DaveW: Dodgers trade for Dozier to be completed within the next 24 hours

[TheLeviathan]

 

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That equates to about $50-$100 in revenue for the site, at the very least all owners of this site have enough for a free lunch because of this thread!

 

Working for our overlords now eh?

 

Sellout.

[DaveW]

 

Working for our overlords now eh?

 

Sellout.

Just part 1 of me draining the swamp.

[kab21]

I am just enjoying this thread and how worked up people are getting about it. It kind of brings back memories of BYTO. That makes this thread awesome all by itself.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

When it comes to fruition I will be pleased with the return on Dozier (honestly I think De Leon alone is a haul) but add in Alavrez or the masher and it's even nicer! (Which is what the trade will end up being)

But if the Dodgers really offered De Leon plus Alvarez or Bellinger, I don't think we'd be in a waiting mode, which seems to be the consensus of reports (and isn't really contradicted by your report).

 

Unless you think the Twins have been in active final negotiations with the Dodgers since yesterday and no one else has noticed, which might be believable in sleepy Minnesota but hardly in LA.

[Mike Sixel]

IMO, this site takes itself way too seriously. It's fine, those of us that come too often know what to expect.....

 

But, even the contributors take every conversation like it is some life and death thing, and not a few hundred people sitting around a bar talking about trivial sports' topics.

 

IMO, of course.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

It might also suggest that Dozier is a hot commodity and the team is trying to leverage league-wide interest into getting even more.

 

It's not like the trades the last few days have been light on prospects.

I don't think Dozier is such a hot commodity that they could sit on an offer of two top 30-ish overall prospects (which is what De Leon and Bellinger would represent).  That's comparable to the Sale and Eaton returns.  If that was on the table, the Twins would hammer out the deal then and there.

[Vanimal46]

 

IMO, this site takes itself way too seriously. It's fine, those of us that come too often know what to expect.....

 

But, even the contributors take every conversation like it is some life and death thing, and not a few hundred people sitting around a bar talking about trivial sports' topics.

 

IMO, of course.

Concur. Whether or not this works out, what else are we going to talk about that's Twins related? Justin Haley? Yawn.... 

[TheLeviathan]

 

I don't think Dozier is such a hot commodity that they could sit on an offer of two top 30-ish overall prospects.  That's comparable to the Sale and Eaton returns.  If that was on the table, the Twins would hammer out the deal then and there.

 

Did you see what Eaton got?

 

Maybe that changed their mind?  Just speculating.

[twinsnorth49]

A thread speculating on Dozier getting traded?

 

Careful out on that limb.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Did you see what Eaton got?

 

Maybe that changed their mind?  Just speculating.

By the most recent MLB rankings, Eaton fetched #3 Giolito and #38 Lopez, plus a third pitcher Dunning -- not sure how he'd rank, he was picked 29th overall in June which is pretty good, but he was a college pitcher in low-A so I don't think he cracks a top 100 yet.

 

Bellinger and De Leon were 32-33 in the rankings; Alvarez 91.  If two of those are on the board, you've largely matched the Eaton return as much as possible. At that point, you hammer out the details and get it done, and you can probably get a wild card like Dunning in that process.  You don't have to hold out to haggle over those last pieces.

 

Who around the league could we even play against that?  The Nationals are out; the Braves would be hard pressed to match it with Swanson off the table.  The Yankees could do it, but pretty much only with position player prospects.

[DaveW]

 

I don't think Dozier is such a hot commodity that they could sit on an offer of two top 30-ish overall prospects (which is what De Leon and Bellinger would represent).  That's comparable to the Sale and Eaton returns.  If that was on the table, the Twins would hammer out the deal then and there.

To be fair, the Twins aren't the ones in a rush at this stage. The Dodgers need Dozier a lot more than the Twins need to rid them selves of Dozier. Now that the rule 5 draft is done you will see things pick back up.

