Article: Twins Request Final Offers For Dozier

[TheLeviathan]

 

While I agree it's highly unlikely Dozier will be more valuable in June than he is today, it's not a foregone conclusion.

 

Teams at the deadline are sometimes desperate for talent. It's a longshot - one I wouldn't take willingly - but it's not certain what Dozier will bring at the deadline.

 

Considering no position player has gone for any kind of substantial price mid-season for awhile (that I could find), "longshot" may be generous.

 

If we don't deal him now we're either keeping him for two years and playing out the string or trading him at a much reduced value at some point in the future.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

There is quite a bit of referencing "supply and demand" in this thread. And that is a very strong argument - in the business world. But, in my humble opinion based on 100 years of business experience and following baseball (maybe a slight exaggeration), trading for a perceived asset (Dozier) that brings me a World Series title, has nothing to do with sound business practices. It is all about ego and bragging rights. The owners of sports teams are not in this business so much as to make profits as they are for the opportunity to rub elbows with athletes and (especially in L.A.) celebrities. So I would predict (again in my humble opinion) that if nothing happens now, if the Dodgers are not in first place in mid-May, their "demand" is going to be coming after our "supply" in full force and sound business practices will be thrown out the window.

You are missing credit and time value of currency part of the discussion. Buying Dozier with De Leon is like buying a 2 year bonx with a 6 year AR MBS.

 

The closer to maturity the less valuable the 2 year security becomes because your investment has less chance to grow. Meanwhile the risk decreases on the 6 year high risk AR MBS as time advances you are less likely for the debtors to default.

 

The more Mature De Leon gets the more clear what his value becomes and lower risk = more value. More mature Dozier gets the less value he has, because in two years you don't have to give up any assets to acquire him.

[Platoon]

The Twins will almost certainly be a better team next year if Brian Dozier is here.

There is very little chance De Leon makes the 2017 Twins better than Dozier does.

Maybe by 2018. Dozier is potentially gone in 2019, so pretty good chance by then.

And I also disagree on Dozier's potential trade value during this coming season. There is a reasonable chance a team or two decides they really need Dozier. Lets just see what LA offers if they stumble out of the gate, Utley is a gaping wound at second, and LH pitching is eating them up. How much pressure do you suppose they will be under to do something?

On your first point, I think at best he's a wash for next year. Reason? It's highly unlikely he will surpass his career and almost MLB historical highs. The "better" will come from the improvement of Sano, Buxton, Kepler et al. I totally agree with your point on 2017. And your points on 2018 and 9 are in line with mine. This would be a trade for the future. To answer you and Brock on Doziers value in '17, I have exactly the same amount of knowledge of that as everyone else does. None! But I do think at best it's 40/60 that it increases. And I would take the bird in the hand, and move on. My dad always said, "once you sell the pigs, never look at the hog markets". No matter which way this trade goes or doesn't, there's gonna be a lot of discussion about the hog market next year!

[Platoon]

That's fair. And I guess that's the divide here between the varying points of view on this issue. For me, there is a point where you walk away. Yeah, there's risk no matter how you look at it. It's just difficult for me to part with a proven, definite asset for something that may never produce. I'd be more comfortable, obviously, with a return of more pieces in the hopes that one is really good. Is there a point you'd walk away from this situation, out of curiosity?

I can agree that more pieces lessen the chance of an unmitigated disaster of a deal, with this caveat. There will be a sum total of the parts, and that total can be reached via quantity, or quality. In this case specifically I would want quality. We have a whole lot of SP quantity on hand. Assuming DeLeon is the core piece, and assuming his ceiling is as advertised, then he really becomes my benchmark. And to add one last assumption, I cannot believe they would actually consider trading two top end arms for BD. Meaning anything else is lottery ticket fodder. So the answer is, if they diddle around with DeLeon as a trade piece I would walk. As stated, I am not interested in numbers or position players for Dozier. The Twins are in an unfortunately unique position. Lots of SP, with an almost comic level of incompetence. And this is not a one year history of said incompetence. It's become status quo. Without SP, 8 Doziers will still not a contender make!

