General politics

[Craig Arko]

I’m in favor of shooting down all drones, including the privately-owned ones flying over your homes and filming what’s happening in your back yards.

[PseudoSABR]

 

Did you listen to the audio of that interview? Her guest broadened the subject to conquered peoples, and she responded to that tangent.

 

I did not. I trusted Media Matters to put that in context. Lesson learned. 

 

Edit: what she said was in response to the notion reparations should go to Native Americans.   So yes, she didn't say this about slavery, just about the genocide of tribal people on the North American continent.  I'm actually not sure that's better, and the same kind of thinking, all though she did not do it, could apply to the conquest of African people for the purposes of slavery rather than land.

[ewen21]

 

Okay, so will you kindly stop telling people what the topic is or is not?

Ben brought up McConnell's comments about reparations.  McConnell commented on reparations because there were congressional hearings on it.  Democratic candidates have reparations as part of their platform and it has been injected into the national conversation.  Exuse me for not wanting to break down how racist Mitch McConnell is.  I wanted to talk about solutions beyond reparations and I actually TRIED to discuss that.  No one seems to want to pursue the conversation beyond a little blurb.  I was hoping we'd get deeper, but no......we have to talk about "racism"

 

Go ahead and get it all out.  I'll be over here ready to discuss solutions beyond reparations. Whenever you're ready.  I don't think anyone here even supports reparations or think conversations about it are productive.  No one even thinks it's realistic to draw up and yet the democrats have injected it into the conversation.  Have at it.  Tell me how racist McConnell is.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

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There's a reason why some of the loudest (intelligent) voices in favor of exploring how to regulate the tech sector come from the tech sector itself.

 

The more you know, the scarier it gets.

[Mike Sixel]

Here in Oregon, GOP legislatures fled rather than allow a vote. The majority can legally compel them to return.

 

They literally threatened police with violence.

 

The GOP and their voters think that is acceptable. Let that sink in....

[biggentleben]

 

There's a reason why some of the loudest (intelligent) voices in favor of exploring how to regulate the tech sector come from the tech sector itself.

 

The more you know, the scarier it gets.

 

Akin to most of those who are leaders in tech keeping their own children away from it...says a lot.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Here in Oregon, GOP legislatures fled rather than allow a vote. The majority can legally compel them to return.

They literally threatened police with violence.

The GOP and their voters think that is acceptable. Let that sink in....

The GOP has become the party of non-governance. It's... disappointing... how many people fail to acknowledge that little tidbit of information. The people you elected to govern don't actually want to govern.

 

It's damned hard to fix a problem when you refuse to do your job.

[LaBombo]

 

I trusted Media Matters to put that in context.

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

The GOP has become the party of non-governance. It's... disappointing... how many people fail to acknowledge that little tidbit of information. The people you elected to govern don't actually want to govern.

 

It's damned hard to fix a problem when you refuse to do your job.

 

I can squint and see it being acceptable to flee......but to literally threaten violence against police for doing their job? That's ok? That's the party of law and order?

[LaBombo]

 

Here in Oregon, GOP legislatures fled rather than allow a vote. The majority can legally compel them to return.

They literally threatened police with violence.

The GOP and their voters think that is acceptable. Let that sink in....

 

 

Where on earth would those awful Republicans get the idea that leaving the state is an acceptable legislative tactic?

 

Indiana House Dems Flee State

 

Wis. Democrats Flee To Prevent Vote On Union Bill

 

Texas House paralyzed by Democratic walkout

 

 

And lest anyone worry, I'm not laboring under the delusion that any of that context will move anyone's needle a fraction of an inch off of 'Evil Oregon Republican walkout is beyond the pale!'

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Where on earth would those awful Republicans get the idea that leaving the state is an acceptable legislative tactic?

 

Indiana House Dems Flee State

 

Wis. Democrats Flee To Prevent Vote On Union Bill

 

Texas House paralyzed by Democratic walkout

 

 

And lest anyone worry, I'm not laboring under the delusion that any of that context will move anyone's needle a fraction of an inch off of 'Evil Oregon Republican walkout is beyond the pale!'

 

Of course, I said I can squint and see that as acceptable. Did the democrats threaten to shoot police who tried to bring them back for a vote? It's almost like that whole part was skipped over......

[Squirrel]

 

Where on earth would those awful Republicans get the idea that leaving the state is an acceptable legislative tactic?

