When you think that Souhan has reached low...

[Tomj14]

 

Wrong.

 

The Baltimore Ravens GM and coach wanted to sign him. The owner overruled them. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20226590/baltimore-ravens-coach-gm-support-colin-kaepernick-signing-owner-resistant

 

This isn't about winning and losing. 

The head line seems misleading

 

"Sources say at least one other NFL team has wanted to add Kaepernick to its roster, but the move was blocked by the team's owner."

 

"We are going through a process, and we have not made a decision," the statement said. "Steve Bisciotti has not told us we cannot sign Colin Kaepernick, nor has he blocked the move. Whoever is making those claims is wrong."

 

I haven't heard anybody else get cut or not signed because they didn't stand for the anthem?

[gocgo]

I've always thought Kaepernick was athletic, but not particularly accurate or a very cerebral QB.

[Shane Wahl]

Kap should have been signed immediately after the Bradford injury. This is obvious. End of story. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

The head line seems misleading

 

"Sources say at least one other NFL team has wanted to add Kaepernick to its roster, but the move was blocked by the team's owner."

 

"We are going through a process, and we have not made a decision," the statement said. "Steve Bisciotti has not told us we cannot sign Colin Kaepernick, nor has he blocked the move. Whoever is making those claims is wrong."

 

I haven't heard anybody else get cut or not signed because they didn't stand for the anthem?

Because this is pretty clearly about Kaepernick, not anybody else.

[ThejacKmp]

 

+1

 

The timing of "his protest" coincided with the news that SF was considering releasing him (from a bloated contract).  There was considerable turmoil in the SF team given their "fall from grace". 

 

The first game he "protested"--nobody said a word!  K. then announced to all--"I'm protesting!".  Said protests continued--but K. wasn't redirecting the commentary about him to "his issue" (alleged race-specific police brutality), but instead made the entire issue about him (his protest) specifically.  No longer were the brutalized the victim--Kaepernick was the "victim".

 

The SF football was euchured by Kaepernick into keeping on its payroll all-season for fear of a wrongful termination lawsuit. 

 

So if you want an example of a "me first" guy on your team (out shining AP in that category)--well he's all yours.  But, to expect K. to fix MV's offensive line weakness is unfathomable. 

 

This is so factually incorrect it's not even funny.

 

1.) There was never a fear of a wrongful termination suit. The NFL doesn't work that way. They could release him at any time and no one can say anything - it has built in release language.

 

2.) San Francisco was afraid to play him because he had a clause where they couldn't release him due to injury. If they played him and he broke his leg and never could play again, they'd be on the hook for his whole contract. They're a bad team (CK was uneven and never the problem -- just maybe not the solutions) and they wanted to remain flexible. He agreed to redo his contract so that that language would matter. He got to play (and played well) and wouldn't be sat to avoid injury.

 

3.) Again, CK was never the problem with the fall from grace. Their defense got old and aged and their skill position players aged. They drafted poorly. CK certainly didn't keep them amazing (very few QBs can do that, he isn't one of those) but he wasn't the reason they sucked.

 

4.) The 49ers players, many of whom disagreed with him, voted him their biggest award last year. That kind of speaks against him being a me first guy who can't fit with a team. 

 

5.) He never said he was protesting. He sat on the bench for a preseason game and no one noticed. A reporter noticed the second time and asked him, he told they guy his beliefs. Then it went nuts like news does in 2017. He didn't call press conferences or publicize it. He's made no money off of it. You can disagree with his beliefs but calling him disingenuous is pretty b.s. and outs you as someone who just doesn't like him.

 

6.) He absolutely talked about the issues and never made it about him. He altered his protest after talking to a military member. He talked about charities that supported his cause and donated $1 million to them without fanfare or broadcasted check presentations -- one of them just got a check for $50,000 in the mail out of the blue, he never even called to say he was making the donation.

 

Get your facts straight. Your opinion is worthless without them.

[ThejacKmp]

 

I hated Favre a bit less, and I was certainly happy to accommodate his vendetta against his former team. (No, not the Jets.) I know plenty of #4 jerseys sold, but I certainly never owned one. One thing about Favre is the hate as 100% football hate, not personal.   

 

I dunno, the hate for me was also a bit personal. He was such a ginormous douche. And that harassing the Jets reporter was pretty awful. If the NFL was serious about the way people treat women (hint, they aren't) they'd have cared more when a woman associated with the league was harassed by a star QB. 