[nytwinsfan]

You are missing credit and time value of currency part of the discussion. Buying Dozier with De Leon is like buying a 2 year bonx with a 6 year AR MBS.

 

The closer to maturity the less valuable the 2 year security becomes because your investment has less chance to grow. Meanwhile the risk decreases on the 6 year high risk AR MBS as time advances you are less likely for the debtors to default.

 

The more Mature De Leon gets the more clear what his value becomes and lower risk = more value. More mature Dozier gets the less value he has, because in two years you don't have to give up any assets to acquire him.

Which of the big banks did you work for? I worked at a plaintiff's law firm for 3 years pursuing mortgage backed securities cases, so just wanted to know which of my former adversaries I'm dealing with. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Considering no position player has gone for any kind of substantial price mid-season for awhile (that I could find), "longshot" may be generous.

 

If we don't deal him now we're either keeping him for two years and playing out the string or trading him at a much reduced value at some point in the future.

I'm inclined to agree, my contention was more with the certainty of Platoon's post than the thinking behind it.

 

And while it's likely Dozier's value drops the moment Opening Day hits, if he's truly a 6 WAR player now, it's possible his value will remain high in June.

 

We tend to view Dozier's 2016 as an aberration - which it likely is - but if he goes on another tear to open 2017, teams will likely view him as a legit 5-6 WAR player, not a legit 3-4 WAR player.

 

So, in a perfect scenario, a legit 5-6 WAR Dozier coupled with a desperate team at the deadline may net the Twins similar value.

 

Again, not a risk I'd take willingly but it's a possibility.

[Squirrel]

 

I can agree that more pieces lessen the chance of an unmitigated disaster of a deal, with this caveat. There will be a sum total of the parts, and that total can be reached via quantity, or quality. In this case specifically I would want quality. We have a whole lot of SP quantity on hand. Assuming DeLeon is the core piece, and assuming his ceiling is as advertised, then he really becomes my benchmark. And to add one last assumption, I cannot believe they would actually consider trading two top end arms for BD. Meaning anything else is lottery ticket fodder. So the answer is, if they diddle around with DeLeon as a trade piece I would walk. As stated, I am not interested in numbers or position players for Dozier. The Twins are in an unfortunately unique position. Lots of SP, with an almost comic level of incompetence. And this is not a one year history of said incompetence. It's become status quo. Without SP, 8 Doziers will still not a contender make!

Oh, I don't think we are really so far off in disagreement here. I have always stated we needed pitching and Dozier is the chip to get it. And I, too, want quality over quantity ... but I think there are differing opinions and approaches to what quality gained = what quality lost and finding that right balance that actually does good for us in the future. Yeah, it's all a crap shoot no matter what direction you go, but we could do worse damage to our future, imo, if it's not the right deal, risk or no risk.

[drjim]

I'm inclined to agree, my contention was more with the certainty of Platoon's post than the thinking behind it.

 

And while it's likely Dozier's value drops the moment Opening Day hits, if he's truly a 6 WAR player now, it's possible his value will remain high in June.

 

We tend to view Dozier's 2016 as an aberration - which it likely is - but if he goes on another tear to open 2017, teams will likely view him as a legit 5-6 WAR player, not a legit 3-4 WAR player.

 

So, in a perfect scenario, a legit 5-6 WAR Dozier coupled with a desperate team at the deadline may net the Twins similar value.

 

Again, not a risk I'd take willingly but it's a possibility.

 

Ideally they trade him but they really can't force it if the offer is not there. Keeping him into the season is not a disaster.

