Article: Official Twins Daily July Trade Deadline Day Thread

[Squirrel]

I forgot about the Brewers. I retract my statement.

 

Sigh. Typical snobby coastals.

[Kwak]

 

CLE didn't add anything, and ya, I realize KC did, but it won't matter. but fair.

They added Joe Smith from Toronto, a RP who previously pitched for CLEV.

[bluechipper]

Rangers get Willie Calhoun, AJ Alexy, and Brendon Davis.

[Mike Sixel]

 

They added Joe Smith from Toronto, a RP who previously pitched for CLEV.

 

facts are pesky, and I've already admitted to being wrong......and I missed that one.

[gunnarthor]

Holy crap.

 

So the Twins probably could have topped the Gray deal with Gonsalves, Jay, Blankenhorn (or comparable). And they could have gotten Darvish with Romero, Thorpe and Baddoo?  

[Vanimal46]

Apparently this was not a good year to sell SP. Last year teams were offering a king's ransom for good SP. 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Holy crap.

 

So the Twins probably could have topped the Gray deal with Gonsalves, Jay, Blankenhorn (or comparable). And they could have gotten Darvish with Romero, Thorpe and Baddoo?  

 

Isn't Darvish a FA this offseason?  I'd rather just sign him. Gray at least has 2 years of control, but that's a high price to pay for that.

[drjim]

 

Holy crap.

 

So the Twins probably could have topped the Gray deal with Gonsalves, Jay, Blankenhorn (or comparable). And they could have gotten Darvish with Romero, Thorpe and Baddoo?  

 

That Gray deal seems very light, unless Beane thinks he is about to break down again.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Holy crap.

 

So the Twins probably could have topped the Gray deal with Gonsalves, Jay, Blankenhorn (or comparable). And they could have gotten Darvish with Romero, Thorpe and Baddoo?  

 

Oakland wanted near ready CF, and are likely moving the SS to the OF. The Twins don't have that, other than Buxton.....

 

No way I deal Romero, Thorpe, Badoo for 2 months of Darvish. Zero.

[nicksaviking]

We're really not going to be able to do the comp thing with the Gray/Yankee deal because we have no idea how either team values injured players with high ceilings. That's surely not something measurable like statistics or comparable like position.

[gunnarthor]

 

We're really not going to be able to do the comp thing with the Gray/Yankee deal, because we have no idea how either team values injured players with high ceilings. That's surely not something measurable like statistics or comparable like position.

Yeah, that's fair but still seems pretty light for the A's

[d-mac]

 

So, now who do you give the ball to in the 9th with a lead?  Duffey?

 

The Hildenberger

[Kwak]

 

The Hildenberger

Since it is highly unlikely that that scenario will occur...

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

We're really not going to be able to do the comp thing with the Gray/Yankee deal because we have no idea how either team values injured players with high ceilings. That's surely not something measurable like statistics or comparable like position.

True, but Tyler Wells strikes me as a good comp to James Kaprielian, an over aged low minors guy who strikes guys out but can't stay healthy. Kaprielian is the only arm New York gave up in the deal. I wonder if Wells and then Gordon would have been the basis of a trade. I wonder if the Twins even talked to Oakland.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

True, but Tyler Wells strikes me as a good comp to James Kaprielian, an over aged low minors guy who strikes guys out but can't stay healthy. Kaprielian is the only arm New York gave up in the deal. I wonder if Wells and then Gordon would have been the basis of a trade. I wonder if the Twins even talked to Oakland.

Tyler Wells was a 15th round pick last year and isn't even in the Twins top 30 at MLB Pipeline.

 

Kaprielian was the 15th overall pick 2 years ago, and was the Yankees #7 prospect at MLB Pipeline.

 

You can't compare two minor leaguers by stat lines (or in Kaprielian's case, the lack thereof).

[Otto von Ballpark]

Interesting that Willie Calhoun, a guy that some posters here didn't even want as a secondary piece in a Brian Dozier trade, was now the top piece in a Yu Darvish trade...