 

Indiana House Dems Flee State

 

Wis. Democrats Flee To Prevent Vote On Union Bill

 

Texas House paralyzed by Democratic walkout

 

 

And lest anyone worry, I'm not laboring under the delusion that any of that context will move anyone's needle a fraction of an inch off of 'Evil Oregon Republican walkout is beyond the pale!'

You make a good point, and one I was about to state ... although was more of a 'didn't this happen elsewhere with Democrats?' because I couldn't remember any specifics.

 

That said, tone down the over-exaggeration of a point no one made. 

[Craig Arko]

Meh, after the revolution both of those parties will be out of business.

[Squirrel]

 

There's a reason why some of the loudest (intelligent) voices in favor of exploring how to regulate the tech sector come from the tech sector itself.

 

The more you know, the scarier it gets.

Technology is sometimes frightening when you get past the 'Oh, wow, cool' or the 'I won't think about anything else because I like the convenience' aspects. And I think we are becoming more of a 'I want convenience over anything good or bad that comes of it' society. And because of that, no one is really thinking of ... are there bigger repercussions or 'not so good for us' uses to whatever the latest thing is.

[LaBombo]

 

Meh, after the revolution both of those parties will be out of business.

 

Concur. The closest thing to party affiliation in the new ruling class will be residual corporate loyalty that predates the evolvement  of their ability to self-replicate.

 

 

PS Resistance really will be futile, but anyone who decides to go that route, have something spicier than a hockey stick.

[biggentleben]

 

PS Resistance really will be futile, but anyone who decides to go that route, have something spicier than a hockey stick.

 

I've stocked up on cattle prods. Found out I can't use them on the children, so I suppose I'll keep the stock for life after revolution...

 

(I sincerely hope all understand the kiddo comment is in jest)

[LaBombo]

 

I've stocked up on cattle prods. Found out I can't use them on the children, so I suppose I'll keep the stock for life after revolution...

 

(I sincerely hope all understand the kiddo comment is in jest)

 

Excellent call. Should buy you some time, but be ready to adapt when they do.

 

PS Never turn your back on that Roomba, my friend. They look cute and harmless, but they're watching Robot Wars when you're not home.

[LaBombo]

 

Of course, I said I can squint and see that as acceptable. Did the democrats threaten to shoot police who tried to bring them back for a vote? It's almost like that whole part was skipped over......

 

Sorry, didn't see your second post about the squinting when I posted. As for the rest... yes, I absolutely skipped your reference to violence because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and not assume that you were lumping all OR Republican senators in with that stupid threat. But now I see that you are indeed lumping, so that's the next topic.

 

My feeling is that it's usually pretty important to distinguish between the conduct of an individual and that of their political party. The alternative is to paint everyone with the broad brush of their affiliations. If that's the way you want to go, ok, but it strikes me as a really bad bargain if you live in a state where stories like "Activists" threatened to drag local Republicans off a parade route (quotes added) are NBD.

 

And it should go without saying, but I'm vehemently against threatening and irresponsible language like that of Sam Elliot wannabe Brian Boquist. It's especially unacceptable in a state with militia yahoos looking for a cause to take up arms against/for/whatever.

 

That said, it's worth pointing out that with respect to Boquist and the other Repubs who are out of the state, even just the idea of a confrontation with OSP is a non-starter. They're outside the jurisdiction of OR law enforcement, and Governor Brown does not have the authority to order arrests without warrants or cause.

 

[Mike Sixel]

Given I've yet to see the threats rebuked, though the news isn't on yet, so maybe they have finally been....

 

The party should have immediately said that was wrong..... Especially with the proud boys here. I just want some grown ups.

[PseudoSABR]

A political party isn't like a race or a gender identity or even a religion (which people are mostly born into).  The members of a political party opt into that party, and a political party has governing body that has (or should have) some control over the people whom it chooses to include/endorse as a member. So in some instances it may be unfair to lump all Republicans together, but I think by and large it is fair to lump them all together. More accountability from all members of the group for the supposed bad actors would do a lot to making sure those bad actors don't continue to surface time and time again.

 

Likewise, Democrats should hold each other accountable as well.  But the GOP is god awful at empowering the most vile members of its party (cough: the president).

[ewen21]

 

A political party isn't like a race or a gender identity or even a religion (which people are mostly born into).  The members of a political party opt into that party, and a political party has governing body that has (or should have) some control over the people whom it chooses to include/endorse as a member. So in some instances it may be unfair to lump all Republicans together, but I think by and large it is fair to lump them all together. More accountability from all members of the group for the supposed bad actors would do a lot to making sure those bad actors don't continue to surface time and time again.