[Riverbrian]

 

You have some very valid points. Nor in a perfect scenario would I argue them. Hopefully there are other avenues to improving the pitching? But thay all have issues. An expensive veteran? Trading one of our top position prospects? A currently non existent FA market? And while your take on supply and demand is likely correct, will the demand increase? The chances of that, and the chances of a prospect like DeLeon are both open to the same level of conjecture. Both the Dodgers and Twins would be trading something they don't need for something they need. That to me impacts my view on this negotiation. While I cannot guarantee DeLeons future success, BD past history of lengthly droughts does not allow the guarantee of his static value at the trade deadline. Nor for that matter his value to the Dodgers playoff chances. While it is true that the immediate impact of the trade most likely will be in the Dodgers favor, the fact remains that short of trading some of the high end Twins position "prospects", this team has little foreseeable avenues to improving its SP in time to take advantage of the maturation of these "prospects". It's not an enviable situation. That said, if I thought BD would have more value in June, or even next winter, I would keep him. But I don't. IMHO he is a luxury this team would be remiss in not cashing in on.

 

 

 

 

Stay strong my friend... Freidman is good at this sort of thing and I'm willing to bet anyone that Friedman wouldn't take the deal he is offering us if he was GM of the Twins.

 

Friedman isn't going to trade more than he has to and he isn't going to feel like he has to if he feels like the Twins HAVE TO TRADE Dozier. 

 

Akroyd would have gotten more for that watch if he walks away from Bo Diddley after hearing the price. 

 

Being able to keep Dozier and coming up with other ways to get better is our best leverage. Don't give them potentially their best hitter for their third best prospect. Jose DeLeon by himself isn't enough to fix our problems anyway and I know absolutely nothing about DeLeon. 

 

You turn the tables on Friedman by forcing him to use plan B, C ,D or E. You force him to acquire Jed Lowrie instead because the Rockies won't take DeLeon straight up either... The Rays need Forsythe more than they need DeLeon... The Tigers are suddenly not going to tear things down with the AL Central declining like it is. Robinson Cano and Starlin Castro cost too much money. Force him to go down the list and settle for Jed Lowrie. Make the Dodgers settle instead of forcing the Twins to settle. And settling is what happens when you HAVE TO TRADE him. 

 

 

 

[TheLeviathan]

 

I'm inclined to agree, my contention was more with the certainty of Platoon's post than the thinking behind it.

 

And while it's likely Dozier's value drops the moment Opening Day hits, if he's truly a 6 WAR player now, it's possible his value will remain high in June.

 

We tend to view Dozier's 2016 as an aberration - which it likely is - but if he goes on another tear to open 2017, teams will likely view him as a legit 5-6 WAR player, not a legit 3-4 WAR player.

 

So, in a perfect scenario, a legit 5-6 WAR Dozier coupled with a desperate team at the deadline may net the Twins similar value.

 

Again, not a risk I'd take willingly but it's a possibility.

 

Gambling on Dozier's streakiness worries me considerably.  But I question whether position players are all that valuable any more mid-season.  When's the last one significant move?  Cespedes?  And that wasn't necessarily a "haul".

 

I think off-season is the time to do this and I consider it a mini-disaster if we can't find a way to make that happen.  We'll have lost a considerable asset's peak value.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Which of the big banks did you work for? I worked at a plaintiff's law firm for 3 years pursuing mortgage backed securities cases, so just wanted to know which of my former adversaries I'm dealing with.

haha. I work in inventory liquidity (supply and demand management) for a multinational manufacturing company. In this case we're trading contracts like securities instead of cash for goods like some of these market making discussions tend to be centered around.

[chpettit19]

The Twins can't come out of the Dozier trade with 1 pitching prospect. It would be a complete disaster. Adam Eaton is a heck of a defender in RF and a solid lead off hitter with a team friendly contract for 5 years. His contract length and affordability got the White Sox an extra prospect. Eaton is not a good defender in CF, which is where the Nats are apparently planning on playing him. That drastically decreases his value. The Sox got the Nats 3 best pitching prospects (or at least 3 of their top 4). 2 of which will be pitching in the majors this season.

