When you think that Souhan has reached low...

[jimbo92107]

 

  On 9/18/2017 at 11:36 PM, drock2190 said:

Wow. You sir, just jumped to a lot of conclusions. Not everything is about racism.

You're right, this isn't all about racism. It's also about the rich ruling over the hired help. If it were about merit, Kaepernick would be playing. If it were about patriotism, what's more patriotic than a public protest? 

 

I sir, believe my eyeballs. 

[drock2190]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 12:19 AM, jimbo92107 said:

You're right, this isn't all about racism. It's also about the rich ruling over the hired help. If it were about merit, Kaepernick would be playing. If it were about patriotism, what's more patriotic than a public protest? 

 

I sir, believe my eyeballs. 

 

You make a bit more sense in this post. It's the drama he brings with him, is why he doesn't have a job. He could be white and the owners wouldn't want to bring him in. His skin color has NOTHING to do with it so its not about them being racist.

[jimbo92107]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 12:31 AM, drock2190 said:

You make a bit more sense in this post. It's the drama he brings with him, is why he doesn't have a job. He could be white and the owners wouldn't want to bring him in. His skin color has NOTHING to do with it so its not about them being racist.

Drama, ah yes, the other excuse. Fascinating how certain kinds of drama are so injurious to certain kinds of snowflakes. Unfortunately, I've heard it all too many times. All we can really conclude is...

 

Whoops, looks like we've run out of time, Drock. This issue will just have to wait. It's just not the time to discuss it. Like global warming!

[Platoon]

If one HAS to stand for the National Anthem or show visible deference to the flag, then that which they represent doesn't actually exist. If you check the Webster, the word "freedom" doesn't have qualifiers. That's not to say one has to approve or endorse protests or displays. But, such disapproval should not be couched in terms hiding ones real thoughts. No one actually thought crossing the Edmund Pettis bridge was a safety hazard. They just didn't like the people doing it. And anyone suggesting that KP is not playing in the NFL for any other reason than his protests is not being realistic.

[drock2190]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 12:38 AM, jimbo92107 said:

Drama, ah yes, the other excuse. Fascinating how certain kinds of drama are so injurious to certain kinds of snowflakes. Unfortunately, I've heard it all too many times. All we can really conclude is...

 

Whoops, looks like we've run out of time, Drock. This issue will just have to wait. It's just not the time to discuss it. Like global warming!

 

No problem. I'm far from a snowflake though. You won't see me protesting in the streets

[ashbury]

  On 9/18/2017 at 9:58 PM, jkcarew said:

goat rodeo

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[gil4]

  Quote

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20597810/ray-lewis-said-baltimore-ravens-sign-colin-kaepernick-girlfriend-racist-tweethttp://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20597810/ray-lewis-said-baltimore-ravens-sign-colin-kaepernick-girlfriend-racist-tweet

 

Souhan:  The NFL has conspiratorially blackballed Kaepernick for kneeling during the national anthem to protest the unjustified shootings of black Americans by police.

Some owners don’t want him on their team, wrongly conflating a peaceful protest with an attack on our country or our soldiers. Some owners, general managers and coaches don’t want the headache of Kaepernick’s presence and news conferences.

 I'm not sure he has been "conspiratorially blackballed" when there are reports he still wants starter money, which isn't going to happen. I'm also not sure he cares whether or not the shootings he protests are justifiable or not. 

 

There  was also the bridge he burned with the Ravens- yes, it was his girlfriend's tweet, not his, but if someone close to you is saying stuff like that you either renounce it or you own it. He owns it. (It's not like it was a crazy uncle he sees every three years - it was his girlfriend.) I'm also not sure if he was ever seriously considered in Miami when Tannehill got hurt, but that Fidel Castro shirt wasn't going to play well there.

 

 

My opinion has softened a bit, partly because he has indicated that he will stand for the national anthem this year if he plays.  I'm not sure he fits the  Vikings' scheme (although I'm no expert,and maybe that's not an issue.  His skill set if different from that of Bradford and Keenum - part of that is the fact he has two functioning knees, which neither of them can claim. 

