios, Arraez, possibly Blenkenhorn, Miranda and Cabbage, (Though those last 3 could be better 3B options), is the 8th best prospect realistic? I'm asking. Sure seems, from what I've read, that he's pretty comparable to some of the guys on that list.

[DocBauer]

I think trading Gordon could make sense given our depth there. I wonder just how much he'd bring back though. His stock seems to be lower than it was a year ago. My bigger question though is (and I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this question) does trading Gordon necessitate a Dozier extension? I don't see anyone else taking over 2B in the short term other than Polanco or Gordon if Dozier isn't extended.

While initially a bit skeptical about Gordon's high draft status, I have come around to being a fan and believer. Even still, were I another team looking at the Twins infield depth and open to a trade, I'm not so sure I wouldn't be looking more at Javier or Polacios as maybe a better "get" despite being further away.

 

Whether Gordon is traded or not, I'm in favor of an extension for Dozier, along with a short extension for Mauer. Said extensions would still amount to a savings from what they will make, combined, in 2018. And, as I just posted in a new topic, do we maybe have concern over Sano playing 3B after his surgery?

 

Even with Gordon, Dozier and Polanco, I think there's room for everyone.

[PATwinsfan]

While initially a bit skeptical about Gordon's high draft status, I have come around to being a fan and believer. Even still, were I another team looking at the Twins infield depth and open to a trade, I'm not so sure I wouldn't be looking more at Javier or Polacios as maybe a better "get" despite being further away.

 

Whether Gordon is traded or not, I'm in favor of an extension for Dozier, along with a short extension for Mauer. Said extensions would still amount to a savings from what they will make, combined, in 2018. And, as I just posted in a new topic, do we maybe have concern over Sano playing 3B after his surgery?

 

Even with Gordon, Dozier and Polanco, I think there's room for everyone.

I think a reasonable extension for Dozier makes sense. Do Gordon and Polanco push Sano to DH? That means one of them is playing 3rd- do their bats play as well there?

 

I would be in favor of packaging Gordon with others in an Archer or Cole trade if we're going to extend Dozier and are comfortable playing Sano at 3rd. Let our wealth of SS prospects come up and push Polanco to 2nd once the Dozier extension expires (or shift him to 3rd and Sano to DH).

[kab21]

Has the 'can't combine 2017 and 2018 bonus pool money' been confirmed in print somewhere. This seems a bit off.

But congrats to the FO for landing some more advanced prospects than a 16 yr old. 

These are all little moves but the FO has been very adept so far at adding talent. A little here and a little there adds up.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I really like this move. For one, they got the kid who got results. He's 17 and was one of the better GCL hitters. I know rookie ball stats are always a bit of a crap shoot, but they are far more reliable when the players putting up the numbers do so while significantly younger than their league (in this case about 3 years)...

 

Part of the reason that people were so high on Thorpe was not just due to his results, but because he was 17 when he put them up. I like this a lot.

 

Now the question... they still have 1.2 M.  Can they get another one? I wouldn't mind Contreras and his 95 MPH FB.

[AZTwin]

I really like this move. For one, they got the kid who got results. He's 17 and was one of the better GCL hitters. I know rookie ball stats are always a bit of a crap shoot, but they are far more reliable when the players putting up the numbers do so while significantly younger than their league (in this case about 3 years)...

 

Part of the reason that people were so high on Thorpe was not just due to his results, but because he was 17 when he put them up. I like this a lot.

 

Now the question... they still have 1.2 M. Can they get another one? I wouldn't mind Contreras and his 95 MPH FB.

Yeah. Can never count tools out but when the tools are similar I like my chances better with the guy getting results as well

[MN_ExPat]

Huh. Really? Anyone have a source for this?

I may be totally off base on this one, buuuut... I thought I read it on MLB.com (possibly ESPN).

[ashbury]

Has the 'can't combine 2017 and 2018 bonus pool money' been confirmed in print somewhere. This seems a bit off.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/process-for-signing-prospects-stripped-from-braves.html

 

The MLB Trade Rumors article stated it pretty directly. "They may elect to draw from either their current signing period pool allocation or that of the 2018-19 period (but not both)." I'd be surprised if this hadn't been pretty carefully vetted.

[Aichiman]

 

Are there any penalties for using some of next years allotment? If there isn't couldn't they continue to use future money every year?

This strategy seems very familiar to me.  Hmmm, where did I hear this before.  Oh yeah, the government.  It works great!!!

[Aichiman]

 

The Twins can use what's left of their 2017 pool and part of next year's pool to sign Severino. MLB decided it wouldn't be fair to those ATL players with the voided contracts to limit teams to this year's pool only. At 17-years-old, Severino ranked third in the GCL in doubles. Baseball America ranked him as their No. 15 prospect in the GCL, two spots behind Enlow. An exciting addition.

No, they can't combine the pools.  They used next year's pool to pay all of Severino's signing bonus.

[biggentleben]

 

Not over Lewis and Javier and Arraez and even Gordon and Palacios and Miranda.  Maybe over Blakenhorn, but it is debatable.

 

Offensive upside, yes. I love all of them, but his peak upside exceeds that of that list with just the bat. Overall, perhaps not, but certainly offensively.