 

If the Twins were to bring back simply De Leon it would be a complete failure on the part of the front office. Giolito is (or was depending on who you talk to) the top pitching prospect in baseball last year. Lopez and De Leon are ranked very similar to each other. Dunning was a first round pick this year. I don't care how nice Eaton's contract is, he is not worth that much more than Dozier.

 

The difference is how desperate the Nats were. Their timetable is 2 years and they know it. They have the money to spend on big free agents, but that doesn't mean they just have an eternally open window to win. They had a hole, felt desperate to fill it and gave up what the White Sox wanted. To this point the Dodgers don't feel that desperate. It's a risk to keep Dozier into the season as he could start off horribly or De Leon could take a step forward and start out super well. It's a risk worth taking. Trading Dozier straight up for 1 prospect is not getting value for him. It's getting the most you can right now, but it is an incredibly poor use of your resources.

 

The Twins have seemed to do everything they can to make it appear that there is some sort of bidding war and more teams interested in Dozier. The Dodgers didn't fall for it. Friedman is too smart to bid against himself. Putting the stories in the media is to get it on the owners radar. The Twins can't trick Friedman into giving up more, but they can convince Dodgers ownership that Utley playing second will ruin their chance to win a title. Convincing ownership that their window is closing and Dozier is the key to taking advantage of their current window is how you get more in this deal. Once ownership feels this is a deal they need to get done they call their employee, Mr. Friedman, and tell him to quit messing around and do what it takes to get this last piece in place. The Twins are playing this as well as they can and hopefully it turns out well for them. But trading him straight up for a prospect (and that's all De Leon is) just because that's all that's available is not a good decision.

[Platoon]

 

Stay strong my friend... Freidman is good at this sort of thing and I'm willing to bet anyone that Friedman wouldn't take the deal he is offering us if he was GM of the Twins.

 

Friedman isn't going to trade more than he has to and he isn't going to feel like he has to if he feels like the Twins HAVE TO TRADE Dozier. 

 

Akroyd would have gotten more for that watch if he walks away from Bo Diddley after hearing the price. 

 

Being able to keep Dozier and coming up with other ways to get better is our best leverage. Don't give them potentially their best hitter for their third best prospect. Jose DeLeon by himself isn't enough to fix our problems anyway and I know absolutely nothing about DeLeon. 

 

You turn the tables on Friedman by forcing him to use plan B, C ,D or E. You force him to acquire Jed Lowrie instead because the Rockies won't take DeLeon straight up either... The Rays need Forsythe more than they need DeLeon... The Tigers are suddenly not going to tear things down with the AL Central declining like it is. Robinson Cano and Starlin Castro cost too much money. Force him to go down the list and settle for Jed Lowrie. Make the Dodgers settle instead of forcing the Twins to settle. And settling is what happens when you HAVE TO TRADE him.

 

"Make the Dodgers settle instead of forcing the Twins to settle." We differ on this quote. Regardless of the outcome of this trade, I hope it is not made with any consideration as to whether the Dodgers are or are not satisfied, nor how anyone will view it based on a won/loss criteria. The only metric should be whether our FO gets what they feel is value for Dozier at this time. Despite my opinions, theirs is all that matters. To me the value of a deal, whether it be an excess garden tractor, or an excess second baseman rests solely on whether I got what I needed or wanted. What the other guy received or didn't receive in value is his problem. That said, years ago in a bar in a small town, a total stranger walked in, sat down with us, rolled up his sleeve and had a whole arm full of watches. "Wanna buy a watch?" . I never thought anyone actually did that except perhaps in vaudeville?

[Brandon]

Time limits is a proven sales and negotiating tactic. So no big deal there. Also remember it was Friedman who fleeced the Twins in the Delmon Young trade. We don't have to trade Dozier. We have a full rotation and 4 or 5 prospects who could be up by the end of 17. Now having more is always better but to trade a 30 hr, 15stolen base 2b. For 1 above average Prospect is lunacy.

[Doomtints]

 

sure it does. If the Dodgers are waiting out the Twins, announcing you are walking away puts the ball in the Dodgers court. Perfectly fair to say up your ante soon or I'm keeping Dozier.

