Dozier Trade Discussion Thread

[jimmer]

 

Because the Angels have probably one of the worst 3 farm systems in baseball

THE worst.

[AZTwin]

Because the Angels have probably one of the worst 3 farm systems in baseball

Mike Trout might get it done

[CiabanItReal]

 

LOL yeah this is all basically setting up as:

 

Twins trade Dozier for Alvarez+JDL+AAAA player.

As soon as it happens the Twins will spin it as "We held out and "won" the trade because we got them to include Alvarez" when in fact Alvarez was always in the deal to begin with.

These Twins "leaks" thus far are pretty funny tbh, the Angels being "in" on it, the Twins asking for final offers and The Twins putting a timeline on it for this week are all such obvious spin jobs coming from the FO. I don't know another franchise that does thing this obviously tbh.

Are there really rumors about the angels being "in" on Dozier? I could believe the angels calling and seriously being interested in a reliever or something, but Dozier?

[CiabanItReal]

 

 

The guy who broke the signings of Turner and Jansen has tweeted that the Dodgers have set this weekend as a deadline to get this deal done.

That makes sense, the dodgers can't wait on this trade forever either, the two teams can always come back and talk more in July.

[HawkeyeDodger]

 

That makes sense, the dodgers can't wait on this trade forever either, the two teams can always come back and talk more in July.

Their roster is stuck at 40 right now too and they seem to be waiting to announce the Jansen signing after the get JDL and possibly more traded to Minnesota.  If it isn't going to happen they need to move on figure out how to get their 40-man in order.  

[Oxtung]

Their roster is stuck at 40 right now too and they seem to be waiting to announce the Jansen signing after the get JDL and possibly more traded to Minnesota.  If it isn't going to happen they need to move on figure out how to get their 40-man in order.

 

How many spaces do you think they need to open up for additional reinforcements? That might play a role in who the Dodgers are willing to part with as well.

[Cory Engelhardt]

The guy who broke the signings of Turner and Jansen has tweeted that the Dodgers have set this weekend as a deadline to get this deal done.

Who is this guy? Just curious

[HawkeyeDodger]

 

How many spaces do you think they need to open up for additional reinforcements? That might play a role in who the Dodgers are willing to part with as well.

Right now they need one for Jansen and they got Culberson to agree to be assigned to AAA which isn't a big deal.  They also probably need to add a RH relief pitcher.  They may choose to look at adding RH help in LF if they can't get the Dozier thing done, but they've said they can't add an OF unless the move and OF.  DFA'ing someone like Ruf is an option.  There is no way that Ruf is on the club if SVS is healthy.  They could also move Yimi Garcia to the 60-man DL as soon as it allowed.

 

I agree with your assertion which is why I think they're might be rolling out an offer with JDL and De Jong plus others.  Those are two guys on the 40-man right now.  Of course Stewart fits the bill there too.  

[HawkeyeDodger]

 

Who is this guy? Just curious

Chris Camello.  He appears to cover LA Sports for Rebel Media.  He broke JT and KJ and had Turner's deal within $1 million dollars of being accurate.  He also broke that the Kenley was looking like he was coming back to LA when all of the other media was reporting otherwise.  He has some Dodgers sources that were definitely in the know.  He broke it on Twitter way before all the talking heads were trying to take credit.  It was funny because a lot people started blasting the others for taking credit.  Rosenthal sent Camello a tweet recognizing and congratulating him. He was a good 12-24 hrs ahead of the rest.  Of course, now that he broke such a story he's getting hit up daily for more info just like Dave is on this board.

 

Everyone was wondering who the hell is Chris Camello when he put it out there.

[CiabanItReal]

 

Chris Camello.  He appears to cover LA Sports for Rebel Media.  He broke JT and KJ and had Turner's deal within $1 million dollars of being accurate.  He also broke that the Kenley was looking like he was coming back to LA when all of the other media was reporting otherwise.  He has some Dodgers sources that were definitely in the know.  He broke it on Twitter way before all the talking heads were trying to take credit.  It was funny because a lot people started blasting the others for taking credit.  Rosenthal sent Camello a tweet recognizing and congratulating him. He was a good 12-24 hrs ahead of the rest.  Of course, now that he broke such a story he's getting hit up daily for more info just like Dave is on this board.

