Minor League/prospect rehab updates 2018

[Doctor Wu]

Thinking ahead already towards the 2018 season. I'm wondering what the status is for some of the several players who missed all or a portion of this past season. Players such as Nick Burdi, Alex Kiriloff, Tyler Jay, and J. T. Chargois come immediately to mind. Will these guys be ready for the start of the next season?

[Old Twins Cap]

What about May?

[Heezy1323]

My $0.02:

 

Burdi- TJ in late May: typically around a 12-18 month recovery. I suspect he will be ramping up before the AS break, hopefully if everything goes smoothly he would be available to MLB club 2nd half of season. Will be interesting to see if the TJ returners are put on an innings limit by Falvine.

 

Kiriloff- TJ about March 9: Of course, it is less strenuous on a position player's elbow after TJ than a pitcher. Usually they can hit after around 4-5 months and I would be hopeful he would be ready to go next spring.

 

Tyler Jay- surgery for TOS in early July?: TOS is always a difficult prognosis because of the relative rarity of the surgery (compared to TJ, for example) and the wide variability in previous cases. Hard to make prediction. Seems possible that he may be ready for ST, but I wouldn't be surprised if he needs a little more time than that.

 

JT Chargois- 'out for season 9/5': had a hard time finding info- don't see anything that says he had surgery. Stress reaction of elbow is what I could find. Can be a very wide variation in timing depending on a number of factors. Hopefully a few months is enough time, but I have seen some cases take longer.

 

Trevor May- TJ in late March: Same as Burdi, just with the timetable moved ahead a couple months. I think it will be asking a lot to have him in the rotation out of ST, but it's certainly possible. 

[DocBauer]

If I remember correctly, Jay rehashed and avoided surgery before sneaking in some A ball innings late in the year. Weren't there rumors he was going to be added to the AFL?

[Rosterman]

Tyler Jay is, indeed, on the Arizona Fall League roster of Surprise.

 

If Trevor May comes back in spring training, I doubt that he will be ramped up to enter the rotation immediately. Whatever the Twins can get out of him in 2018, be it long or short relief, would be a blessing. And thoughts of a return to the rotation after that.

 

With Kiriloff, what level will he start at when he comes back is the big question. I'm sure he's training hard to keep himself in position in the Twins prosect race.

 

Chargois' status is totally unknown by me. Anyone have any news? Also, Zack Jones...is he a viable guy to bring back into the organization for yet another season?

 

Ryan O'Rourke seems to be on the road to recovery. The question is, will his left-handed uniqueness keep him on the 40-man? I would keep him, at this point, almost over say, Boshers.

 

 

Good old Mr. Hughes. I imagine a hard decision has to be made to keep him on the 40-man, since last rumored that his injury MAY be career ending. Two more years under contract for him.

 

40-man roster decisions will be interesting. You can't have too many injury recoveries and too many not-ready-for-bigtime-yet prospects on the 40-man, yet you still have to protect them. That's where the possibility of swinging trades this past summer could've been a viable factor (imagine the Twins with Verlander, perhaps).

 

 

[Bob Sacamento]

Since someone asked, I was just at the complex this weekend as the short-team "Instructs" roster was set to be done on Saturday (Cabbage, Blankenhorn, Gordon, Palacios, Hamilton, English, Navarato, Rortvedt, Baddoo, Jaylin Davis).  While there I saw several of the rehab pitchers: Nick Burdi, JT Chagois, Kam Mickoli, as well as Johan Quezada.  In addition to those players another 20 or so were are in camp (Royce Lewis, John Rodriguez, Moises Gomez, etc) for strength and conditioning program that goes on for the next two weeks then followed by another group working out at the complex for another three weeks.

[Dantes929]

 

What about May?

What about Sano?

[Squirrel]

 

What about Sano?

Last I checked Sano isn't a minor leaguer. Neither is May. Probably why neither were on this list.

[Dantes929]

 

Last I checked Sano isn't a minor leaguer. Neither is May. Probably why neither were on this list.

I must have missed the part that says it is a minor league rehab update.    In fact I am still missing it.    May was the the first name I was looking for.    I'm really hoping for him to come back awesome.

[drjim]

 

I must have missed the part that says it is a minor league rehab update.    In fact I am still missing it.    May was the the first name I was looking for.    I'm really hoping for him to come back awesome.

 

It's in the minor league forum.

[old nurse]

 

It's in the minor league forum.

When there are recent responses in the thread  it shows up on the right of the main screen under the forums.  No notation as to which sub forum it is in to guide a person so as to limit  the conversation.

[Dantes929]

 

It's in the minor league forum.

 

When there are recent responses in the thread  it shows up on the right of the main screen under the forums.  No notation as to which sub forum it is in to guide a person so as to limit  the conversation.