 

 

 

 

 

[gil4]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 12:39 AM, Platoon said:

If one HAS to stand for the National Anthem or show visible deference to the flag, then that which they represent doesn't actually exist. If you check the Webster, the word "freedom" doesn't have qualifiers. That's not to say one has to approve or endorse protests or displays. But, such disapproval should not be couched in terms hiding ones real thoughts. No one actually thought crossing the Edmund Pettis bridge was a safety hazard. They just didn't like the people doing it. And anyone suggesting that KP is not playing in the NFL for any other reason than his protests is not being realistic. Or honest.

If you choose to offend a significant portion of your employer's customers while you are at work, don't be shocked if you are no longer employed and if similar employers with similar customers decide not to hire you.  He does't HAVE to stand for the national anthem - he's free to go start his own league.

[gil4]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 12:38 AM, jimbo92107 said:

Drama, ah yes, the other excuse. Fascinating how certain kinds of drama are so injurious to certain kinds of snowflakes. Unfortunately, I've heard it all too many times. All we can really conclude is...

 

Whoops, looks like we've run out of time, Drock. This issue will just have to wait. It's just not the time to discuss it. Like global warming!

 

Ask Tim Tebow how much drama teams tolerate from back-up QBs.

[gil4]

 

  On 9/18/2017 at 6:41 PM, ThejacKmp said:

Favre was actually hated, not disagreed with. I have never known an opposing player that MN sports fans have ever hated more. Then he became a Viking and people raced out to buy his jersey and crow at their Packer fan friends with every win. People dropped that hate in a second because sports has a "my guy" aspect that is hard to resist. If a player makes your team better you like him. 

I hated Favre a bit less, and I was certainly happy to accommodate his vendetta against his former team. (No, not the Jets.) I know plenty of #4 jerseys sold, but I certainly never owned one. One thing about Favre is the hate as 100% football hate, not personal.   

 

[drock2190]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 3:12 AM, gil4 said:

Ask Tim Tebow how much drama teams tolerate from back-up QBs.

 

Tim Tebow was pretty low key, the media hyped him up. He didn't have the arm talent otherwise he would be on a roster.

[Platoon]

  On 9/19/2017 at 3:10 AM, gil4 said:

If you choose to offend a significant portion of your employer's customers while you are at work, don't be shocked if you are no longer employed and if similar employers with similar customers decide not to hire you.  He does't HAVE to stand for the national anthem - he's free to go start his own league.

And my point was that the powers that be don't have to employ him, nor do the customers have to like him. But since they do employ and cheer for a wide variety of felons already, not employing someone who simply doesn't stand for the Anthem seems sort of strange. Btw, Tim Tebow likely couldn't carry KP helmet.

[ashbury]

Moderator's note: Folks, I've needed to take action on multiple posts so far in this thread. Three so far. Please don't be the fourth. Keep the discussion respectful toward others.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

  On 9/18/2017 at 11:58 PM, Kwak said:

+1

 

The timing of "his protest" coincided with the news that SF was considering releasing him (from a bloated contract).  There was considerable turmoil in the SF team given their "fall from grace". 

 

The first game he "protested"--nobody said a word!  K. then announced to all--"I'm protesting!".  Said protests continued--but K. wasn't redirecting the commentary about him to "his issue" (alleged race-specific police brutality), but instead made the entire issue about him (his protest) specifically.  No longer were the brutalized the victim--Kaepernick was the "victim".

 

The SF football was euchured by Kaepernick into keeping on its payroll all-season for fear of a wrongful termination lawsuit. 

 

So if you want an example of a "me first" guy on your team (out shining AP in that category)--well he's all yours.  But, to expect K. to fix MV's offensive line weakness is unfathomable. 

I think we disagree, actually. Turns out Kaepernick actually wasn't seeking out the attention (which I didn't realize) but the attention certainly found him.  

 

I know some people just want to bash him without listening to what he has to say, so, here is a link that corrects the timeline you gave, and gives some other really good background information on what the heck this is about. 

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/9/11/12869726/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest-seahawks-brandon-marshall-nfl

 

 

[Kwak]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 7:53 PM, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

I think we disagree, actually. Turns out Kaepernick actually wasn't seeking out the attention (which I didn't realize) but the attention certainly found him.  