 

You are completely not understanding. The best way to tell the Dodgers that you are going to walk away if they don't adjust the offer soon is to pick up the phone and tell them directly. You don't toss the story to your beat reporter and walk away. This is bad business and a n00b action. The likelihood of this working out in the Twins favor is near zero. If a deal gets done it will be in spite of this behavior, not because of it. And future GMs aren't going to want to do business with the Twins if they are going to cry to the media if a deal isn't going in their favor.

 

Note that baseball has very strong rules about leaking negotiations for players to the press. If the Dodgers are feeling particularly snarky they could file a grievance with the commissioner.

 

Whoever is negotiating this on behalf of the Twins has clearly never negotiated before. This move smacks of desperation and shows that they really want to move Dozier and the Dodgers are holding all the cards, in spite of them saying the opposite to their on staff beat reporter. 

Edited December 31, 2016 by Doomtints

[Obsvr]

 

 

Stay strong my friend... Freidman is good at this sort of thing and I'm willing to bet anyone that Friedman wouldn't take the deal he is offering us if he was GM of the Twins.

 

Friedman isn't going to trade more than he has to and he isn't going to feel like he has to if he feels like the Twins HAVE TO TRADE Dozier. 

 

Akroyd would have gotten more for that watch if he walks away from Bo Diddley after hearing the price. 

 

Being able to keep Dozier and coming up with other ways to get better is our best leverage. Don't give them potentially their best hitter for their third best prospect. Jose DeLeon by himself isn't enough to fix our problems anyway and I know absolutely nothing about DeLeon. 

 

You turn the tables on Friedman by forcing him to use plan B, C ,D or E. You force him to acquire Jed Lowrie instead because the Rockies won't take DeLeon straight up either... The Rays need Forsythe more than they need DeLeon... The Tigers are suddenly not going to tear things down with the AL Central declining like it is. Robinson Cano and Starlin Castro cost too much money. Force him to go down the list and settle for Jed Lowrie. Make the Dodgers settle instead of forcing the Twins to settle. And settling is what happens when you HAVE TO TRADE him. 

 

This x's 1000

 

 

[Obsvr]

You are completely not understanding. The best way to tell the Dodgers that you are going to walk away if they don't adjust the offer soon is to pick up the phone and tell them directly. You don't toss the story to your beat reporter and walk away. This is bad business and a n00b action. The likelihood of this working out in the Twins favor is near zero. If a deal gets done it will be in spite of this behavior, not because of it. And future GMs aren't going to want to do business with the Twins if they are going to cry to the media if a deal isn't going in their favor.

So, you know for a fact that they didn't call the dodgers and any other teams they are dealing with before they told the media?

 

Zero chance the Dodgers and other teams found out that way.

[Squirrel]

You are completely not understanding. The best way to tell the Dodgers that you are going to walk away if they don't adjust the offer soon is to pick up the phone and tell them directly. You don't toss the story to your beat reporter and walk away. This is bad business and a n00b action. The likelihood of this working out in the Twins favor is near zero. If a deal gets done it will be in spite of this behavior, not because of it. And future GMs aren't going to want to do business with the Twins if they are going to cry to the media if a deal isn't going in their favor.

 

Note that baseball has very strong rules about leaking negotiations for players to the press. If the Dodgers are feeling particularly snarky they could file a grievance with the commissioner.

 

Whoever is negotiating this on behalf of the Twins has clearly never negotiated before. This move smacks of desperation and shows that they really want to move Dozier and the Dodgers are holding all the cards, in spite of them saying the opposite to their on staff beat reporter.

 

I don't think that's an inference you can make from the article one way or the other.