Well thank you both.   Clears it up for me.

[Squirrel]

I must have missed the part that says it is a minor league rehab update. In fact I am still missing it. May was the the first name I was looking for. I'm really hoping for him to come back awesome.

It's posted in the minor league forum, and with the absence of major leaguers on the list, I guess I made that assumption. But you are correct that nothing explicitly says so ... except the title which I've now just changed.

[Vanimal46]

It sure would be nice to get a recap on Tyler Jay's season. It was very strange that he was slated for TOS surgery, then elected not to have it. Is he fully recovered now? Did he just delay the inevitable that could hinder his 2018 season?

Not sure it's smart to hope and rely on prospects who have lost multiple seasons due to arm injuries... Chargois is now going on 3 lost seasons, Burdi 2. 

[Loosey]

Trevor May Update:

 

[iastfan112]

Based on his Twitch streams at least May has felt pretty good about his rehab thus far. Could tell he was bummed about not being able to contribute to the Wild Card push though.

[Bob Sacamento]

 

It sure would be nice to get a recap on Tyler Jay's season. It was very strange that he was slated for TOS surgery, then elected not to have it. Is he fully recovered now? Did he just delay the inevitable that could hinder his 2018 season?

Not sure it's smart to hope and rely on prospects who have lost multiple seasons due to arm injuries... Chargois is now going on 3 lost seasons, Burdi 2. 

 

TOS surgery doesn't exactly have a good success rate, it's up there with labrum and anterior capsule operations.  Currently Tyler is undergoing conservative physical rehab/therapy on the shoulder and I've seen it work, I've also seen it fail.  But what it does tell is that it's the brachial plexus (the nerves) that is bothersome and likely causing tingling and numbness into his fingers.  It also signals that the subclavian vascularizaiton isn't being comprimised (no loss of blood supply to the hand/fingers.  When vascular is jacked up, surgery is a must; but if it's just nerve irritation that can be relieved with undergoing the knife.

[Vanimal46]

 

TOS surgery doesn't exactly have a good success rate, it's up there with labrum and anterior capsule operations.  Currently Tyler is undergoing conservative physical rehab/therapy on the shoulder and I've seen it work, I've also seen it fail.  But what it does tell is that it's the brachial plexus (the nerves) that is bothersome and likely causing tingling and numbness into his fingers.  It also signals that the subclavian vascularizaiton isn't being comprimised (no loss of blood supply to the hand/fingers.  When vascular is jacked up, surgery is a must; but if it's just nerve irritation that can be relieved with undergoing the knife.

 

Thanks for the input. So with conservative physical therapy the symptoms could go away? Or will that tingling and numbness feeling always be there? 

[Kevin]

 

 When vascular is jacked up, surgery is a must; but if it's just nerve irritation that can be relieved with undergoing the knife.

Without undergoing the knife?

[NoCryingInBaseball]

 

Since someone asked, I was just at the complex this weekend as the short-team "Instructs" roster was set to be done on Saturday (Cabbage, Blankenhorn, Gordon, Palacios, Hamilton, English, Navarato, Rortvedt, Baddoo, Jaylin Davis).  While there I saw several of the rehab pitchers: Nick Burdi, JT Chagois, Kam Mickoli, as well as Johan Quezada.  In addition to those players another 20 or so were are in camp (Royce Lewis, John Rodriguez, Moises Gomez, etc) for strength and conditioning program that goes on for the next two weeks then followed by another group working out at the complex for another three weeks.

 

Thanks for the update on who's there Bob, I enjoy the information!

[Bob Sacamento]

 

Without undergoing the knife?

Yes without undergoing, tried editting the post but was denied.

[Bob Sacamento]

 

Thanks for the input. So with conservative physical therapy the symptoms could go away? Or will that tingling and numbness feeling always be there? 

Yes, depending on the severity and the rehab/therapy it could go away or at the very least minimize.  Then again it could reoccur or worsen.  Now I don't know if Jay has had this issue in the past but it's likely he's had it or something similar just to a lesser degree as it usually just doesn't appear out of nowhere.  Then again he also "started" for the first time in 2016 something he did only twice in college.  Whether the correlation has causation that's debatable with no real answer.  

 

  Honestly, I'd look to see how Ty Jay is used in the AFL as his future use.  I have to believe the Twins are regulating him to the pen in the future with the thought that he can become more or less a "super reliever" if his TOS symptoms subside.  Someone who if he has to, can give you 40 to 50 pitches, a Chris Devanski-Andrew Miller type pitcher.   If healthy, he'd give the Falvey/Levine Co. a nice pen option in the 2018 second half.

[Thrylos]

 

 

, Kam Mickoli,

 

 

He is 34 or so; wonder why he is still around

[Bob Sacamento]

 

He is 34 or so; wonder why he is still around

I have no idea, maybe terms of his agreement, but he's pretty damn hard to miss.  Giant with a gnome beard.

