Falvey

[Mr. Brooks]

First year for Falvey and people are calling for his head. Sheesh.

 

I agree with going with Melcville based on the DFA last night. But I would have started Gimenez.

Did anyone actually call for his head in this thread, let alone multiple people?

[yarnivek1972]

Okay, its a response like this that shows how shortsighted people are.

 

Slegers (Not an option unless you want a guy to make his second major league appearance on short rest).

 

Gonsalves (The only legitimate option on this list, but not a sure fire better bet than Melville. Long term, he's a better option, but Melville has been just as good as Gonsalves this year. There is no reason to assume Gonsalves would have given them a better chance in that game than Melville did. Plus, either one takes up a spot on the 40 man. Lets say they want to use that spot later. Probably feel okay risking melville on the 40 man, but once Gonsalves joins it, he's not going off it).

 

Duffey: Maybe an option if you want to go with a bullpen game, but he's not stretched out and you also screw up one of your key bullpen pieces for about 5 games.

 

Gibson: He could have pitched on short rest, but you have the SAME FREAKING ISSUE for Tuesdays game then.

 

And names you did not mention

Rosario has been in the bullpen since he was sent down.

Jorge would have eitehr had to be extremely short rest, or extremely long rest, both of which could be a detriment to him considering there is no evidence that he would have been any better than Melville.

If you use Gibson on short rest Monday, Slegers would be on normal rest Tuesday.

[drivlikejehu]

 

Did anyone actually call for his head in this thread, let alone multiple people?

 

If Falvey is hopelessly incompetent, then it's pretty bizarre to keep him around, is it not?

[Mr. Brooks]

If Falvey is hopelessly incompetent, then it's pretty bizarre to keep him around, is it not?

Where was that said in here?

[drivlikejehu]

 

Where was that said in here?

 

Seriously? I guess you want to play semantics games and claim the below mean something else --

 

"It baffles me that you are in strong wild card position and choose to start a pitcher that does knot have a
major league future. Are they playing games, or what?"

 

"This is what happens when ownership goes "cheap" on the GM search. These guys have done zero to help out this team for 2017 or the future. Unreal."

 

"No surprise that every GM candidate outside of 30 year old assistant for Cleveland and Rob Antony declined an interview for the job."

 

 

"The front office got too cute by half and it could very easily cost them a playoff spot."

[mikecgrimes]

I can't wait for peoples reaction when they get rid of Molitor.  You don't have to understand whats happening and you don't even have to give the right people credit.  It's almost as if people don't notice the lack of pitching throughout baseball.  2 very good pitchers dying changed the pitching depth league wide, Trying out so many pitchers has lead into stumbling onto moderate success while other teams aren't, advantage Twins.

[Mr. Brooks]

Seriously? I guess you want to play semantics games and claim the below mean something else --

 

"It baffles me that you are in strong wild card position and choose to start a pitcher that does knot have a

major league future. Are they playing games, or what?"

 

"This is what happens when ownership goes "cheap" on the GM search. These guys have done zero to help out this team for 2017 or the future. Unreal."

 

"No surprise that every GM candidate outside of 30 year old assistant for Cleveland and Rob Antony declined an interview for the job."

 

 

"The front office got too cute by half and it could very easily cost them a playoff spot."

Only one of those 4 quotes could be construed as calling for the GM's head and that was Dave.

 

So no. "People" are not calling for their heads already. Not even close.

It's fine to disagree with those criticizing the FO for a specific move without making things up or putting words in people's mouths.

[lecroy24fan]

 

Only one of those 4 quotes could be construed as calling for the GM's head and that was Dave.

So no. "People" are not calling for their heads already. Not even close.
It's fine to disagree with those criticizing the FO for a specific move without making things up or putting words in people's mouths.

 

You must not be on Twitter as they've been complaining all summer.

[twinsnorth49]

You must not be on Twitter as they've been complaining all summer.

Yeah but that's all people on Twitter ever do, so it doesn't really count.

[Squirrel]

Yeah but that's all people on Twitter ever do, so it doesn't really count.

To be fair, the OP does read like a Twitter tweet.

[twinsnorth49]

To be fair, the OP does read like a Twitter tweet.

