June 14, 20179 yr I think if the Twins projected Wright as a near-term #2 starter, they would have taken him without hesitation. I would sure like to believe that.
June 14, 20179 yr BTW, Rooker was a draft eligible Sophomore last season. He does have some leverage for the record.I think any leverage he might have is countered by his age. He's almost 23. If he waits another year he's going to be 24, and there probably aren't a lot of team interested in investing a high pick in a 24 year old. He's at a non-premium position, old for the draft, and coming off his best year, by far, ever. He has to know this is his best chance to get paid. If he over plays his hand he is likely going to cost himself a lot of money.
June 14, 20179 yr San Diego is tied for the second-worst record in MLB, they probably aren't putting extra value on MLB readiness. Tampa may have thought McKay's MLB readiness was not appreciably worse than Wright's (and they have enough controlled MLB pitching currently that readiness is probably not their chief concern either). Hard to say at this point, should be interesting to watch. they may also like McKay better as a prospect.
June 14, 20179 yr I'm comforted to know that we now have in the fold a replacement for either Buxton or Gordon that we can count on in 6 years rather than a pitcher that will be ready in 2.
June 14, 20179 yr Rhett Bollinger is reporting Enlow's bonus will be about $2 mil, which is basically equal to our #35 slot. So it seems we could have been able to draft him and pay full slot at #1, had we wanted to do so: http://m.twins.mlb.com/news/article/236268358/twins-expect-to-sign-blayne-enlow/?topicId=27118388 Not that it means the draft was bad or anything like that, but at this point it looks like the drafting of Lewis and the drafting of Enlow aren't too closely related. (Leach might be the guy we would have missed had we drafted Enlow at 35, or a later over-slot guy.) We'll see how all the bonuses shake out soon, of course.I may just not understand what you're saying but the Twins still have to pay Rooker at #35, he's not signing for free right? So they still would need savings elsewhere to get Enlow signed to #35 money. That either comes from college senior signings later or from Lewis savings, likely the former.
June 14, 20179 yr I may just not understand what you're saying but the Twins still have to pay Rooker at #35, he's not signing for free right? So they still would need savings elsewhere to get Enlow signed to #35 money. That either comes from college senior signings later or from Lewis savings, likely the former.The Twins had the #35 and #37 picks. They could have used one of them on Enlow, and signed him for basically slot. They could have used the other on Rooker. Might have cost them Leach if they didn't think he'd last till 76 (or Rooker, if they preferred Leach at 37 instead), but my point was that signing Enlow (which appears to be their biggest over-slot move so far) didn't necessarily require any savings at 1-1, given the picks they had. I wonder if they could have instead gotten Enlow at slot at 35, plus Carlson at 37 over-slot with the Lewis savings? Will be interesting to follow.
June 14, 20179 yr from fangraphs: Minnesota TwinsI really liked Minnesota’s second day, starting with Blayne Enlow (3) — my No. 33 overall draft prospect — and his potential plus curveball. Clemson lefty Charlie Barnes (4) is going to miss pro bats with his changeup. Seventh-round JUCO lefty Ryley Widdell (7) has a strong build, sits 87-92, and will flash an average changeup and curveball. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/day-2-draft-standouts-american-league/#more-256586
June 14, 20179 yr from fangraphs: Minnesota TwinsI really liked Minnesota’s second day, starting with Blayne Enlow (3) — my No. 33 overall draft prospect — and his potential plus curveball. Clemson lefty Charlie Barnes (4) is going to miss pro bats with his changeup. Seventh-round JUCO lefty Ryley Widdell (7) has a strong build, sits 87-92, and will flash an average changeup and curveball. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/day-2-draft-standouts-american-league/#more-256586Fire Falvine!
June 14, 20179 yr I was happy to be just plain ignorant. But now I see that is not enough. All I can hope for is to be sufficiently ignorant, so as to keep up! Good Grief! Did I just create TD's 1st ever 'Ignorant Threat' ??
June 14, 20179 yr Author I hope the Twins can find a way to sign Spicer. He's 126 on BA's big board, 143 on mlb's. Minor league ball had him #56 among RH pitchers. Not great but, he's something.
June 14, 20179 yr Author John Sickels also made a point that sometimes teams draft guys knowing they won't sign them but it helps to create that relationship for the next year (or three years down the road).
June 14, 20179 yr How I look at it... They got the best high school player in the draft, the best college hitter in 2017, and two quality, high-ceiling prep arms in Enlow and Lacy. I think we should be really happy.I'm happy, happy, happy.
June 14, 20179 yr I would sure like to believe that.Even if Wright projects as a #2 starter, there are so many #1 or #2 SP's who get injured and require TJ surgery or something along the way. Wright is 4 years older than Lewis. Lewis is fast. He can play SS, 2B, 3B, CF, LF, RF. Drafting one of the best prep hitters, if not the best, who is extremely fast, who plays SS, which can be changed to 5 other positions if SS doesn't pan out was just a really smart, safe, "bet". Lewis can be something special.
June 14, 20179 yr I love the Lewis pick more and more. Taking a non-Ace pitcher at 1-1 is bad business. Wright is not an Ace, barring a miracle breakthrough. Lewis is an All-Star level talent and he will play in the middle infield or OF. Imagine him and Gordon locking down the middle for the next 10 years. I'm giddy.
June 14, 20179 yr Good Grief! Did I just create TD's 1st ever 'Ignorant Threat' ?? Um, did you mean 'ignorant thread' or 'ignorant misspelling'?..