[TheLeviathan]

 

By the most recent MLB rankings, Eaton fetched #3 Giolito and #38 Lopez, plus a third pitcher -- not sure how he'd rank, he was picked 29th overall in June which is pretty good, but he was a college pitcher in low-A so I don't think he cracks a top 100 yet.

 

Bellinger and De Leon were 32-33 in the rankings; Alvarez 91.  If two of those are on the board, you've largely matched the Eaton return as much as possible.

 

Who around the league could we even play against that?  The Nationals are out; the Braves would be hard pressed to match it with Swanson off the table.  The Yankees could do it, but pretty much only with position player prospects.

 

If you had asked me before yesterday what Eaton would fetch I would've suggested half of what he actually got.  So, that's fueling some of my hesitation against your conclusion.  Which could well be right.

[DaveW]

 

what else are we going to talk about that's Twins related? Justin Haley? Yawn.... 

Plus it's far to early to be sticking forks in anyone....though if they sign Clayton Richard I might have to goto my silverware drawer earlier then expected...

[DaveW]

I would also like to point out that I easily could have "hedged" this whole report by saying (end of month) or something of that nature, however like I said, my source said it would be complete within 24 hours, so I have no issue with standing by that, and ultimately if the trade goes through tomorrow or a week from now I will be "wrong" and have no qualms about it. Like I said, this won't discourage me from posting these things in the future (which happen to be every 3-4 years or so)

[Dantes929]

 

Vintage Dave - this place will never be boring.

Everything seems like this should be a deal for both sides. 

It would be funny to go back in time to the first half of last season when Dozier was in a slump and read the perceptions of him. Getting two top 50 prospects at that time would have seemed preposterous.

Well, his last 4 months of the year were preposterous.     I don't know why people think Dozier is so easily replaced.    I would not give him up for less than two top 50.  He has become more than a one dimensional hitter.   As so often is the case he seemed to become a little less focused on hitting home runs and as a result, hit more home runs.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

To be fair, the Twins aren't the ones in a rush at this stage. The Dodgers need Dozier a lot more than the Twins need to rid them selves of Dozier. Now that the rule 5 draft is done you will see things pick back up.

It's not really a rush thing, though.  Once two top prospect are on the table, things get done.  I doubt that the White Sox were sitting on Moncada/Kopech and Giolito/Alvarez offers while they pondered their options in the Rule 5 draft.  Teams don't offer two top ~30ish overall prospects just to be told to wait.

[ashbury]

20,000 views.

 

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[Vanimal46]

 

Plus it's far to early to be sticking forks in anyone....though if they sign Clayton Richard I might have to goto my silverware drawer earlier then expected...

No need to go into that drawer.... All of us at TD chipped in to buy you the world's largest fork! Merry Christmas! 

 

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[DaveW]

 

It's not really a rush thing, though.  Once two top prospect are on the table, things get done.  I doubt that the White Sox were sitting on Moncada/Kopech and Giolito/Alvarez offers while they pondered their options in the Rule 5 draft.  Teams don't offer two top ~30ish overall prospects just to be told to wait.

The White Sox were definitely sitting on the Giolito offer, and it paid off for them big time. By all accounts they sat on the Nationals offer for 48+ hours and used it as leverage to get an even bigger haul from Boston.

[DaveW]

 

No need to go into that drawer.... All of us at TD chipped in to buy you the world's largest fork! Merry Christmas! 

 

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[Otto von Ballpark]

 

If you had asked me before yesterday what Eaton would fetch I would've suggested half of what he actually got.  So, that's fueling some of my hesitation against your conclusion.  Which could well be right.

That's fair, I was surprised by the Eaton return too.  But it still doesn't make sense to me for the Twins to sit on a roughly comparable offer from the Dodgers.

 

To me, an offer of De Leon/Bellinger or De Leon/Alvarez is basically akin to putting Giolito/Lopez or Moncada/Kopech on the table -- it means you want to get it done.  I don't think the Twins front office would play games at that point -- if you're not willing to immediately engage that offer and get something done, it's a sign you're not really serious and that could put the whole thing in jeopardy.  The Dodgers could turn around and ink Turner at any moment and completely change the complexion of their needs at 2B.  (Or jump on a fire sale deal from the White Sox for Frazier and others.)