 

Likewise, Democrats should hold each other accountable as well.  But the GOP is god awful at empowering the most vile members of its party (cough: the president).

Imagine that?  Who would have ever imagined?

[PseudoSABR]

 

Imagine that?  Who would have ever imagined?

Your boy Trump got accused of another sexual assault today.  Gonna sweep that one under the rug too? 

[PseudoSABR]

 

Just like the Democrats would do, eh? 

[ewen21]

 

Your boy Trump got accused of another sexual assault today.  Gonna sweep that one under the rug too? 

She alleges he raped her in the dressing room at Bergdorf-Goodman.  This is her account:

 

“The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips,” Carroll alleges. “I am so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.”
Carroll continues, “I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.”

 

Not sweeping anything under the carpet.

[biggentleben]

The Oregon GOP is even proud of this...

 

https://twitter.com/Oregon_GOP/status/1142619631095439360

 

[Mike Sixel]

Sorry, they are actually endorsing violence now. So, yes, I am bunching them all together.

[LaBombo]

 

 

Just like the Democrats would do, eh? 

 

Interesting choice, since the only new information about the story in Ms Feldman's tweet ("then the emboldened militiamen turned up"!) is false. The lone photo in the article she links to, of a person in militia dress, is from 2017, the only sources listed regarding the need for a shutdown b//c of security concerns are Democrats, and the article admits that Republicans wanted nothing to do with the militia and rejected their offer of "protection".

 

But I'm glad you posted it anyway, since Ms Feldman lists her job at LAT as "investigative reporter", and I thinks it's instructive to note that LAT is willing to staff that position with a person who either made up a story from a file photo or knowingly gave false information.

 

Then again, a brief perusal of her tweets shows gems like this podcast recommendation: "An extremely good case for banning men", and this: "I'd like to see a list of white men who just keep failing up", so her stone-cold objectivity is nothing new.

 

[Mike Sixel]

Interesting choice, since the only new information about the story in Ms Feldman's tweet ("then the emboldened militiamen turned up"!) is false. The lone photo in the article she links to is of a person in militia dress is from 2017, the only sources listed regarding the need for a shutdown are Democrats, and the article admits that Republicans wanted nothing to do with the militia and rejected their offer of "protection".

 

But I'm glad you posted it anyway, since Ms Feldman lists her job at LAT as "investigative reporter", and I thinks it's instructive to note that LAT is willing to staff that position with a person who either made up a story from a file photo or knowingly gave false information.

 

Then again, a brief perusal of her tweets shows gems like this podcast recommendation: "An extremely good case for banning men", and this: "I'd like to see a list of white men who just keep failing up". so her stone-cold objectivity is nothing new.

She's also not my favorite.....

[LaBombo]

 

 

The Oregon GOP is even proud of this...

 

https://twitter.com/Oregon_GOP/status/1142619631095439360

 

"Opponents of House Bill 2020 hold rally on Oregon Capitol steps as Senate Democrats flee the building" is the original caption of the same photo in the GOP twitter timeline. There are no weapons or militia uniforms visible in the photo, which is apparently from a protest earlier in the week. Quite a few appear to be loggers, who are protesting Democrats' efforts legislate their livelihoods out of existence.

 

The second tweet of the photo, the one which you posted, was a swipe at false stories like the one posted by Pseudo. The giveaway is the followup tweet that answers the query "Like with guns?" with the reply "like with signs and posters"

[Mike Sixel]

 

"Opponents of House Bill 2020 hold rally on Oregon Capitol steps as Senate Democrats flee the building" is the original caption of the same photo in the GOP twitter timeline. There are no weapons or militia uniforms visible in the photo, which is apparently from a protest earlier in the week. Quite a few appear to be loggers, who are protesting Democrats' efforts legislate their livelihoods out of existence.

 

The second tweet of the photo, the one which you posted, was a swipe at false stories like the one posted by Pseudo. The giveaway is the followup tweet that answers the query "Like with guns?" with the reply "like with signs and posters"

 

I guess I had not realized it was satire, but I believe you are correct. OTOH, mocking the dems, well, that's what bullies do. 

 

Living here, the GOP is not exactly interested in solving any problems, other than lowering taxes and removing any regulation related to clean air, water, land. Other than that? I guess anti abortion.