Article: Twins Acquire Two Prospects For International Bonus Money

[KirbyDome89]

 

Do we actually know the timing of the failed physical though? All we know is when it became public, and that was only found out when a national writer posted available international pools due to Ohtani becoming available.

If they voided the contract in August or September, which seems likely, there would be nothing especially fishy about that.

No, and it's a fair point. I said as much in my OP, this could all be nothing and the Twins could easily clear it up. I do think it's odd that he would sign in early July and not have a physical until November. I also think it's weird not to announce he failed it during the summer if they knew the information would eventually be made public. 

[Squirrel]

Moderator warning: Okay, enough ... move the discussion back to the topic and move along. We are getting into stages of bickering and disrespect. This is NOT a winnable argument no matter how fervently you want to express your opinion or how fervently believe there was or wasn't any wrong-doing regarding Marte. Move along.

[Monkeypaws]

I do like the Enlow - Pearson connection. Both LSU recruits, both drafted in the 3rd round, both lured away from college by over-slot bonuses, and now both in the Twins system.

[h2oface]

Two new prospects rated high but performing low already, in low levels of the farm world. Amazing 5 pages of comments can come out of this. Good luck to the prospects and the Twins. All three will need a lot of it for this one.

[Mike Sixel]

Two new prospects rated high but performing low. Amazing 5 pages of comments can come out of this. Good luck to the prospects and the Twins. All three will need a lot of it for this one.

Where are they rated high?

 

If they didn't like any of the available foreign players or the braves players, this is a fine, if unexciting use of the limits

[old nurse]

 

See I would have them flipped. Catcher guy interests me but I'm not interested in an outfielder with zero power and can't field. Can't possibly be ahead of Rooker. Rooker was mashing.

The prospect here is 19. What was Rooker doing at 19? No team thought at 18 Rooker would develop into anything. Pearson at the same as Rooker was after his freshman season is starting at a higher level of success.  In 3 years Pearson could be Rooker.  or yet another 21 year old looking for work with no skills

[h2oface]

 

Where are they rated high?

If they didn't like any of the available foreign players or the braves players, this is a fine, if unexciting use of the limits

 

Wasn't it 5th and 10th for the previous teams? If a prospect is rated in the top ten on the Twins, I would consider that high. And apparently rated high by our FO for the FO to even acquire them. Unless the MO is just to fill space on the farm rosters. Am I really qualifying this simple statement? 

[Mr. Brooks]

I like it.

Catchers are weird, so I won't even try to evaluate him.

But, I really have high hopes for this Pearson kid. He seems to have all the tools.

[Mr. Brooks]

Two new prospects rated high but performing low already, in low levels of the farm world. Amazing 5 pages of comments can come out of this. Good luck to the prospects and the Twins. All three will need a lot of it for this one.

Neither has played even a full season of pro ball yet. Tools are much more important than any stat line at this point in their development.

[h2oface]

 

Neither has played even a full season of pro ball yet. Tools are much more important than any stat line at this point in their development.

 

People like to say this, but in the end, if players have tools, and are going to make it, they should also show up in the lowest levels of the farm system, and in performance and stats. Kohl Stewart had tools, and can't even get protected. Like I said, lots of luck to all.

[maxisagod]

I think the key to picking these kids, were 1: Not part of the 40 man crunch, lots of years of control left. 2: filled holes in the organisation. 3: were scouted using the new FO approach (no old scouting reports).  

 

This is basically like trading for draft picks, pro ball stats don't matter much at this point. Look at Baddoo first year.  

[Kwak]

 

Neither has played even a full season of pro ball yet. Tools are much more important than any stat line at this point in their development.

This places a positive spin on guys who didn't hit their first season. Almost like saying "at least these guys can see, as opposed to Marte."

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

This places a positive spin on guys who didn't hit their first season. Almost like saying "at least these guys can see, as opposed to Marte."

Combined, the two players have ~400 professional plate appearances. Both were/are pretty highly regarded in some respects (Pearson was a mid 2nd round pick on some boards, Banuelos' defense is a plus).

 

There's no need to put a positive or negative spin on either of them. They're both so inexperienced that no conclusion can be drawn from a stat sheet.

[Mr. Brooks]

People like to say this, but in the end, if players have tools, and are going to make it, they should also show up in the lowest levels of the farm system, and in performance and stats. Kohl Stewart had tools, and can't even get protected. Like I said, lots of luck to all.

Yes, eventually production has to match the tools.

I'm just not sure it has to be in the first half season.

Aside from learning how to be an adult, and a professional, there is the sample size aspect, as well as Pearson being hampered by a shoulder injury.

[AZTwin]

Obviously you’d like to see kids have success in short season ball but it’s not the end of the world. Torii Hunter struggled in his first season as well. I’ll admit that those examples are the outliers but it’s far too early to give up on a kid.

[mlhouse]

You cannot use statistics to evaluate rookie league level players.   WHose stats were these in the Gulf Rookie League?

 

G  47 PA  199  AB  173  R 19 H  35 2B 10 3B  0 HR  3 RBI  25  .202 .296 .312 .609

 

Answer:  Derek Jeter the 6th overall pick that season.