[chpettit19]

 

You are completely not understanding. The best way to tell the Dodgers that you are going to walk away if they don't adjust the offer soon is to pick up the phone and tell them directly. You don't toss the story to your beat reporter and walk away. This is bad business and a n00b action. The likelihood of this working out in the Twins favor is near zero. If a deal gets done it will be in spite of this behavior, not because of it. And future GMs aren't going to want to do business with the Twins if they are going to cry to the media if a deal isn't going in their favor.

 

Note that baseball has very strong rules about leaking negotiations for players to the press. If the Dodgers are feeling particularly snarky they could file a grievance with the commissioner.

 

Whoever is negotiating this on behalf of the Twins has clearly never negotiated before. This move smacks of desperation and shows that they really want to move Dozier and the Dodgers are holding all the cards, in spite of them saying the opposite to their on staff beat reporter. 

 

Your point makes sense if you're correct with how it all went down. Who says it was even the Twins that released this? Is it completely impossible that the Dodgers called this reporter? It's more likely that it came from the Twins, but not the only possibility. And my guess would be that the Twins told the Dodgers and every other team they've talked with that this is their deadline. Probably days before this story even came out. To assume you know what's actually happening behind the scenes is pretty presumptive of you. It's a new front office who has no real track record of negotiating with teams. Having it known publicly that they wouldn't be pushed around and forced to take a crap trade is not a bad thing. If they get fleeced on their first big trade the entire league will look at them as a team that can be taken advantage of. This all would have been way better had the Dodgers thrown 2 top 7 prospects at them right away and the deal was done in a flash, but that's not how it went. The teams are playing a game of chicken now and having the rest of the league know that we didn't just cave and give in because the big, bad Dodgers told us to is not bad. In this day and age everything is made public. The "deadline" being made public is not a huge deal.

[Doomtints]

 

Your point makes sense if you're correct with how it all went down.

 

LEN3 published it He does not work for the Dodgers. 

[chpettit19]

 

LEN3 published it He does not work for the Dodgers. 

 

No, he works for the Minneapolis Start Tribune. Bet it wouldn't be too hard to get in contact with him (in fact his email address is lneal@startribune.com if you wanna give him some info). My point is that 1. you have no idea how it went down behind the scenes 2. in this day and age everything is made public so it's not surprising this was 3. I disagree that it's bad that it's been made public that the Twins won't just take whatever trade you put in front of them.

[Doomtints]

 

No, he works for the Minneapolis Start Tribune. Bet it wouldn't be too hard to get in contact with him (in fact his email address is lneal@startribune.com if you wanna give him some info). My point is that 1. you have no idea how it went down behind the scenes 2. in this day and age everything is made public so it's not surprising this was 3. I disagree that it's bad that it's been made public that the Twins won't just take whatever trade you put in front of them.

 

You're still missing the point.  How it went down behind the scenes is 100% irrelevant. I am 100% talking about an ultimatum from the Twins going to the press.

[Squirrel]

If it's an "implication" as you say, then no, it's not my "words", but nice try. No where did I state the the Twins did not make this ultimatum to the Dodgers directly. I have been absolutely clear that I am talking about the leak to the press. Regardless of the discussion with the Dodgers, a leak to the press is unjustified.

 

"LOOOOL"

I think that's what people are questioning ... how do you know they didn't have that conversation with the Dodgers FIRST, and that the press is just reporting where things are at? I think it's hugely presumptuous of you to assume that that conversation hasn't happened and that the press is reporting it to us, secondarily, to let us know that this is where things stand ... that there is a timeline in place.

 

And everyone, please stop the 'LOL-ing' at each other.

[chpettit19]

 

You're still missing the point.  How it went down behind the scenes is 100% irrelevant. I am 100% talking about an ultimatum from the Twins going to the press.