[ThejacKmp]

 

If the Favre comparison is perfect then Kaepernick must have been loved in San Fran, he was "their guy" right? Oh but he was drummed out of town there, some love... Do you have a valid comparison involving a player who was reviled nationwide for his politics and judgement on displaying those views suddenly becoming loved in a new city?

 

It's actually a great comparison. Favre and CK were beloved during the period the team was doing well. Then the team started not performing up to fan expectations (Packers not going deep in playoffs, 49ers not making playoffs) and then fans turned on them. Then they moved on with some animosity. That's when the story changes. The aging white QB who abused drugs and sexually harassed an NFL reporter was given a plum starting job and had a dominant year. The young black QB who has done nothing except invoke his right to protest was drummed out of the league. What better example is there?

 

Ali is another example. He was a hated man for being a Muslim and not serving in the military (like CK it would have been easier to keep his mouth shut, he wasn't going to the front lines). Then, as people's view of Vietnam changed and Ali came back and fought some of the best fights of all time, he became a beloved figure. That good enough?

There aren't other ones. You know why? Because when Curt Flood, Craig Hodges, Tommie Smith and John Carlos protested, they had the same thing that has happened to CK happen to them. Pro sports is inherently conservative and the owners have a century of treating the players (white and black but mostly black) as hired help that should know it's place. Get in the way of that and they railroad you.

 

Thoughts? Sorry it took me a few days to respond. 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

 

this is in the vikings forum......

I didn't even know there was a Vikings forum. I responded to what I found on Twins Daily. Sorry for offending you Vikings' fans. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

I didn't even know there was a Vikings forum. I responded to what I found on Twins Daily. Sorry for offending you Vikings' fans. 

 

ha, no offense. I think this happened a few years ago also. I was just letting you know.

 

And yes, I'm more interested in teh Twins' hopes right now for sure!

[The Wise One]

 

What a jaded view of what he's doing. If he had just shut up, and let the world be less than he wants it to be (just what most of politicians and the wealthy want from workers), he'd be a starter or well paid back up some place. This is no different than how Ali was treated, some 50 years ago. 50 years, and we still think that people who peacefully protest for what they think is right are bad people....

I said nothing about his protest, nor the value of it. One very effective way of alienating people and ending dialog is to attach a position to them and then make statements about it. In effecting change Kapernick is better off on the speaking circuit and claiming being blackballed than as a backup somewhere buried on a bench.  The last 2 years he was not the first choice as a starter on a bad team.  He is being managed well for his image. You, and the people who have agreed with you are the proof of that.

[Craig Arko]

 

I said nothing about his protest, nor the value of it. One very effective way of alienating people and ending dialog is to attach a position to them and then make statements about it. In effecting change Kapernick is better off on the speaking circuit and claiming being blackballed than as a backup somewhere buried on a bench.  The last 2 years he was not the first choice as a starter on a bad team.  He is being managed well for his image. You, and the people who have agreed with you are the proof of that.

Another way of quickly alienating people is to lump them all together without regard to actual content. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

I said nothing about his protest, nor the value of it. One very effective way of alienating people and ending dialog is to attach a position to them and then make statements about it. In effecting change Kapernick is better off on the speaking circuit and claiming being blackballed than as a backup somewhere buried on a bench.  The last 2 years he was not the first choice as a starter on a bad team.  He is being managed well for his image. You, and the people who have agreed with you are the proof of that.

 

ha, way to assume the worst !

 

Maybe I misunderstood you...because that's how I read what you said. Did you consider maybe this medium isn't great at understanding each other? That maybe I sincerely read your statement that way?

[The Wise One]

 

ha, way to assume the worst !

 

Maybe I misunderstood you...because that's how I read what you said. Did you consider maybe this medium isn't great at understanding each other? That maybe I sincerely read your statement that way?

IDK. Somebody made a comment that Kapernick making  no money and should sign for backup money. I wrote why it was not necessary for him to work anywhere he could.  You took it somewhere else with meaning that you attached to the comment. Misread?  How about attaching meaning to something because you want to. Is it the thought that maybe someone does not want to play football in a bad location, in a bad environment leading to a loss of platform too hard of a concept for some? . He is far better playing victim

[Mike Sixel]

 

IDK. Somebody made a comment that Kapernick making money and should sign for backup money. I wrote why it was not necessary for him to work anywhere he could.  You took it somewhere else with meaning that you attached to the comment. Misread?  How about attaching meaning to something because you want to. Is it the thought that maybe someone does not want to play football in a bad location, in a bad environment leading to a loss of platform. He is far better playing victim

 

I don't "want to attach" meaning that isn't there. It's just not my personality. I misunderstood your post while reading it quickly while working. Sorry if it offended you. 

