Hicks for Murphy trade: 14 months later

[old nurse]

The whole thread is based on a strawman argument. It makes the assumption that whatever Hicks learned in New York he would have learned here.  Years of non production here is the basis for the idea he wasn't learning here.

[terrydactyls]

at this point maybe the real comparison should be hicks versus gabriel moya, who the twins got for jrm. moya, according to baseball reference, is a 22-year-old lefty who has pitched in 43 aa games this year. in 52.2 innings, he's given up 27 hits with 82 strikeouts, 14 walks and a 0.85 era.

Another save last night. He's 5-1 with 23 saves in 23 chances this year. I would say that Hicks for Moya is a great trade.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Another save last night. He's 5-1 with 23 saves in 23 chances this year. I would say that Hicks for Moya is a great trade.

Because he's going to bring a championship to Chattanooga?

[DaveW]

 

Another save last night. He's 5-1 with 23 saves in 23 chances this year. I would say that Hicks for Moya is a great trade.

Lol, I wouldn't. I'd prefer the 5 WAR that Hicks is gonna put up per year the next 5 years.

[DaveW]

 

The whole thread is based on a strawman argument. It makes the assumption that whatever Hicks learned in New York he would have learned here.  Years of non production here is the basis for the idea he wasn't learning here.

He had his moments here, sometimes young players just take a little time to progress and reach their potential. I do think the Twins rushing him originally did him absolutely no favors. I do wonder if that is why Buxton struggled so long as well.

[old nurse]

 

He had his moments here, sometimes young players just take a little time to progress and reach their potential. I do think the Twins rushing him originally did him absolutely no favors. I do wonder if that is why Buxton struggled so long as well.

Players having moments is about as weak of an argument as there can be.  The Twins history is littered with players having moments. Pedro Munoz if you need at least one name. Buxton being rushed. His AAA stats say not.  This well could be Hicks outlier season. Time will tell.

[mikecgrimes]

 

Lol, I wouldn't. I'd prefer the 5 WAR that Hicks is gonna put up per year the next 5 years.

 

Given his ordinary offense since mid May and assume he loses a half a step a year of range and I'm not sure he's a 1.0 WAR most of the next 5 years.  It could be we would have sent Buxton down for a month had Hicks been producing for us and Buxton would of never taken off.  Given his hot stretch was when we were winning anyways he might not have helped us win any extra games.  I'm not impressed by his season in the context of the rest of his career.

[old nurse]

 

Lol, I wouldn't. I'd prefer the 5 WAR that Hicks is gonna put up per year the next 5 years.

Fantasy baseball. Only 9 position players have accumulated 25 war from 2012-2016 season. Hicks is not that good.

[Doomtints]

Looks like Hicks only played half a season. Grade: D+.

[h2oface]

 

Because he's going to bring a championship to Chattanooga?

 

Great retort. Still chuckling to myself 10 minutes later. Slama even did well at AAA!

 

Without Moya, where would Chattanooga be?????? 

[h2oface]

 

Looks like Hicks only played half a season. Grade: D+.

 

 

What grade does Trout get for being injured and out 2 months? Or Kershaw? Or Sano? Or Morneau after the MVP half season concussion year? Or anyone that misses parts of the season due to injury, and then perhaps comes back sooner than they should to help a team, and is still compromised by the injury somewhat?

 

D+, eh?

[Deduno Abides]

Lol, I wouldn't. I'd prefer the 5 WAR that Hicks is gonna put up per year the next 5 years.

Predicting Hicks to have 5 WAR/year from 2018 through 2022 seems no more reasonable than expecting Murphy to be more valuable than Hicks in 2016 and 2017.

[drivlikejehu]

Bad trade, but Hicks isn't a 5 WAR player, or even a 4 WAR player, and even the ~3 this year will likely be his career peak.

 

Basically he's a good platoon player against LHP, and defensive role player for all 3 outfield spots. Useful but not a star and really not a regular since he can't hit RHP.

[Doomtints]

 

What grade does Trout get for being injured and out 2 months? Or Kershaw? Or Sano? Or Morneau after the MVP half season concussion year? Or anyone that misses parts of the season due to injury, and then perhaps comes back sooner than they should to help a team, and is still compromised by the injury somewhat?

 

D+, eh?

 

Established players who have proven themselves v. non.  Apples v. oranges. Hicks is 5 years in without proving himself.

[Mike Sixel]

D+ for 3 WAR in an injury year? Tough grader. I assume Murphy gets a J or K then?

[Otto von Ballpark]

Basically he's a good platoon player against LHP, and defensive role player for all 3 outfield spots. Useful but not a star and really not a regular since he can't hit RHP.

FWIW, Hicks has been notably better vs RHP than vs LHP each of the last 2 seasons, which is 43% of his career PA so far. Even including his last Twins season, his wRC+ is virtually equal vs RHP and LHP over the last 3 seasons, and that covers 67% of his career PA to date. It's possible his early Twins career was not a representative sample in terms of his platoon splits.

[mickeymental]

 

at this point maybe the real comparison should be hicks versus gabriel moya, who the twins got for jrm. moya, according to baseball reference, is a 22-year-old lefty who has pitched in 43 aa games this year. in 52.2 innings, he's given up 27 hits with 82 strikeouts, 14 walks and a 0.85 era.

and at this point i'm hoping the laughter has died down at least a little ...

[DaveW]

D+ for 3 WAR in an injury year? Tough grader. I assume Murphy gets a J or K then?

I grade Murphys time here as LOL

 

Ditto with the trade

 

Jk

[old nurse]

In the what have you done lately vein, Moya has played in more innings than Hicks has the last 2 weeks. Moya has as many hits as Hicks does this month. This month the Twins may be winning the trade.

 

[John Kelsey]

 

I grade Murphys time here as LOL

Ditto with the trade

Jk

 

I noticed your "Aaron Hicks update" is conveniently not updated at all. 

[old nurse]

 

I noticed your "Aaron Hicks update" is conveniently not updated at all. 

Hicks basically has been on the dl since June. Not much to update unless he is stalking Hicks going to physical therapy. 

[ashbury]

Hicks basically has been on the dl since June. Not much to update unless he is stalking Hicks going to physical therapy. 

I think Jaykay is referring to the stats from back in May, seen under Dave's name, as part of his profile.

[DaveW]

 

I noticed your "Aaron Hicks update" is conveniently not updated at all. 

3.3 WAR in 82 games, (6.6 WAR over the course of a full season) .830 OPS 13 HR etc

He should be back for the Yankees playoff run.

[John Kelsey]

 

I think Jaykay is referring to the stats from back in May, seen under Dave's name, as part of his profile.

 

Correct

[gil4]

He should be back for the Yankees playoff run.

Which will hopefully be one game.

[Mike Sixel]

It would be soul crushing*for Hicks to have a great game and the Yankees to win because of him. 

 

*well, in terms of baseball rooting, I would never care that much about sports...

[Don Walcott]

Hicks in the 2nd half of 2017

 

.207 BA

.290 OBP

.345 SLG.

.645 OPS

 

I hope the Yankees get that guy back for the playoffs!

[nicksaviking]

It's long past 14 months and this thing only gets resurrected for one party or another to yell I Told You So, the party being dependent on how Aaron Hicks is fairing that day.

 

It's run its course, I'm closing the thread.