[ashbury]

They used next year's pool to pay all of Severino's signing bonus.

That's a detail I'm not sure we (or even they) know. When do the books close on this year's signing pool? What if a trade is in the works that involves some pool dollars for 2017 coming our way before that deadline? Can the accounting of signings be determined at the end of the (fiscal) year to their best advantage?

[biggentleben]

 

I really like this move. For one, they got the kid who got results. He's 17 and was one of the better GCL hitters. I know rookie ball stats are always a bit of a crap shoot, but they are far more reliable when the players putting up the numbers do so while significantly younger than their league (in this case about 3 years)...

 

Part of the reason that people were so high on Thorpe was not just due to his results, but because he was 17 when he put them up. I like this a lot.

 

Now the question... they still have 1.2 M.  Can they get another one? I wouldn't mind Contreras and his 95 MPH FB.

 

Sounds like the team really wants Marte back and he's negotiating with them.

 

Yenci Pena signed with the Rangers today. Contreras is an impressive guy in his top end velo, but, man, would Del Rosario have been a great get. The Royals really got two of the absolute gems from the Braves players.

 

I'd love to see the Twins re-open negotiations with Mauro Bonifacio or jump in on Raimfer Salinas, one of the best prospects in Venezuela in this class.

[biggentleben]

 

That's a detail I'm not sure we (or even they) know. When do the books close on this year's signing pool? What if a trade is in the works that involves some pool dollars for 2017 coming our way before that deadline? Can the accounting of signings be determined at the end of the (fiscal) year to their best advantage?

 

They're only allowed to use one pool or the other. They reset each July 2nd. The current pool that ends next July 1st only has roughly $1.2M in it, so that wouldn't be enough to sign Severino. The 2018-2019 pool can be used only with these Braves prospects at this point, and the Twins would be getting likely $5.75M in 2018-2019 due to getting a comp B pick, so they would have started with one of the largest pools in baseball. However, signing a player with a qualifying offer would cost the Twins $500K in international funds.

 

They obviously did not have major verbal deals set up for 2018-2019, as much of the league does already, so they were willing ot spend $2.5M of that $5.75M, leaving $3.25M before signings.

[tvagle]

One name I'd like to hear mentioned outta 1 Twins Way - Francisco Ortiz

 

Could lead to...

[table]

Name

Raimfer Salinas

Antonio Cabello

Wildred Patino

Position

OF

C

OF

MLB Pipeline

#6

#8

#25

[/table]

 

Just happens to train all three

[amjgt]

Just for the sake of argument, in a month, could the Twins trade Seattle's prospect back to them for $1.5m in this year's intl bonus pool, which would be enough that we could afford the $2.5m in this year's pool.

 

Basically, are we locked into using next year's money, or do we have until July 1st to figure out what bucket it comes from.

[ashbury]

They're only allowed to use one pool or the other. They reset each July 2nd.

Just for the sake of argument, in a month, could the Twins trade Seattle's prospect back to them for $1.5m in this year's intl bonus pool, which would be enough that we could afford the $2.5m in this year's pool.

 

Basically, are we locked into using next year's money, or do we have until July 1st to figure out what bucket it comes from.

The July 2 date was the information I was looking for - thanks.That's a lot farther away than I realized.

 

Yes, amjgt captured what I was trying to ask before. I imagine the team has to specify which pool the money will come from, and probably well before July in this case, but might it not have to be until after the player passes the physical and the contract is completed? Is there still time to augment this year's pool enough to afford the player?

 

In any case, this IFA pool money concept is becoming more interesting. It is the new PTBNL, and potentially much more consequential than the usual roster-filler that completes a trade.

[drjim]

The July 2 date was the information I was looking for - thanks.That's a lot farther away than I realized.

 

Yes, amjgt captured what I was trying to ask before. I imagine the team has to specify which pool the money will come from, and probably well before July in this case, but might it not have to be until after the player passes the physical and the contract is completed? Is there still time to augment this year's pool enough to afford the player?

 

In any case, this IFA pool money concept is becoming more interesting. It is the new PTBNL, and potentially much more consequential than the usual roster-filler that completes a trade.

Probably time to allow draft picks to be traded.

 

I'd couple that with removing the loss of picks tied to free agent signings, but still allowing compensation picks for net value of free agents lost (the compensation picks can't be traded).

 

Put more assets out there for front offices to play with.

[Doomtints]

It's interesting the amount of conversation about the business side of this transaction rather than the player itself. The business side of it has nothing to do with us as fans.

 

Severino looks like a shoo-in to make the majors. This is a pretty cool move!

[Han Joelo]

 

Probably time to allow draft picks to be traded.

I'd couple that with removing the loss of picks tied to free agent signings, but still allowing compensation picks for net value of free agents lost (the compensation picks can't be traded).

Put more assets out there for front offices to play with.

 

Can you imagine what a hot mess Miami could make with that option on the table?  

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

Can you imagine what a hot mess Miami could make with that option on the table?  

 

My thoughts exactly. Loria would be selling top draft picks for cash.

At least McCourt isn't still in the baseball ownership business.