Who gets dropped from the 40 Man?

[GM64]

If the Twins go to Opening Day with Gimenez and/or Park on the roster, who gets bumped?  Maybe they can put Perkins on the 60-day DL, and that would buy a spot, but what comes next (or first, if for some reason they don't put Perkins on the 60-day DL)?  Who are the one or two candidates you see bumped?  Maybe go three, in the (admittedly unlikely) case Schuck or Stubbs is on the Opening Day roster.  

 

Roster is here (though the Breslow addition and May shift to 60-day DL is not listed yet).  http://m.twins.mlb.com/min/roster/40-man/

[Mike Sixel]

Tonkin, imo, would be "likely". It is possible they'll just cut bait on Murphy also, and have a vet type catcher or two in AAA. 

[GM64]

My own guesses come from this set:  Boshers, Haley (returned or traded-for), Melotakis, D. Santana.

 

(1) Haley, (2) Boshers, (3) D. Santana (if an outfielder is kept), and (4) Melotakis.

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Santana, Adrianza, and Tonkin are all out of options, so it any of them don't make the 25-man roster, they have to be dropped from the 40-man anyway.

 

I suspect you will get at least one drop from that group to roster Gimenez.

[GM64]

I missed Tonkin -- that's a good bet.  And Spycake's sound observation handles at least one more spot (they aren't keeping BOTH Danny Santana and Adrianza, I don't guess).  

 

If Tonkin is kept, I don't see them dropping both D. Santana and Adrianza, though.  So that's still just one.  If not Tonkin, who else?  

 

[Tom Froemming]

The guys who can't be sent down are probably most likely (Tonkin, Adrianza, Danny, Haley). But there are also a ton of lefty relievers on the 40-man roster right now (Breslow, Boshers, Melotakis, O'Rourke, Perkins, Rogers, Rosario). I'm guessing one of them is dropped from the roster prior to the start of the season, probably either Boshers or O'Rourke.

[Brandon Warne]

May on the 60 (already done)

Perkins on the 60 (possible/likely)

Adrianza/Tonkin would have to be taken off 40 if they don't make team

Haley also has to clear waivers

[Riverbrian]

I'm guessing Tonkin and one of Santana/Adrianaza. 

 

 

Santana and Adrianaza could both survive if they decide to start Vargas and Park both in Rochester which I would not rule out. Otherwise there is no 25 man spot left for both in my opinion. 

 

Tonkin could stay if they 60 day DL Perkins and send Chargois down to Rochester.

 

Or... decide to send Gimenez down to Rochester and go with Murphy in Minnesota... and send Chargois down to Rochester. 

 

I personally think that is too much to ask and I can't see them keeping Tonkin.  

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

After those out-of-options players, I'd guess Haley and Perkins are the next most likely targets.

[Vanimal46]

 

  On 3/22/2017 at 5:43 PM, Mike Sixel said:

Tonkin, imo, would be "likely". It is possible they'll just cut bait on Murphy also, and have a vet type catcher or two in AAA. 

 

If Stuart Turner is returned to the Twins, your prediction of cutting bait on Murphy sounds very likely. No reason to have three 25-26 year old C's in AAA. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

  On 3/22/2017 at 7:45 PM, Vanimal46 said:

If Stuart Turner is returned to the Twins, your prediction of cutting bait on Murphy sounds very likely. No reason to have three 25-26 year old C's in AAA. 

 

good point. 

[beckmt]

I am guessing Tonkin, followed by one of the middle infielders.  Boshers is also a likely cut.  Twins have lots of players at the bottom end, who will probably not be hers.  I am guessing Tonkin and Boshers along with the loser of the middle infield battle. That should be enough spots.

[Jham]

My guess is that we'll trade murphy for cash. Are there any potential waiver additions the Twins should be monitoring with our no. 1 priority on the wire?

[nicksaviking]

If we're going with the hypothetical that Perkins is NOT going on the 60-day, I don't see why Boshers or O'Rourke wouldn't be removed.

 

If the Twins have half a mind to try to sneak a Tonkin, Santana, O'Rourke or someone else trough waivers, it might be a good idea to do it now while the other teams are still making difficult roster decisions. Or, it's also possible there's no need to do any sneaking at all.

[SF Twins Fan]

Does anyone know how Stuart Turner has been doing during sprint training?

[Otto von Ballpark]

  On 3/22/2017 at 9:51 PM, SF Twins Fan said:

Does anyone know how Stuart Turner has been doing during sprint training?

10 hits in 23 AB:

 

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp?c_id=cin#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&game_type='S'&season=2017&season_type=ANY&league_code='MLB'&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1490221530745&sortColumn=ab&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0

[shs_59]

I'd Drop Buddy Boshers

 

from the  40 man

 

and possibly whoever loses out between  C's J.R.  Murphy and Chris Giminez

 

that opens up 2 spots....one of which could go to a young arm like (jay) or maybe even Byung Ho Park

 

 

 

Keep O'Rourke over Boshers....