 

Ok then I think you're completely wrong about the entire thing. You really think other teams care that this report came out? They don't. The report is simply stating that the Twins won't leave Brian Dozier and the rest of their roster in limbo forever. They didn't say they'll never reopen negotiations. They have a season to prepare for and having this situation hanging over their head all offseason is bad for their team. I think you're overestimating what media reports mean to teams. Again, in this day and age everything is made public. All this report says is that the Twins need to move on from this situation and need to know what their team will look like moving into the season. If a team wants to get Dozier they can put their best deal on the table. If it isn't what they want they'll tell everyone "Thanks for the offer, but we're moving forward as is. If you want to offer us something better than this at a later date you have our number." This report is not an ultimatum as there will be no repercussions or a change in their relationship. It's way less aggressive than you seem to think it is. This will have absolutely 0 effect on any later negotiations with the Dodgers or any other organization.

[Platoon]

I think that's what people are questioning ... how do you know they didn't have that conversation with the Dodgers FIRST, and that the press is just reporting where things are at? I think it's hugely presumptuous of you to assume that that conversation hasn't happened and that the press is reporting it to us, secondarily, to let us know that this is where things stand ... that there is a timeline in place.

And everyone, please stop the 'LOL-ing' at each other.

I still have a flip phone! What do all those extra O's mean between the L's? Edited December 31, 2016 by Platoon

[PseudoSABR]

 

You're still missing the point.  How it went down behind the scenes is 100% irrelevant. I am 100% talking about an ultimatum from the Twins going to the press.

You really think the Twins went to the press before going directly to the Dodgers?  I don't.  

 

I also seriously doubt that a new regime would try to game other clubs through the media; I think that's more projection than interpretation of the facts we actually know. 

[Riverbrian]

 

You are missing credit and time value of currency part of the discussion. Buying Dozier with De Leon is like buying a 2 year bonx with a 6 year AR MBS.

The closer to maturity the less valuable the 2 year security becomes because your investment has less chance to grow. Meanwhile the risk decreases on the 6 year high risk AR MBS as time advances you are less likely for the debtors to default.

The more Mature De Leon gets the more clear what his value becomes and lower risk = more value. More mature Dozier gets the less value he has, because in two years you don't have to give up any assets to acquire him.

 

Sconnie,

 

Thank you for this twist in the discussion. I absolutely love the analogy.

 

Allow me to pile on to it. 

 

1. We as fans have access to the CRA reports. Just change Moody's to Keith Law or Fitch to Baseball America and those of us on the outside gobble up this information and quote as gospel thinking we got ourselves a winner without considering that the guys working for the credit rating agencies are the guys who couldn't get a a much better paying job on wall street and are relying on the wall street guys for their information and it is in the interest of the wall street guys to inflate the value of anything they are holding. The system can be gamed and most likely is reverse engineered. 

 

2. In the Case of Brian Dozier for Jose DeLeon... This mortgage backed security is an individual mortgage. It has not been packaged together to minimize the risk. No one would trade the safety of a bond even if it is approaching maturity for a single mortgage unless you had some inside information that the land it sits on will appreciate because you know developers are going to be putting in an Applebee's, School and Park or you know that if they put in that sunroom it would at least halt the depreciation of the structure. However... in this case... the Dodgers are the ones who most likely have the inside information needed to make an informed decision and they have basically said... you can't have this one and you can't have this one... but you can have this one. 

 

3. All we got is this single well paying bond and no idea if DeLeon is Sub-Prime AAA rated by Keith Law and about to be rated Junk ala Alex Meyer. 

 

4. The market changes every day... The Dodgers could go to plan B and trade with the Yankees and now the Yankees need a 2B and it all changes. I'd wait and see what happens. 

 

[Squirrel]

 

I still have a flip phone! What do all those extra O's mean between the L's?

Geez ... showing your age a bit, aren't you?

[Platoon]

Geez ... showing your age a bit, aren't you?

Proudly! LOOOL.

[AZTwin]

Do any of guys think we could get the dodgers to give up kershaw? That would solve our pitching problem and presumably help them with their money situation. Their view of their prospects is that their window is in 3-4 years. Maybe instead of going the dozier route, maybe we take the bring kershaw to dozier route.

 

We have the pieces. I think Tyler Jay, Felix Jorge, Daniel Palka and a guy like JT chargois would be enough