 

Everyone was wondering who the hell is Chris Camello when he put it out there.

Rosenthal is an absolute pro btw.

Their roster is stuck at 40 right now too and they seem to be waiting to announce the Jansen signing after the get JDL and possibly more traded to Minnesota.  If it isn't going to happen they need to move on figure out how to get their 40-man in order.  

Well, they want to trade Kaz and McCarthy but part of that hold up is figuring out what kind of depth they have going into the season, if they trade JDL, Stewart, DeJong etc, then that obviously plays a factor in who they can move.

Plus they can always just cut a guy like Ruff.

[AZTwin]

Rosenthal is an absolute pro btw.

Well, they want to trade Kaz and McCarthy but part of that hold up is figuring out what kind of depth they have going into the season, if they trade JDL, Stewart, DeJong etc, then that obviously plays a factor in who they can move.

Plus they can always just cut a guy like Ruff.

Probably ends up Deleon, Alvarez, Stewart, and future considerations (international free agency money)

[laloesch]

Probably ends up Deleon, Alvarez, Stewart, and future considerations (international free agency money)

I would be happy with that. JDL and Stewart could enter the rotation mix almost immediately, Alvarez in a couple of years. Dodgers should be too. Still have Beuhler, Sheffield and Urias.

[CiabanItReal]

I found this interesting article about potential Todd Frazier trade.

http://southsideshowdown.com/2017/01/04/white-sox-potential-trade-todd-frazier/

This is by a white sox blog, and their suggesting the return for a year of Todd Frazier who's a solid defensive 3b who just hit 40 home runs, would be Ty Blach, Austin Slater and Dylan Davis guys that are ranked 17, 22, and 23 by MLB.com in a weak giants system.

Frazier has a career 112 OPS+ 111 wRC+ he has stolen 48 bases the last 3 years and has one year of arbitration left.

Dozier has a career 108 OPS+ 107 wRC+ he has stolen 51 bases the last 3 years and is signed for 2 years at 6 mill then 9 mill.

 

They're both good infielders that currently play positions where most teams already have an internal option so neither team has a ton of trade options to look to.

[CiabanItReal]

 

 

Probably ends up Deleon, Alvarez, Stewart, and future considerations (international free agency money)

I'm really starting to think it wont, and that the twins are taking a pretty big gamble if they hold onto him.

[Rhino and Compass]

I was reading the comments on today's MLBTR post, and one stuck out to me, noting that a year and a half of Nunez brought back a top #100 prospect with a 4/5 starter ceiling, but some think the Dodgers are reluctant to part with more than a top #50 prospect with a 3/4 ceiling. Interesting perspective. Never read the comments, btw. 

[TyTY23]

 

Probably ends up Deleon, Alvarez, Stewart, and future considerations (international free agency money)

Three young controllable pitchers (6 years each) for a good not great player (2 years of control)?Get ready to be disappointed. 

[AZTwin]

Three young controllable pitchers (6 years each) for a good not great player (2 years of control)?Get ready to be disappointed.

No 3 prospects that all have significant risk associated with them and major yellow flags compared to a known all star type player. Get outta here with that haha. Be ready to be disappointed.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I was reading the comments on today's MLBTR post, and one stuck out to me, noting that a year and a half of Nunez brought back a top #100 prospect with a 4/5 starter ceiling, but some think the Dodgers are reluctant to part with more than a top #50 prospect with a 3/4 ceiling. Interesting perspective. Never read the comments, btw.

More inaccurate than interesting. Mejia was only barely "top 100" on BA's midseason list which excludes new draftees and signings. More accurately he was probably #130-140 or so in the full population of prospects, and a lot of evaluators consider rankings around that point to be pretty fluid (meaning, he could be one of 80 players ranked 120-200 that all have roughly equal claim to be ranked anywhere in that range).