[spanman2]

 

Sounds like a good idea to me, too

Gotta love Vin...fantastic quote by the legend!

[old nurse]

 

Anyone that thinks Kaep is not one of the 60 best QBs on the planet probably isn't being honest with themselves in their assessment of him as a player only......

 

As for his stance, I always thought we were fighting FOR the right to free speech out there in the world. We should be celebrating him, whether we agree with him or not.

Those that do not see that Kapernik needs the right o-line, a play action offense, and a good deep receivers  to be a  productive qb isn't much of a football fan. Norv Turner has left the house. and there are not as many teams running that scheme. At times Kapernick looks like a top 10 QB, Then there are times he looks like Holly Neher's backup.

[Dozier's Glorious Hair]

I think Souhan should've waited a week before dumping on Keenum. He looked damn good today.  

[ashbury]

One very effective way of alienating people and ending dialog is to attach a position to them and then make statements about it. In effecting change Kapernick is better off on the speaking circuit and claiming being blackballed than as a backup somewhere buried on a bench. 

Interesting. In effect you're attaching a position to Kaepernick, by telling him what he's better off doing, when you don't actually know what he's trying to accomplish. I hope you don't alienate him.

 

For as long as I can remember, when someone stands up to air a grievance, there are those who reflexively say, "sit down, you're rockin' the boat".

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJq7J2uzSlc

[old nurse]

 

Kap should have been signed immediately after the Bradford injury. This is obvious. End of story. 

Not really that obvious after Sunday

 

[The Wise One]

 

Interesting. In effect you're attaching a position to Kaepernick, by telling him what he's better off doing, when you don't actually know what he's trying to accomplish. I hope you don't alienate him.

 

For as long as I can remember, when someone stands up to air a grievance, there are those who reflexively say, "sit down, you're rockin' the boat".

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJq7J2uzSlc

The grievance I aired was that Kapernick does not have to work,  has other options for making money, and has a better platform by being viewed as locked out. Reflexively people are saying shut up to those comments. 

[Mike Sixel]

It's all about the OLine.....and it helps that Case got more practice time obviously. But if the OLine can block, they should be good.

[ashbury]

The grievance I aired was that Kapernick does not have to work,  has other options for making money, and has a better platform by being viewed as locked out.

That's not a grievance. You are in no way harmed by any of those things.

 

Neither, for that matter, are any of those things the source of Kaepernick's taking a knee during the National Anthem. The first is a consequence of his working hard for a particular employer; the other two are a consequence of his message resonating.

 

The grievance itself is, in his words, "a country that oppresses black people and people of color". I daresay he has standing to air that grievance, on behalf of others as well as himself.

 

What you presumed to air is petty by comparison.

[The Wise One]

 

That's not a grievance. You are in no way harmed by any of those things.

 

Neither, for that matter, are any of those things the source of Kaepernick's taking a knee during the National Anthem. The first is a consequence of his working hard for a particular employer; the other two are a consequence of his message resonating.

 

The grievance itself is, in his words, "a country that oppresses black people and people of color". I daresay he has standing to air that grievance, on behalf of others as well as himself.

 

What you presumed to air is petty by comparison.

You would have to look long and hard and you will still not find a spot where I say it is wrong for him to take a knee. Pettiness is attaching a viewpoint to someone's post that is not there. That is the bane of message boards. Not many are immune to it or doing it. If you wish to discuss my point that he is better off painting himself as locked out and victimized than a backup qb for some miserable team, that would be fine. If you want to discuss my origional point that he can still make money as a speaker and that he has more than enough money that he does not have to take a job as a backup on a miserable team, that would be fine. If you have some idea as to why Eric Reid who started with Kapernick taking a knee and has never caught flack for it, that would be informative. The attention has always been Kapernick, narry a bad word directed at Reid. 

[ashbury]

If you wish to discuss my point that he is better off painting himself as locked out

I have no interest in the distraction of discussing what he is better off doing. He is doing what he is doing. There never is a shortage of people telling a protester he is doing it wrong.

[The Wise One]

 

I have no interest in the distraction of discussing what he is better off doing. He is doing what he is doing. There never is a shortage of people telling a protester he is doing it wrong.

You are right that there is no shortage of people saying he is doing it wrong. IMO he is doing it right. He is kept himself in the limelight.