Mark Trumbo

[Tomj14]

 

I don't want Trumbo any more than I want Bautista.  Too many DH/IB players on this roster already.  Give the job to Vargas/Park and improve areas that need it more like SP and RP.  This lineup works fine for me if they keep Dozier:

 

Dozier - 2B

Mauer - 1B

Sano - 3B

Vargas/Park - DH

Kepler - RF

Polanco - SS

Rosario - LF

Castro - C

Buxton - CF

 

If Polanco or Buxton can handle leadoff, put Dozier in the #3 spot and slide everyone down. 

I am not saying we should sign Trumbo, but he is basically the same age as Park (Park is 6 months younger)  and better than Kennys. So can it be said if you are against Trumbo, you are against Park and Kennys as the Twins DH?

[Pardon My Dinger]

 

only way i c it is 1 yr deal....   w/ incentives and or an option

What is this, a text message? 

[Mr. Brooks]

I am not saying we should sign Trumbo, but he is basically the same age as Park (Park is 6 months younger) and better than Kennys. So can it be said if you are against Trumbo, you are against Park and Kennys as the Twins DH?

We don't know that Trumbo will have the better 2017 than Vargas.

Their career OPS aren't far apart, and Vargas is younger, and only costs the league minimum. He also has an option remaining.

[Physics Guy]

I am not saying we should sign Trumbo, but he is basically the same age as Park (Park is 6 months younger)  and better than Kennys. So can it be said if you are against Trumbo, you are against Park and Kennys as the Twins DH?

Nope, it simply means I would rather give the guys we have a chance than to give up a high draft pick to sign Trumbo for money that would be better spent elsewhere.

[iowadutchman]

Agree to give the young guys the AB's.  Need to find out if they can play or not.  This is a roll the dice team anyway so why not roll with the risk.  Bat Buxton lead off followed by Mauer.  Assuming he gets on base, defenses have to respect his speed so that opens some holes for Joe. Dozier batting 3 gives Mauer better pitches to hit. Then Sano, Vargas/Park, Kepler, Rosario, Castro and Polanco.  Having a 9 hitter with some speed and higher on base % flips the lineup with a chance there will be runners on base. Neither Trumbo or Bautista makes the team better. DH production is the key to this lineup. They need to be a threat to give Sano protection.  Or, Kepler could move up if he can be more consistent.

[Tomj14]

 

Nope, it simply means I would rather give the guys we have a chance than to give up a high draft pick to sign Trumbo for money that would be better spent elsewhere.

I agree signing Trumbo isn't a good idea, but I have zero faith in Vargas (and don't understand why others do) and I don't see him as a solution to anything and if I am correct and we are short a DH or 3B if Sano ends up as DH. Park is a wild card and we don't have anybody in the system close to helping in either of these two, so I think that is something we need to address.

[Physics Guy]

I have seen enough from Vargas to think he warrants a chance to get 450-500 AB this year.    He's had decent numbers in partial play over the last three years.    It is not easy for a young player to come up and not get consistent AB's.    This is the perfect year to give Vargas a shot and if he isn't successful, put Park in as the DH.    I would prefer a platoon system where Mauer, Vargas and Park fill the 1B/DH slots.    Sit Mauer at least 1-2 times a week, especially against tough LHP.

[spinowner]

I concur with the Mauer/Park/Vargas platoon for 1B and DH. You've got one LH, one RH, and one SH. Sit the LH against the toughest LHP's and sit the RH against the toughest RHP's. Mix and match to get approximately 108 starts for each player. That also leaves one of the three to bring in late in close games and extra inning games. Any manager worth his salt should be able to make that work.

[DaveW]

Nooooooooooo the time to get trumbo was last year (when I suggested they trade for him instead of signing Park)

[gil4]

 

I believe you have found the answer.  If I am not mistaken the pitchers are already throw slow pitches.

Our pitchers haven't been the problem.  We need the rest of the league to follow suit.  (Is Nick Blackburn still available?  He was working on the slow-pitch body toward the end of his time with the Twins.)

[blindeke]

he's a pitcher, right?

[Foghorn Leghorn]

We should go in for him...