[Minnesotatwins005]

This has been a rather strange trade deadline. I don't think any team had to trade away a top 3 prospect for a player. I mean, Adam Eaton got a haul of prospects for him during the winter, and I figured Gray would of at least got something like in return since he was controllable for 2 more years. I mean Fowler is a great prospect no doubt, but the Yankees have a couple of better prospects ahead of him. Just seems odd to me.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

Tyler Wells was a 15th round pick last year and isn't even in the Twins top 30 at MLB Pipeline.

 

Kaprielian was the 15th overall pick 2 years ago, and was the Yankees #7 prospect at MLB Pipeline.

 

You can't compare two minor leaguers by stat lines (or in Kaprielian's case, the lack thereof).

Fair enough. Industry prospect rankings always remind me of investment analysts all chasing each others opinions, but fair enough.

Edited July 31, 2017 by Hosken Bombo Disco

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

Interesting that Willie Calhoun, a guy that some posters here didn't even want as a secondary piece in a Brian Dozier trade, was now the top piece in a Yu Darvish trade...

Calhoun has put together a pretty good season

(if you want to go by stat lines ). 

Edited July 31, 2017 by Hosken Bombo Disco

[AZTwin]

Dodger fans still wanted to sell Calhoun all year. The fact they don't have much faith in him is telling. My friends who are dodger fans think his bat will play but he doesn't really have a position in the field.

[Taildragger8791]

 

Calhoun has put together a pretty good season

(if you want to go by stat lines ). 

 

Playing in the launching pad known as the PCL, where Oswaldo Arcia is hitting .350/.434/.686. So a grain of salt should be taken with the numbers. But to his credit, Calhoun for his career does have a low strikeout rate which should boost his odds of success.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Interesting that Willie Calhoun, a guy that some posters here didn't even want as a secondary piece in a Brian Dozier trade, was now the top piece in a Yu Darvish trade...

I think what's more interesting is the underwhelming market for starting pitchers this deadline. Given what their respective teams got for Gray and Darvish, I'm totally fine with holding on to Santana. Given this market in comparison to Gray, would Santana even net a top 100 prospect? Mateo is a nice piece (but hardly world-beating) but Kaprielian is something of a lottery ticket. That's not an impressive return for a guy with 2+ years of control at a reasonable price.

 

At that point, Ervin is far more valuable to the Twins roster than in trade.

[Mike Sixel]

Fangraphs had all three players the A's got in the top 100 before the season. If you think even 1 recovers from their injury, and Mateo becomes a legit CF (think Royce Lewis here, Mateo has an OPS over .900 in AA as a SS).....it's an awesome trade for Gray. I think people are underestimating the return some...

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Fangraphs had all three players the A's got in the top 100 before the season. If you think even 1 recovers from their injury, and Mateo becomes a legit CF (think Royce Lewis here, Mateo has an OPS over .900 in AA as a SS).....it's an awesome trade for Gray. I think people are underestimating the return some...

It's not a terrible return, it's an iffy return. Even Mateo, the centerpiece, has some mixed ratings. BA had him all the way down at 85 before the season. Kaprielian could work out wonderfully but there's enormous risk in a young player already down with TJ surgery.

 

Anyway, my point is that if that's what Gray netted in return, I don't even want to know what teams would have paid for Santana.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Playing in the launching pad known as the PCL, where Oswaldo Arcia is hitting .350/.434/.686. So a grain of salt should be taken with the numbers. But to his credit, Calhoun for his career does have a low strikeout rate which should boost his odds of success.

Calhoun has a 131 wRC+ at AAA, which is relative to league. Not bad for a 22 year old, although it is most promising for that low K rate. Could be a bit of a Victor Martinez type, although he might need more batting average to make that work (or failing that, more power? I won't bother suggesting more defense ).

 

Arcia has a 182 wRC+, so it's no guarantee, of course! To be fair though Arcia is 26 and in his 5th season hitting against that level of pitching or better...

[108Stitches]

 

True, but Tyler Wells strikes me as a good comp to James Kaprielian, an over aged low minors guy who strikes guys out but can't stay healthy. Kaprielian is the only arm New York gave up in the deal. I wonder if Wells and then Gordon would have been the basis of a trade. I wonder if the Twins even talked to Oakland.

Why do You say Tyler Wells is overage? He's the exact average age for the Midwest league, and soon he will be in the Florida league where he is going to be average there as well.