[shs_59]

Ohh yeah, and absolutely Tonkin too

 

He's never been any good in the Major Leagues at ANY point.

[mikelink45]

What is really the most important point in this discussion is how many we can come up and not hurt the chances of our 103 loss team going forward.  Boshers, Tonkins, Santana, Murphy...we have an abundance of potential drops and the future will not be harmed.  I have not even listed half the potential cuts.  I just hope this gets harder in the future. 

[old nurse]

 

  On 3/22/2017 at 9:51 PM, SF Twins Fan said:

Does anyone know how Stuart Turner has been doing during sprint training?

The guy that is supposed to be the starter may start the season on the DL.

also

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/216531028/reds-turner-must-prove-hes-ready/

 

[Oldgoat_MN]

DanSan would probably not be claimed and we could let Murphy and Haley go. Felix Jorge and Randy Rosario would probably get through without being claimed as well.

Someone might claim Tonkin and use him to his strength (1 inning at a time) rather than how Molitor uses him. Buddy Boshers would almost certainly get claimed, as he was our best BP pitcher other than Trevor May last year.

 

I just really cannot see keeping Haley unless the new FO believes they have some level of infallibility, so he must be good because they picked him up.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

  On 3/22/2017 at 6:25 PM, Brandon Warne said:

May on the 60 (already done)

Perkins on the 60 (possible/likely)

Adrianza/Tonkin would have to be taken off 40 if they don't make team

Haley also has to clear waivers

Haley was rule 5, he has to stay on the 25 unless they trade or returned and the be waived and clear. If he's worth trading for, why risk him to waivers?

[Thrylos]

The Twins have a full 40-man roster.

 

Looks like there will be no spots needed for SPs

Looks like the May to 60 day deal took care of Breslow and no more spots will be needed for the bullpen.

 

Spots will be needed for:

Chris Gimenez - back up C  (1 spot)

 

also

 

There is a 3-way fight for the 1B/DH type between Park/Vargas(40 man)/Hague .  If Park (likely he should) or Hague make it, they need 1 most spot (2 spots)

 

also there is another 3 way fight for the 25th man spot between D.Santana (40-man)/E.Adrianza (40 man) and B Gonzalez.  Santana looks like will get that spot, but regardless this battle will open a 40 man spot (even if Gonzalez gets it that will be -2 +1)  so (1 spot needed net)

 

If either Tonkin or Haley do not make it, that will open another spot.  I cannot see both making it, so that will take care of the last spot needed.  So you do not need Perkins' 60-day DL spot yet.

Boshers has an option left, so there is no need to risk losing him now

 

That adds up.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Are we seriously suggesting we drop Tonkin over Boshers?  I understand that Tonkin hasn't exactly lit the world on fire, but there's no way I'd drop him first. 

 

Boshers is the first guy I'd drop.  DanSan is probably 2.  Haley is up there too (though I'd be in favor of working out a trade).

 

[Linus]

Send Haley back. He's done nothing and I don't see anything in him that warranted the top rule 5 selection. Do not compound the mistake by keeping him around for no reason.

[Brandon Warne]

 

  On 3/22/2017 at 11:30 PM, Sconnie said:

Haley was rule 5, he has to stay on the 25 unless they trade or returned and the be waived and clear. If he's worth trading for, why risk him to waivers?

 

If Haley doesn't make it, he has to clear waivers, then be offered back to Boston for a specific amount (more than before due to new CBA, but I don't recall how much). They can work out a trade, but what are the odds he's worth a trade but not worth keeping on the roster with the number of relievers they have in the system? I wouldn't say terribly high. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

  On 3/23/2017 at 1:07 AM, Brandon Warne said:

If Haley doesn't make it, he has to clear waivers, then be offered back to Boston for a specific amount (more than before due to new CBA, but I don't recall how much). They can work out a trade, but what are the odds he's worth a trade but not worth keeping on the roster with the number of relievers they have in the system? I wouldn't say terribly high.

agreed. I guess either he's worth stashing on the 25 as the long man or return him. If he can't make it on one of the bottom 3 pitching staffs in MLB. He ain't getting claimed. No sense in worrying too much about it.

[Vanimal46]

  On 3/23/2017 at 12:24 AM, diehardtwinsfan said:

Are we seriously suggesting we drop Tonkin over Boshers? I understand that Tonkin hasn't exactly lit the world on fire, but there's no way I'd drop him first.

 

Boshers is the first guy I'd drop. DanSan is probably 2. Haley is up there too (though I'd be in favor of working out a trade).

Why? Boshers has an option left. The Twins have 5 Michael Tonkins in the minors to sift through. He's had his chances to prove something, and he's just a typical 6-7th inning reliever.

 

Eventually they need to trim the fat from that large group of middle relievers. Why not now beginning with Tonkin?