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I agree signing Trumbo isn't a good idea, but I have zero faith in Vargas (and don't understand why others do) and I don't see him as a solution to anything and if I am correct and we are short a DH or 3B if Sano ends up as DH. Park is a wild card and we don't have anybody in the system close to helping in either of these two, so I think that is something we need to address.

Park, Vargas, Mauer, Kepler, Grossman, Palka.

 

2 of those 6 has to be decent first and DH huh? They can't all flop... spend the effort on pitching and shortstop

[Willihammer]

Jose Bautista just signed for 1 year 18m. Seems like a great time to be a buyer for RH power.

 

Trumbo gets on base... kinda, and he doesn't field, but, what if he's had a Nelson Cruz-like spike in power, and he just hits 40 homers a year now? 

[Willihammer]

The more I think about this, the more I like the idea.

Looking at Trumbo's pitch values on fangraphs, his output against the fastball spiked in 2016. He crushed fastballs. In a league that increasingly values velocity, the ability to square up fastballs is a good talent to have.

 

Re: the Camden Yards effect, here are his 2016 homers with Target Field overlaid:

 

http://i.imgur.com/Z6g6Aum.jpg

[Otto von Ballpark]

Trumbo gets on base... kinda, and he doesn't field, but, what if he's had a Nelson Cruz-like spike in power, and he just hits 40 homers a year now?

Even with 47 HR, Trumbo was only worth 1.6 bWAR last year.

 

And even ignoring position and defense, Trumbo's hitting was only worth 14 Rbat. Cruz has averaged 38 Rbat in his 40 HR seasons.

 

40 HR alone doesn't make you a valuable hitter, let alone a valuable player.

[Otto von Ballpark]

And he resigns with Baltimore. 3 years, $37.5 million.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/orioles-to-sign-mark-trumbo.html

[Riverbrian]

 

And he resigns with Baltimore. 3 years, $37.5 million.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/orioles-to-sign-mark-trumbo.html

 

I was hoping Rockies

 

 

[jimmer]

Old School MLB Network guys whining cause the HR leader, who is 'only' 31, got  'only' a 3/38ish deal.

 

Then say he's basically Chris Davis who go who got 7/161.

 

Are they the same?

 

Before Davis' contract, he posted a WAR of 5,6. Before Trumbo's contract, Trumbo posted 2.2 WAR.

Before Davis' contract, he posted a wRC+ of 148. Trumbo posted wRC+ of 123.

Davis career slash: .250/.330/490 (OPS+120).  Trumbo's:.251/.303/..473. (OPS+112)

Davis play good D at 1B, Trumbo plays horrible defense (when he plays defense).

 

These are not the same players, unless someone grunts, scratches themselves and mumbles home runs. Did Davis get too much?Yeah,, but at least he came off a great season and provides value offensively and defensively.

 

 

 

[Willihammer]

Freaking steal.

[jimmer]

Trumbo was only averaged 0.7 WAR over the last 3 years. 0.7.

 

Trumbo only averaged 1.7 WAR over the last two years.  1.7.

 

His ONLY value is HR.  Can't get on base, can't play defense,  He's only had a wRC+ of 110 or higher twice.

 

Glad Twins didn't waste their money on him.  Hoping Baltimore signing Davis and Trumbo for what they did stops them from being able to sign Machado.

[nicksaviking]

 

Old School MLB Network guys whining cause the HR leader, who is 'only' 31, got  'only' a 3/38ish deal.

 

Then say he's basically Chris Davis who go who got 7/161.

 

Are they the same?

 

Before Davis' contract, he posted a WAR of 5,6. Before Trumbo's contract, Trumbo posted 2.2 WAR.

Before Davis' contract, he posted a wRC+ of 148. Trumbo posted wRC+ of 123.

Davis career slash: .250/.330/490 (OPS+120).  Trumbo's:.251/.303/..473. (OPS+112)

Davis play good D at 1B, Trumbo plays horrible defense (when he plays defense).

 

These are not the same players, unless someone grunts, scratches themselves and mumbles home runs. Did Davis get too much?Yeah,, but at least he came off a great season and provides value offensively and defensively.

 

Yeah, Davis and Trumbo are the same player. Just like Reggie Jackson and Dave Kingman were the same player.

 

Good lord, talk about looking at empty HR numbers. People didn't even need Bill James back then to tell them that not all HR are created equally.