Good point.

[drivlikejehu]

 

Only one of those 4 quotes could be construed as calling for the GM's head and that was Dave.

So no. "People" are not calling for their heads already. Not even close.
It's fine to disagree with those criticizing the FO for a specific move without making things up or putting words in people's mouths.

 

That's just semantics - whether it was foolish to hire Falvey in the first place or foolish to retain him is basically two sides of the same coin.

[drjim]

That's just semantics - whether it was foolish to hire Falvey in the first place or foolish to retain him is basically two sides of the same coin.

It's also possible to have the position that he is a fine hire, deserves a fair chance, could become a very good executive, and that he also made a mistake at the deadline.

[drivlikejehu]

 

It's also possible to have the position that he is a fine hire, deserves a fair chance, could become a very good executive, and that he also made a mistake at the deadline.

 

It's certainly possible, but that's not at all the tenor of the criticism. 

[Mr. Brooks]

That's just semantics - whether it was foolish to hire Falvey in the first place or foolish to retain him is basically two sides of the same coin.

And that was the one post I acknowledged, and it was from Dave.

None of the other 3 suggest it was foolish then or now.

 

"They got too cute and it backfired".... how are you reading that as calling for their heads?

That reads to me like a criticism of 1 specific move.

 

Are you suggesting that people are required to agree with every move or they are off the bandwagon??

[Deduno Abides]

Melville was the 17th starter this year, 18th if you count Trevor May. His decent performance in AAA (and the low risk from DFAing him after the game if someone else is needed on the 40 man) made him a reasonable choice to start a DH. He pitched poorly, but probably not much worse than any other team's 17th starter would pitch. It is arguable that he was a mistake, although there isn't a clear choice for who would have been better, but it is more than a gigantic stretch to say that giving Melville a start shows incompetence on the part of management or cheapness on the part of ownership.

[drivlikejehu]

 

And that was the one post I acknowledged, and it was from Dave.
None of the other 3 suggest it was foolish then or now.

"They got too cute and it backfired".... how are you reading that as calling for their heads?
That reads to me like a criticism of 1 specific move.

Are you suggesting that people are required to agree with every move or they are off the bandwagon??

 

How about the one saying Falvey only got the job because no one else even wanted to interview, while implying he lacked the experience and credentials? Yeah, that was just criticism of one move. C'mon.

[Squirrel]

Moderator warning: Stop this back and forth bickering. Now. If you have nothing else to say about Falvey's pitching decisions, move along.

[Rosterman]

Wait, wait. Falvey went out and got Jamie Garcia...because the Twins looked like they were in contention. They also got Bartolo Colon and added him to the rotation while Gee, starting in Rochester, would've been a possible choice either time.

 

Then when the Twins started to play BAD, Garcia was flipped for the future.

 

Then, when they needed an arm for the rotation, and Melville has been THE BEST pitcher at AAA Rochester and was, in all likleihood, an added bonux arm for the day as the Twins already called up Turley as a fresh arm, Falvey gets raked for having a looksee at a potential guy to keep around in 2018. Sadly, the leash is so short on some players (see Jason Wheeler) that if you aren't hungry enough and shine in your ONE attempt at major league abseball, your life will change and you will be doomed to the waiver wire and looking for work next season.

 

Not that producing guarantees you another look at the majors. We'll see what happens with Slegers.

 

Yes, knowing possible double-headers when you can call someone up for one game, I would rather see the future (Romero, Jorge) who are already on the roster, than a diamond in the rough. Occasionally you score big on said pitcher (you can say the Twins are lucky on veterans Gee and the ever ageless Colon). 

 

Losing three of five to the White Sox is actually more on the hitters than on the pitchers, in some ways. You are going to have builpens that consistently lose leads. You are going to have starters that don't give you much. 

 

But I have yet to figure out the total inconsistency of the Twins battling order and how they can look so lost at the plate one game (except for an inning) and bomb the heck out of a team in another game. Yes, it can be the pitchers they face. But I still give Falvey and Levine a leash until they figure out the on-field management, the future of prospects, and how to spend Pohlad's money with no strings attached.

[DaveW]

Hopefully that terrible decision doesn't cost this team a playoff berth.