 

I know some people just want to bash him without listening to what he has to say, so, here is a link that corrects the timeline you gave, and gives some other really good background information on what the heck this is about. 

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/9/11/12869726/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest-seahawks-brandon-marshall-nfl

Your link doesn't support your statement.  Yes, many others protested in sympathy.  Part of the article referenced actually supports the assertion that Kaepernick was raising his own profile.  The article states the sharp-eye of the reporter who "noticed" K. in street clothes during the play of the anthem.  Was she "prompted" (like Souhan?) ?  There was no mention of the 49ers "fall from grace" and that ownership was considering "going in another direction".  Please recall that the 49ers did "change" head coaches.

 

 

[KirbyDome89]

 

  On 9/18/2017 at 2:08 PM, Mike Sixel said:

Anyone that thinks Kaep is not one of the 60 best QBs on the planet probably isn't being honest with themselves in their assessment of him as a player only......

 

As for his stance, I always thought we were fighting FOR the right to free speech out there in the world. We should be celebrating him, whether we agree with him or not.

In the right system, with the right coaches and players around him he looked like a top 5 QB for a while. But, that hasn't been Kaepernick the past few seasons. In reality he's a tough fit for many teams based on the offenses they run. Who knows what kind of money or deal he's looking for, but he has meet with multiple teams and nothing has come of it. I can't imagine the impasse is caused only by one side. His political activism absolutely is part of the reason he hasn't found a team, but it certainly isn't the only factor even though articles like Souhan's portray it as such.  

 

Agreed completely on his right to kneel. Like it or not he had the right to use the platform he had. I do think some of that same understanding should be shown to teams that decide not to give him that platform.

[The Wise One]

 

  On 9/18/2017 at 2:15 PM, Vanimal46 said:

Do we know what Kapernick's contract terms are? I would think he would accept backup money since it's better than nothing. And backup money is better money than 99% of the jobs he would get outside of football. 

He has been quiet about his contract demands. As he has earned over 30, closer to 40 million, money is not the primary motivator. As a "victim" he can book speaking fees at places. at 40k or more he can earn a lot of money that way. Left leaning organizations will book him. There are plenty of political people earning a healthy living that way. For the most part back ups earn 1-2 m a year. Not the great income that a starter makes. If he is a backup somewhere that has little potential to play, he loses attention. If he is on a bad team, he loses attention. Being a victim has more advantages than playing poorly for a poor team. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 12:35 PM, The Wise One said:

He has been quiet about his contract demands. As he has earned over 30, closer to 40 million, money is not the primary motivator. As a "victim" he can book speaking fees at places. at 40k or more he can earn a lot of money that way. Left leaning organizations will book him. There are plenty of political people earning a healthy living that way. For the most part back ups earn 1-2 m a year. Not the great income that a starter makes. If he is a backup somewhere that has little potential to play, he loses attention. If he is on a bad team, he loses attention. Being a victim has more advantages than playing poorly for a poor team. 

 

What a jaded view of what he's doing. If he had just shut up, and let the world be less than he wants it to be (just what most of politicians and the wealthy want from workers), he'd be a starter or well paid back up some place. This is no different than how Ali was treated, some 50 years ago. 50 years, and we still think that people who peacefully protest for what they think is right are bad people....

[mikelink45]

Not sure why this site spends so much time attacking Souhan.  Nothing kills a writer more than being ignored.  If you do not like him, don't read him, don't react.  This is a waste of time.

[Intramural Legend]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 12:19 AM, jimbo92107 said:

You're right, this isn't all about racism. It's also about the rich ruling over the hired help. If it were about merit, Kaepernick would be playing. If it were about patriotism, what's more patriotic than a public protest? 

 

I sir, believe my eyeballs. 

 

This is about value.  His on the field the field performance doesn't justify the distraction (right or wrong) that he bring to an organization.

 

 

[Vanimal46]

The whole "distraction" angle is so overblown in the NFL. How is peacefully protesting and raising awareness for a cause he believes in deeply such a distraction? And on the same note, a person that has domestic violence charges or criminal charges are not a distraction?

[Intramural Legend]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 4:57 PM, Vanimal46 said:

The whole "distraction" angle is so overblown in the NFL. How is peacefully protesting and raising awareness for a cause he believes in deeply such a distraction? And on the same note, a person that has domestic violence charges or criminal charges are not a distraction?