June 14, 20179 yr "Barnes is a cerebral pitcher with the Draft's top changeup"I really like the sound of that! Who doesn't like a smart pitcher with a killer changeup?! I am really excited to watch these guys for the next couple years.
June 15, 20179 yr Good Grief! Did I just create TD's 1st ever 'Ignorant Threat' ?? Those of us who are ignorant, are no threat to the intelligentsia. You should leave us to our little bubble! . Edited June 15, 20179 yr by Platoon
June 15, 20179 yr IF the savings from Lewis don't exactly impact the direct signing of anyone, then those savings, coupled with a couple under slot senior signings, may allow for a few extra thousand dollars or so to sign a couple day 3 fliers that would "appear" to be unsignable. That could really top off the draft!
June 15, 20179 yr Um, did you mean 'ignorant thread' or 'ignorant misspelling'?.. Umm, yes? Edited June 15, 20179 yr by HitInAPinch
June 16, 20179 yr I've mentioned this in other threads but it bears repeating I think. Wright may appear wuick to the majors but that doesn't mean he is. Twins have drafted that player with the same "quick to the majors" label plenty of times. Never seems to work. You just absolutely can't draft for current major league need. You can't. A few of my friends want to say hello from the minors: wimmers, eades, Jay, Michael, Burdi, Barr, Melotakis, Cederoth. And Gibson waves hi too. Not all with the pedigree of wright, but stuff happens then you drafted some guy you wanted to help in the majors and he torched his arm or is ineffective. I could go on but I'll spare the soliloquy.
June 16, 20179 yr I've mentioned this in other threads but it bears repeating I think. Wright may appear wuick to the majors but that doesn't mean he is. Twins have drafted that player with the same "quick to the majors" label plenty of times. Never seems to work. You just absolutely can't draft for current major league need. You can't. A few of my friends want to say hello from the minors: wimmers, eades, Jay, Michael, Burdi, Barr, Melotakis, Cederoth. And Gibson waves hi too. Not all with the pedigree of wright, but stuff happens then you drafted some guy you wanted to help in the majors and he torched his arm or is ineffective. I could go on but I'll spare the soliloquy.Or we could list all the fast movers..... None of the guys you mention have his pedigree. Not even close. Fear its no reason to not take risks. Fearful organizations of any kind rarely win.
June 16, 20179 yr Or we could list all the fast movers..... None of the guys you mention have his pedigree. Not even close. Fear its no reason to not take risks. Fearful organizations of any kind rarely win.He has a point, though. Burdi was a poster child for "quick to MLB" and... well, you know how that worked out. Never draft for need. Draft the BPA. Every time (caveats for draft tomfoolery where drafting your second BPA allows you to draft a higher BPA later).
June 16, 20179 yr Or we could list all the fast movers..... None of the guys you mention have his pedigree. Not even close. Fear its no reason to not take risks. Fearful organizations of any kind rarely win.The guys I listed were just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's several more from the last 5-6 years. What I can't do off the top of my head is think of fast movers as you suggest. Maybe slowey or garza though I'm not sure where they were drafted. Further, that's getting into the decade ago territory. I am a little surprised by your want for a prospect to help the current group because I generally agree with most of your posts
June 16, 20179 yr The guys I listed were just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's several more from the last 5-6 years. What I can't do off the top of my head is think of fast movers as you suggest. Maybe slowey or garza though I'm not sure where they were drafted. Further, that's getting into the decade ago territory. I am a little surprised by your want for a prospect to help the current group because I generally agree with most of your posts Well, I also believe in wright. If I didn't, the thought process would be different.
June 16, 20179 yr Well, I also believe in wright. If I didn't, the thought process would be different.Me, too.
June 18, 20179 yr Callis followed-up with this article. While they might not have pleased everyone here, it's sure nice to see some of this stature loving what our organization is doing. I think if we can just have some of our pitching prospects (SP & RP) workout, we could have an extended run of very good to great teams. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/236553468/twins-used-no-1-pick-to-have-best-2017-draft/
June 18, 20179 yr Nobody will be quicker to the majors than drafting Royce Lewis and trading Nick Gordon for a legit good (not elite and not a rental) starter. It remains to be seen how aggressive this new FO will be in that regard but this type of move would not surprise me.
June 18, 20179 yr Nobody will be quicker to the majors than drafting Royce Lewis and trading Nick Gordon for a legit good (not elite and not a rental) starter. It remains to be seen how aggressive this new FO will be in that regard but this type of move would not surprise me.Non rental, non elite pitcher would be a player with a couple years left on a bloated contract, someone like Dan Straily, good years and unlucky years, Or a low ceiling rookie that you would be giving up a higher ceiling prospect for. What team has an excess of pitching that they can trade a reasonably priced player for prospects> The Emerald City Wizards? Nice idea, but I don't see it existing
June 18, 20179 yr Non rental, non elite pitcher would be a player with a couple years left on a bloated contract, someone like Dan Straily, good years and unlucky years, Or a low ceiling rookie that you would be giving up a higher ceiling prospect for. What team has an excess of pitching that they can trade a reasonably priced player for prospects> The Emerald City Wizards? Nice idea, but I don't see it existingor Sonny Gray...Elite only eliminates about 10-15 pitchers from the list so there are still plenty to choose from.
June 18, 20179 yr or Sonny Gray...Elite only eliminates about 10-15 pitchers from the list so there are still plenty to choose from. Gray will likely cost more than Gordon... though results wise, he's not bad. We need pitching, that I won't argue with anyone on... Gray for Gordon though is a pretty hefty price for 2 or so years of a guy who has put up good numbers in an extreme pitchers park.
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