Let's discuss the impending trade of Brian Dozier here:

To re-iterate: Stewart and Lux are OFF the table for the 3rd part of the trade.

Am I to assume DeLeon and Alvarez are the first two players?

 

To re-iterate: Stewart and Lux are OFF the table for the 3rd part of the trade.

It feels like the trade is close with these two off the table. It seems like it's getting really narrowed down.

Am I to assume DeLeon and Alvarez are the first two players?

Yup!

Based on where Lux & Stewart sit in their organizational rankings, I suppose that rules out Calhoun too.  I like him as an OF in a year or two.  His low whiff numbers and big power in a little package interest me.

Buehler? Buehler? Is Buehler on the table?

 

How about Sheffield?

If Alvarez and De Leon are the first two pieces than I think someone more like Sborz (#15 on mlbpipeline) or Rhame.  Rhame looks to be a Reed-like reliever while Sborz has controll issues but could be a mid-rotation starter if it all breaks right. 

 

I've also always been a fan of Austin Barnes.

I think I read someplace Barnes has already been named as the Dodgers backup catcher this year. Doubt he would be in a deal. 

 

Sheffield seems like a reasonable third piece to go after. He has enough issues (health, control, good chance of ending up in the bullpen) that he isn't a top end prospect, but he does have very good upside.

 

If they can't get Sheffield then the next option would be to get a lottery ticket type player (Heredia or Abdullah for example) along with a 4th prospect (Mitch White?).

Hold on, what changed? Is it actually close now?

If I were the Twins, I'd ask for Keibert Ruiz ©, Ronny Brito (OF) or Imani Abdullah (RHP) as my third piece lottery ticket. I think DaveW already suggested the Dodgers are balking at players like that though. All are 19 or younger, so the Dodgers shouldn't think it would affect their current window at all.

Edited December 20, 20169 yr by nytwinsfan

I still question exactly how motivated the Twins are to make this trade. They should be asking for a lot for Dozier – at least two near MLB-ready starters. De Leon is one. Alvarez is not - he's at least two years from breaking into the majors.

 

Jordan Sheffield is equally as far-out as Alvarez. Yes, these two might end up being in the Twins rotation in two or three or four years, but there are no guarantees.

 

I just don't think this deal is as close as many others think it is. I would hate for the Twins to have to 'settle' for players they just don't want to get one or two players they do want.

I also like Barnes but think he is also considered too good for a third piece. It seems like the Dodgers want those pieces to be 20-25 guys (based on Dave's relayed info).

If I were the Twins, I'd ask for Keibert Ruiz ©, Ronny Brito (OF) or Imani Abdullah (RHP) as my third piece lottery ticket. I think DaveW already suggested the Dodgers are balking at players like that though. All are 19 or younger, so the Dodgers shouldn't think it would affect their current window at all.

Ronny Brito is actually a SS.

Why was the other thread locked just to start an identical one? I don't get it. Nothing has happened. I haven't commented in this but whether it's true or not, the underlying info is the same as the OP, sans the incorrect timeline.

Edited December 20, 20169 yr by drivlikejehu

Why was the other thread locked just to start an identical one? I don't get it. Nothing has happened. I haven't commented in this but whether it's true or not, the underlying info is the same as the OP, sans the incorrect timeline.

Second this. Why a new thread? What has changed?

Personally, I'm glad for the new thread. It's cumbersome to have to go through all those pages to see if someone has responded to your thread.

 

Or if someone has a new idea, or new information.

Lot of haters hating.

That's one half of the equation anyway.

 

 

On the topic of Dozier, I'm still holding out hope for a stocking full of high-end prospects for Christmas.

 

That's one half of the equation anyway.


On the topic of Dozier, I'm still holding out hope for a stocking full of high-end prospects for Christmas.

 

If I don't get some love by Valentine's Day I'm sending the break up text.

I referenced this in the other thread, but there's a rather good article from the Dodgers perspective dated Nov 30th on DodgersDigest.  The site was started by Mike Petriello before he moved onto MLB Network/Statcast and Chad Moriyama.  They usually have some of the best and most accurate analysis around.  You may not like their opinions (and yes, its nothing more than opinion) but its a good read.

 

http://dodgersdigest.com/2016/11/30/dodgers-twins-match-up-well-on-potential-brian-dozier-deal/

Question to you all:

 

Putting aside for a moment who exactly is on or off the table for sure, (which the Dodgers could change at any moment based on a desire to finish the deal, OR, the Twins taking salary back, etc), which is truly the best overall fit for the Twins as the 3rd piece in this puzzle? Is it someone like Stewart who may be close? Or are we better off with someone else like a Sheffield or one of the other younger and further away youngsters with more potential but more questions?

 

JDL joins Berrios, May, Mejia, Gonsalves, and a number of SP candidates that will all probably begin next season at AA. I'm not so sure a younger, less proven lottery type isn't more fitting for the Twins at this point.

 

Question to you all:

Putting aside for a moment who exactly is on or off the table for sure, (which the Dodgers could change at any moment based on a desire to finish the deal, OR, the Twins taking salary back, etc), which is truly the best overall fit for the Twins as the 3rd piece in this puzzle? Is it someone like Stewart who may be close? Or are we better off with someone else like a Sheffield or one of the other younger and further away youngsters with more potential but more questions?

JDL joins Berrios, May, Mejia, Gonsalves, and a number of SP candidates that will all probably begin next season at AA. I'm not so sure a younger, less proven lottery type isn't more fitting for the Twins at this point.

 

I agree. You DON'T need multiple major league ready starters for Dozier. Better off getting a higher potential starter from the lower levels of the minors as the second piece, IMO ...

 

To re-iterate: Stewart and Lux are OFF the table for the 3rd part of the trade.

Has Ross Stripling ever been brought up at all?

I agree. You DON'T need multiple major league ready starters for Dozier. Better off getting a higher potential starter from the lower levels of the minors as the second piece, IMO ...

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Moderator warning:

 

We know it's slow right now but the old thread was closed because of the bickering and constant straying from topic. Discuss Dozier and the possibilities or move on. This is not a constant update thread nor a thread to poke at or reference the validity of anyone's sources. Talk about Dozier and the possibilities or move along. And if you want to joke and talk about off-topic whatever, consider posting in the off-season game thread just for the heck of it.

 

Question to you all:

Putting aside for a moment who exactly is on or off the table for sure, (which the Dodgers could change at any moment based on a desire to finish the deal, OR, the Twins taking salary back, etc), which is truly the best overall fit for the Twins as the 3rd piece in this puzzle? Is it someone like Stewart who may be close? Or are we better off with someone else like a Sheffield or one of the other younger and further away youngsters with more potential but more questions?

JDL joins Berrios, May, Mejia, Gonsalves, and a number of SP candidates that will all probably begin next season at AA. I'm not so sure a younger, less proven lottery type isn't more fitting for the Twins at this point.

 

I feel like others on the site have a different understanding of the word Lottery.  Why would we want a lower level Lottery pick player instead of a prospect who has proven himself at higher levels?  I get spreading out when guys may be MLB ready, but a lottery type player most likely never makes it.  For a player like Dozier, they better get players who will help the MLB roster this year or in a few years. 

 

Never never never never never trade a Major league hitter for a pitcher.  You will almost always lose the trade.  If we don't get a Major League SS or catcher, we won't get value for Dozier and you will gripe about the trade for the next 20 years.