 

I agree what he is doing shouldn't be a distraction, hell it should be applauded.  

 

The reality is it will be a distraction.  Cameras from all sorts of news groups would be following everything about the team.  Every player on the team would be asked questions about one individual.

[Mike Sixel]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 5:04 PM, Intramural Legend said:

I agree what he is doing shouldn't be a distraction, hell it should be applauded.  

 

The reality is it will be a distraction.  Cameras from all sorts of news groups would be following everything about the team.  Every player on the team would be asked questions about one individual.

 

I agree with this. The media and fans have decided, not here but in the NFL in general, that this is a distraction, and hitting your kid with sticks is not. As witnessed by AP being on a roster (as a #3 RB), and CK not being on one. It's just reality.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

I personally don't care who plays QB for the Vikings. This isn't Vikings Daily. The Twins are in a pennant race. Come on guys!

[Mike Sixel]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 6:55 PM, tarheeltwinsfan said:

I personally don't care who plays QB for the Vikings. This isn't Vikings Daily. The Twins are in a pennant race. Come on guys!

 

this is in the vikings forum......

[Tomj14]

 

  On 9/19/2017 at 12:19 AM, jimbo92107 said:

You're right, this isn't all about racism. It's also about the rich ruling over the hired help. If it were about merit, Kaepernick would be playing. If it were about patriotism, what's more patriotic than a public protest? 

 

I sir, believe my eyeballs. 

It isn't about racism or the rich ruling over anybody. How many of us would be fired if we if we decided to protest on our companies dime?

I am all for him protesting and standing up for whatever he believes. It might be best to stay away from wearing communist t-shirts while doing so. 

[Tomj14]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 6:20 PM, Mike Sixel said:

I agree with this. The media and fans have decided, not here but in the NFL in general, that this is a distraction, and hitting your kid with sticks is not. As witnessed by AP being on a roster (as a #3 RB), and CK not being on one. It's just reality.

I have to disagree with this, he would be on somebody's roster if they thought he would help them win. The problem with him is he is a back up quarterback at this time and no team wants to have the news about their backup quarterback. 

There a bunch of players doing exactly what he did minus the pig socks and communist T-shirt and have jobs and the teams are backing them up.

[mazeville]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 7:40 PM, Tomj14 said:

I have to disagree with this, he would be on somebody's roster if they thought he would help them win. The problem with him is he is a back up quarterback at this time and no team wants to have the news about their backup quarterback. 

There a bunch of players doing exactly what he did minus the pig socks and communist T-shirt and have jobs and the teams are backing them up.

 

Wrong.

 

The Baltimore Ravens GM and coach wanted to sign him. The owner overruled them. 

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20226590/baltimore-ravens-coach-gm-support-colin-kaepernick-signing-owner-resistant

 

This isn't about winning and losing. 

[Vanimal46]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 5:04 PM, Intramural Legend said:

I agree what he is doing shouldn't be a distraction, hell it should be applauded.  

 

The reality is it will be a distraction.  Cameras from all sorts of news groups would be following everything about the team.  Every player on the team would be asked questions about one individual.

 

I hate that it is the reality in the NFL, but it's true. They pick and choose which distractions are worth it. 

As we all know, the Vikings accepted AP's "distractions" for far too long. Ray Rice was left out in the cold after assaulting his wife (?) but the reality was he was a declining RB... Greg Hardy is a very bad human being that was given about 9 lives in the NFL before he showed he can't get 10+ sacks anymore. I just really don't like the politics and morale of the NFL most of the time. I also don't like that I still choose to watch more football than I care to admit. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

  On 9/21/2017 at 7:40 PM, Tomj14 said:

I have to disagree with this, he would be on somebody's roster if they thought he would help them win. The problem with him is he is a back up quarterback at this time and no team wants to have the news about their backup quarterback. 

There a bunch of players doing exactly what he did minus the pig socks and communist T-shirt and have jobs and the teams are backing them up.

 

I read this as you agreeing with me....he's good enough to be a backup QB, but isn't one because he would be a distraction....not because he's not good enough.