 

Meanwhile, De Leon was consensus top 30 before last year on the proper preseason lists, and judging by MLB's list he hasn't slipped that much for 2017.

 

And there isn't really any question that the Dodgers would part with others in addition to De Leon, it's just a question of how many and what quality.

 

There is really no meaningful parallel to be drawn between the Nunez and potential Dozier deals.

[TyTY23]

 

No 3 prospects that all have significant risk associated with them and major yellow flags compared to a known all star type player. Get outta here with that haha. Be ready to be disappointed. 

Significant risk????? Major yellow flags??????? REALLY, lol. 

 

BTW, all star participation is meaningless in valuing players. Who else would have represented the Twins in the all star game this year. At least reference some meaningful statistic when evaluating or valuing a player. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Probably ends up Deleon, Alvarez, Stewart, and future considerations (international free agency money) .

You would be hard-pressed to find an impartial observer who would endorse that trade from the Dodgers side.

 

Even Dave's source, who has been more optimistic about the return than anyone in baseball media, isn't endorsing that as the likely deal.

[AZTwin]

Significant risk????? Major yellow flags??????? REALLY, lol.

 

BTW, all star participation is meaningless in valuing players. Who else would have represented the Twins in the all star game this year. At least reference some meaningful statistic when evaluating or valuing a player.

He was actually an all star in 2015 with glen Perkins. We have already mentioned relevant statistics such as 40 homerun 2B at the major league level. 3 seasons all over 20 homers. Dodgers need that RH power and it doesn't come cheap

[nater79a]

 

Mike Trout might get it done

 

Uh, yeah...Dodgers? Hold for a sec. We got the Angels on line #2.

 

[AZTwin]

You would be hard-pressed to find an impartial observer who would endorse that trade from the Dodgers side.

Actually I speculated a similar trade on another forum of rabid MLB fans (including LA fans) and they actually all thought it was fair. I suggested Deleon, Alvarez, Sheffield(rated higher than Stewart) and a lottery ticket for dozier. Most thought it was fair. One fan of a rival al central team thought the dodgers got the better end of the trade just because dozier is a known commodity

[AZTwin]

Uh, yeah...Dodgers? Hold for a sec. We got the Angels on line #2.

Lol yeah. It was a joke. I would give Dozier, buxton, Tyler Jay and Jorge for trout lol

[TyTY23]

 

He was actually an all star in 2015 with glen Perkins. We have already mentioned relevant statistics such as 40 homerun 2B at the major league level. 3 seasons all over 20 homers. Dodgers need that RH power and it doesn't come cheap

Ok... hrs are not relevant statistics....Free agent HR leaders; C. Carter, and Trumbo, are barely drawing much interest in the free agent market, and Encarnacion had to settle for a short term contract.   

[twinsnorth49]

Is he traded yet?

 

No?

 

K, check back in a month.

 

Bye

[TyTY23]

 

Actually I speculated a similar trade on another forum of rabid MLB fans (including LA fans) and they actually all thought it was fair. I suggested Deleon, Alvarez, Sheffield(rated higher than Stewart) and a lottery ticket for dozier. Most thought it was fair. One fan of a rival al central team thought the dodgers got the better end of the trade just because dozier is a known commodity

Now we are referencing posters on some forum? lol 

 

BTW Stewart is rated higher than Sheffield by FanGraphs

[AZTwin]

Now we are referencing posters on some forum? lol

 

BTW Stewart is rated higher than Sheffield by FanGraph

I was responding to the suggestion that impartial bystanders wouldn't think it's fair for the dodgers when that's just simply not true

[TyTY23]

 

I was responding to the suggestion that impartial bystanders wouldn't think it's fair for the dodgers when that's just simply not true

I think by impartial bystanders he meant people that actually know how trades work.  

[AZTwin]

I think by impartial bystanders he meant people that actually know how trades work.

Those fans are some of the most knowledgeable and die hard fans I have met. Nothing to take away from this board but they really understand the game at a national level and prospects. It's a closed group so that helps eliminate trolls so it's meaningful discussion