[Deduno Abides]

I have no idea, maybe terms of his agreement, but he's pretty damn hard to miss.  Giant with a gnome beard.

What about Kohn? He seemed like a veteran rehab candidate who moved up as the season went on and did OK. He once supposedly had a power arm.

[Bob Sacamento]

 

Thanks for the update on who's there Bob, I enjoy the information!

No problem, at this point it's just literally a drive by albeit multiple times thru the complex.  This weekend the Centurylink backfields were filled with the Perfect Game World Underclass players, basically the new wave of future MLBers and first rounders in two to three years.  

 

Couple of personal stories, I'l give from over the weekend.  I make no bones of my affinity for Nick Gordon, I've seen him play since his sophomore year in high school, and let's just say he remembers at this point. While getting him to sign some old pictures, I asked him about being able to hit his dad, Tom "Flash" Gordon, nasty curveball.  He just gave me a smile and said you'll have to ask him, he's around here somewhere.  When I ran into Tom around the corner, I asked him and he gave me a half cocked smile and asked "what did Nick tell you?"  I told him and he said to ask you, Tom said "I've thrown them that since he was kid, why do you think they (Nick and Dee) hit left handed."  Tom laughs awhile.

 

My other interaction was with Travis Blankenhorn, Royce Lewis and Jaylin Davis.  Royce saw me coming with my autobook and was trying to bail away but I had nothing for him and I wanted the other two for some old photos. As I asked for Blanky and JayD to sign, Royce did a vee-line back to see what they were signing and both players told "that bum prospect to get away, no one wants your autograph".

 

Alright last story, total eavesdropping, Coach Joe Lepel was talking about fungos as MiLB hitting coach Rick Eckstein instituted a new game of having the hitters retrieve balls in the outfield and hit them back into the infield which the players absolutely loved and Eckstein said was working on our ball to barrel ratio .  Lepel recalled an encounter he had with Molitor and his fungo work.  If you don't know, Molly is known for his poor ability to hit a fungo in practice.  Lepel said "I asked Molly, how can someone who has over 3000 hits in the big leagues can't hit a fungo to save his life?"  According to Joe, Molitor's reply was a stone cold face saying "How many hits in the show do you have?"

[The Wise One]

 

He is 34 or so; wonder why he is still around

AAA depth. He is a current FO signing so he might have a history of pitching their style.It always helps to have someone around to sell the system on the inside    The Indian way with technology, stats, fastball second, curve first mentality is a lot different then the old ways

[Doctor Wu]

Some very informative replies, guys, thanks for that. I'll also be interested in seeing how they use Tyler Jay during this upcoming AFL season. How many games will the team play in the AFL?

[Obsvr]

 

 

 

 Molitor's reply was a stone cold face saying "How many hits in the show do you have?"

 

I like to think that this is his stock reply for anybody in the FO who disagrees with him.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

Since someone asked, I was just at the complex this weekend as the short-team "Instructs" roster was set to be done on Saturday (Cabbage, Blankenhorn, Gordon, Palacios, Hamilton, English, Navarato, Rortvedt, Baddoo, Jaylin Davis).  While there I saw several of the rehab pitchers: Nick Burdi, JT Chagois, Kam Mickoli, as well as Johan Quezada.  In addition to those players another 20 or so were are in camp (Royce Lewis, John Rodriguez, Moises Gomez, etc) for strength and conditioning program that goes on for the next two weeks then followed by another group working out at the complex for another three weeks.

Since someone asked, I was just at the complex this weekend as the short-team "Instructs" roster was set to be done on Saturday (Cabbage, Blankenhorn, Gordon, Palacios, Hamilton, English, Navarato, Rortvedt, Baddoo, Jaylin Davis).  While there I saw several of the rehab pitchers: Nick Burdi, JT Chagois, Kam Mickoli, as well as Johan Quezada.  In addition to those players another 20 or so were are in camp (Royce Lewis, John Rodriguez, Moises Gomez, etc) for strength and conditioning program that goes on for the next two weeks then followed by another group working out at the complex for another three weeks.

Bob Sacamento (or B.S. for short) Thanks for this update. I always enjoy hearing your perspectives, since you are there in Ft. Myers and especially since you have injury treatment knowledge due to your profession, that none of the rest of us have. I'll always remember meeting you last year and telling you I had pitched in high school and that I was starting to throw softball with my 11 year old stepdaughter. You asked one question with a big grin on your face: "How's your shoulder?" You somehow knew my shoulder was killing me...and you told me you had seen that happen many times in your profession. You were spot on. I'll look for you at Ft. Myers in March. I'll contact you and let you know when we will be coming to Ft. Myers.