Article: Twins Close To Acquiring LHP Jaime Garcia?

[ThejacKmp]

 

Well, if that's the case, how much value do the Braves place on the Twins farm system compared to others and how high are they trying to drive up the price. Personally, the highest I'd go is a Wade, Burdi combo type. Not excited about giving up Granite

 

See I would give up Granite in a heartbeat. He profiles as a 4th OF to me and that's pretty easy to get. Maybe he proves me wrong but I'd definitely swap that (but I'm low on Granite)

[old nurse]

 

Not true at all...

Ellis  and Dykstra show up where on prospect reports?   Ellis has an ERA of replaceable.  Essentially nothing.

[PDX Twin]

 

See I would give up Granite in a heartbeat. He profiles as a 4th OF to me and that's pretty easy to get. Maybe he proves me wrong but I'd definitely swap that (but I'm low on Granite)

 

Granite might be better suited to the National League? It seems like there are more speedy singles hitters over there.

[d-mac]

 

Reading between the LENIII lines, it's a legit prospect, and that should be expected. Likely a guy like a Lewis Thorpe or Mitch Garver or Brusdar Graterol sort of guy.

 

Then we should pass. 

[Shaitan]

 

Yeah, change the prospect, not the money.

But if there's a 55% chance Garcia goes on the DL, this makes sense to me.

[Tom Froemming]

 

Sounds like the Twins were going to take on all of it and want the Braves to take on roughly 55% of the remaining salary now based on medicals.

If they don't like Garcia's medical reports why in the world would they even still want him?

[Mike Sixel]

 

But if there's a 55% chance Garcia goes on the DL, this makes sense to me.

 

if they think he's going on the DL, don't trade for him at all. 

[Squirrel]

 

Not what is coming out of Atlanta at all. Sounds like Twins had concerns with medicals and changed previous agreed-on $ amounts, so prospect wasn't appropriate in the Braves' eyes anymore in that view. That's where the deal is from guys I have talked with.

If it's a legit medical concern, I'd likely just drop the deal altogether. Guess it depends on what they think they know.

 

Edit: haha ... I see others basically made the same comment ... note to self: read to end of thread first.

[Shaitan]

 

if they think he's going on the DL, don't trade for him at all. 

I agree that if the "think" he will, but there's no way to know that for sure if it's based on something minor. There's still a chance whatever the mystery red flag is wouldn't matter in the end. Gotta balance your risks.

[d-mac]

 

Turner plays for the Reds now

And it's Stuart

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Pay the salary and send Atlanta the lottery ticket, ferpetessake

[Han Joelo]

Thaderek really doesn't want to get taken on their first major trade.  Dozier redux going on here.

 

Are there any good baseball books that "tell all" behind the scenes?  I'd really enjoy reading about what goes on in trade discussions and draft discussions.  There was a piece on MLBTR a while ago that detailed Arizona's draft decisions during the Goldschmidt year. It had insight on why the passed on Trout, etc.

 

My point being that we speculate all the time, and some posters even seem to have inside information.  I would read with rapt attention a book with blow by blow accounts of how trades go down, what the names were, etc.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Thaderek really doesn't want to get taken on their first major trade.  Dozier redux going on here.

 

Are there any good baseball books that "tell all" behind the scenes?  I'd really enjoy reading about what goes on in trade discussions and draft discussions.  There was a piece on MLBTR a while ago that detailed Arizona's draft decisions during the Goldschmidt year. It had insight on why the passed on Trout, etc.

 

My point being that we speculate all the time, and some posters even seem to have inside information.  I would read with rapt attention a book with blow by blow accounts of how trades go down, what the names were, etc.

 

trading a low level prospect for 1/2 a year of a player is not a major trade. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

I agree that if the "think" he will, but there's no way to know that for sure if it's based on something minor. There's still a chance whatever the mystery red flag is wouldn't matter in the end. Gotta balance your risks.

 

not over a couple million dollars. Prospect going back? sure/maybe. but a couple million dollars? 

 

What's the real risk here, if it is a 10-15th ranked prospect and a few million dollars, vs a 12-17th ranked prospect and couple million less? 

 

either they want him, and think he can help, or they don't think he can help. 

[FormerMinnasotan]

If the Twins trade for Garcia the trade better not include Lewis Thorpe, Stephen Gonsalves, Fernando Romero, or Felix Jorge. I'd be okay if the trade includes David Hurlbot, Aaron Slegers, Kohl Stewart, or even Nik Turley.