 

These were good trades for the Twins.  They traded away two slots in the international market "draft" and received two reasonable prospects for them.  There was no guarantee that the Twins would be able to find international players worth signing with their signing slots. 

 

But instead, received a player that was drafted #85 in the draft, round 3 who signed an above slot contract in Jacob Pearson (a bonus the Twins do not have to pay) and a solid college catcher selected in the 5th round.  

[Thegrin]

And now Severino belongs on this list.

[Monkeypaws]

Our cuppeth overflows. 

[Jacksson]

The Twins had the leverage over BOTH the Mariners and the Angels as both were trying to stockpile international money for a run at Ohtani and for a total of 2 Million in bonus funds, all the Twins got was a couple of suspects. From the Mariners they got a 21 YO Catcher who is defensive oriented and who hit .236 in his first professional year. For a Million in bonus money, this was the best they could get?? Somebody needs to learn how to negociate when they hold all the cards. From the Angels we got a 19 YO Outfielder who is a defensive liability that hit .226 with NO HRs in his first year in rookie ball. After blowing $1 Million in bonus money on this guy, no wonder the Angles wanted to cut their losses. (Of course, we COULD have ended up getting Alex Meyer back!)So after losing out on the Ohtani sweepstakes, what does Seattle do with their now excessive amount of International Bonus Funds? They take the $1 Million they got from the Twins and turn it into 2 PROSPECTS. The Mariners got Misiewicz, a former farm hand who at age 23 pitched to a 4.00 ERA with 7.2K & 2.1BB per 9 (for 500 K in Bonus money PLUS Shawn Armstrong who had 152Ks over 98 innings at AAA over the last 3 years and has an11.3% K rate over 43 MLB innings for another 500K in bonus money. So who was the bonehead who negociated the the Twins "donation" of 2 Million in Bonus money for virtually NOTHING???

[terrydactyls]

The Twins had the leverage over BOTH the Mariners and the Angels as both were trying to stockpile international money for a run at Ohtani and for a total of 2 Million in bonus funds, all the Twins got was a couple of suspects. From the Mariners they got a 21 YO Catcher who is defensive oriented and who hit .236 in his first professional year. For a Million in bonus money, this was the best they could get?? Somebody needs to learn how to negociate when they hold all the cards. From the Angels we got a 19 YO Outfielder who is a defensive liability that hit .226 with NO HRs in his first year in rookie ball. After blowing $1 Million in bonus money on this guy, no wonder the Angles wanted to cut their losses. (Of course, we COULD have ended up getting Alex Meyer back!)So after losing out on the Ohtani sweepstakes, what does Seattle do with their now excessive amount of International Bonus Funds? They take the $1 Million they got from the Twins and turn it into 2 PROSPECTS. The Mariners got Misiewicz, a former farm hand who at age 23 pitched to a 4.00 ERA with 7.2K & 2.1BB per 9 (for 500 K in Bonus money PLUS Shawn Armstrong who had 152Ks over 98 innings at AAA over the last 3 years and has an11.3% K rate over 43 MLB innings for another 500K in bonus money. So who was the bonehead who negociated the the Twins "donation" of 2 Million in Bonus money for virtually NOTHING???

As I see the trades, the Twins money (1M) only involved Miesiwicz. Armstrong was acquired using additional international money, not what the Twins sent to Seattle. Good job Twmins.

[old nurse]

 

The Twins had the leverage over BOTH the Mariners and the Angels as both were trying to stockpile international money for a run at Ohtani and for a total of 2 Million in bonus funds, all the Twins got was a couple of suspects. From the Mariners they got a 21 YO Catcher who is defensive oriented and who hit .236 in his first professional year. For a Million in bonus money, this was the best they could get?? Somebody needs to learn how to negociate when they hold all the cards. From the Angels we got a 19 YO Outfielder who is a defensive liability that hit .226 with NO HRs in his first year in rookie ball. After blowing $1 Million in bonus money on this guy, no wonder the Angles wanted to cut their losses. (Of course, we COULD have ended up getting Alex Meyer back!)So after losing out on the Ohtani sweepstakes, what does Seattle do with their now excessive amount of International Bonus Funds? They take the $1 Million they got from the Twins and turn it into 2 PROSPECTS. The Mariners got Misiewicz, a former farm hand who at age 23 pitched to a 4.00 ERA with 7.2K & 2.1BB per 9 (for 500 K in Bonus money PLUS Shawn Armstrong who had 152Ks over 98 innings at AAA over the last 3 years and has an11.3% K rate over 43 MLB innings for another 500K in bonus money. So who was the bonehead who negociated the the Twins "donation" of 2 Million in Bonus money for virtually NOTHING???

Misiewwicz never got a mention from Sickels when grading prospects. He was in the Seattle system and did not grade into their top 50 or so prospects. An ERA of 4 will do that.   Banulelos was at least rated their tenth best prospect. Shawn Armstrong has been used as a mop up pitcher and is 27. Hardly a prospect either. In either case the sum sent was not mentioned as the Mariners had around 3 million.

Edited December 14, 2017 by old nurse