 

Also, if we acquire Garcia which pitcher will we take out of the rotation? Could this help the Twins rid themselves of Kyle Gibson? I honestly wouldn't mind a rotation of Santana, Berrios, Garcia, Mejia, Colon (or Jorge/Gonsalves/Romero).

[d-mac]

 

Given that I've wanted Garver here for months, this would bum me out. I think it's fair. I won't love it. I am not a true believer this year, and I am not a fan of trading 1 prospect for 1 move. I hate this half way stuff. If that is the only move, I'll hate it. If it is one of 2-4 moves, I might like it more.

If the Braves want Garver, I'd take a hard pass. The Twins aren't quite ready for primetime as a team, yet so they really should not be trading a top 15 prospect for a rental. 

[USAFChief]

With every minute that goes by, this seems less and less likely, no?

 

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

If the Braves want Garver, I'd take a hard pass. The Twins aren't quite ready for primetime as a team, yet so they really should not be trading a top 15 prospect for a rental. 

 

I can understand that stance. I'm really on the fence, like I said. No more 1 move moves.....either really try, or don't really try. But don't give up part of the future JUST for Garcia. If you make one move, you better make 2-4 moves.

[Mike Sixel]

 

With every minute that goes by, this seems less and less likely, no?

 

yes

[bighat]

 

With every minute that goes by, this seems less and less likely, no?

 

I agree.  If I were a betting man, I'd say this is dead in the water. Darn.

[Mike Sixel]

In this thread, I pointed out options....

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/26829-starting-pitchers/

 

[Dman]

 

If the Braves want Garver, I'd take a hard pass. The Twins aren't quite ready for primetime as a team, yet so they really should not be trading a top 15 prospect for a rental. 

Especially when it is an area we are weak in as it is.  I don't know what prospects are being discussed but my guess is we don't match up well with Atlanta wants or needs in the return.  I guess if the return is a reliever then that makes some sense as we are not going to be able to keep all of them from the rule 5 draft anyway.  Just don't make a weakness more of a weakness please.

[gocgo]

 

Not what is coming out of Atlanta at all. Sounds like Twins had concerns with medicals and changed previous agreed-on $ amounts, so prospect wasn't appropriate in the Braves' eyes anymore in that view. That's where the deal is from guys I have talked with.

I think the money depends on the prospect from what I've heard...better prospect, less money or vice versa.  Not sure they are coming to terms on that part so the Braves are applying some pressure by talking to other teams.  Smart thing to do on their part.

[SF Twins Fan]

[Willihammer]

 

 

The proposed deal with Minnesota reportedly would send one minor-leaguer to the Braves, with Atlanta picking up less than half of the $4.8 million left on Garcia’s deal this season. There is also a possibility of Minnesota acquiring a minor-leaguer along with Garcia, according to reports.

Was that the deal? Seems to contradict

 

[Willihammer]

Boy its not like we're one pitcher away from competing.

 

If there's a red flag in the medicals, don't try to lower the $$$. Try to get ATL to throw in a reliever too!

[d-mac]

 

I can understand that stance. I'm really on the fence, like I said. No more 1 move moves.....either really try, or don't really try. But don't give up part of the future JUST for Garcia. If you make one move, you better make 2-4 moves.

 

If Garver is part of a package that brings back a controllable starter with multiple years of team control left that helps both now and in the future, I'm fine with that. For example, Gordon and Garver + for Sonny Gray. But not for a rental. Especially a league average or worse NL starter.

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

Which chat site...because that very well could have been me as the "source" because the Braves have been big fans of Garver for a while.

RickMahlerUnsungHero - this is the quote from TalkChop:

 

My sister is dating a guy working locally for one of the Twins minor league affiliates. He tells her that they don’t know yet because they’re waiting for medical clearance, but they think maybe a catcher? (I know this is a stretch, but I just wanted to humblebrag about my potential brother-in-law. Don’t screw this up sis!)

 

I liked the 'humblebrag' line.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Oldgoat_MN

[Shaitan]

 

Boy its not like we're one pitcher away from competing.

 

If there's a red flag in the medicals, don't try to lower the $$$. Try to get ATL to throw in a reliever too!

He'd cost more, but anyone think Jim Johnson could hack it in the AL Central? He was terrible a couple years back in BAL, but seems rejuvenated in ATL.

[laloesch]

 

If Garver is part of a package that brings back a controllable starter with multiple years of team control left that helps both now and in the future, I'm fine with that. For example, Gordon and Garver + for Sonny Gray. But not for a rental. Especially a league average or worse NL starter.

 

Agreed.  Would be a very tough pill to swallow if the return is Garcia.   Good catching prospects are not easy to come by.  I would be shocked if this is who they send over to Atlanta.