[Oldgoat_MN]

I don't see why the Twins would be drawing this out. As stated a hundred or so posts ago, the Rockies are giving up position players for pitching. Their 2B, LeMahieu had a .911 OPS this year and will not be a free agent until 2019. 

 

I don't know who the Rockies have behind him, but LeMahieu is younger and cheaper and they would have him as long as they would have Dozier.

 

If I were the Twins I would pull the trigger and get it done.

 

EDIT: the Rockies remark was #215 by laloesch.

[DaveW]

 

I don't see why the Twins would be drawing this out. As stated a hundred or so posts ago, the Rockies are giving up position players for pitching. Their 2B, LeMahieu had a .911 OPS this year and will not be a free agent until 2019. 

 

I don't know who the Rockies have behind him, but LeMahieu is younger and cheaper and they would have him as long as they would have Dozier.

 

If I were the Twins I would pull the trigger and get it done.

The Rockies also just signed Desmond to play 1st base for like 90 million, I wouldn't be concerned with what that FO is or isn't doing...

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

The White Sox were definitely sitting on the Giolito offer, and it paid off for them big time. By all accounts they sat on the Nationals offer for 48+ hours and used it as leverage to get an even bigger haul from Boston.

For Sale, maybe.  But Sale is better with a much larger trade market.  The Twins have relatively few options to play against the Dodgers, especially if the target is pitching.  (And especially now that maybe their second best suitor, the Nats, are out.)

 

I guarantee the White Sox didn't sit on the Red Sox offer once the top two names were on the table, and they didn't sit on the Nationals offer for Eaton when those top two names came up.

 

Two of De Leon/Bellinger/Alvarez for Dozier would pretty close to a "f*****-A" trade offer by the Dodgers, and I think it is highly unlikely the Twins would sit on that without meaningful engagement (which would be noticed by others at the winter meetings) for upwards of 24 hours now.

[Han Joelo]

Maybe Falvine has a Kluber/Arrieta type favorite targeted for that third guy. Seems like those throw in guys are just as important as the headliners in many cases with big trades.

 

Anyway, viva le internet "news!" For some reason I feel like watching boxing on HBO now.

[Doomtints]

I like the topic of this thread, where it contains the name of the poster.  We need more threads like this.

 

DaveW:  Wonder to stop making sliced bread

DaveW:  World peace will be achieved unless we nuke each other first

DaveW:  I'm hungry, what's for lunch

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I don't see why the Twins would be drawing this out. As stated a hundred or so posts ago, the Rockies are giving up position players for pitching. Their 2B, LeMahieu had a .911 OPS this year and will not be a free agent until 2019. 

 

I don't know who the Rockies have behind him, but LeMahieu is younger and cheaper and they would have him as long as they would have Dozier.

 

If I were the Twins I would pull the trigger and get it done.

LeMahieu's 2016 screams fluke even more than Dozier's.  LeMahieu's career WAR was 6.2 entering last season, over the equivalent of 3+ full seasons, and it was mostly defense.  Dozier posted a 6.5 last year alone.  Plus, nobody puts much faith in a single season like that in Coors Field -- batting champions Morneau, Cuddyer, and LeMahieu!

 

Not sure if LeMahieu is notably cheaper either -- he's only $1.2 mil cheaper in 2017, and he's arb eligible for 2018 and his batting title might inflate that quite a bit even if he comes back to earth next year.

[DaveW]

 

I like the topic of this thread, where it contains the name of the poster.  We need more threads like this.

 

DaveW:  Wonder to stop making sliced bread

DaveW:  World peace will be achieved unless we nuke each other first

DaveW:  I'm hungry, what's for lunch

To be fair, I wasn't the one who changed the topic to say DaveW, that was all the mods and such (which I think only turns this into more of a sideshow then it should be) we should be discussing the trade, not the merits of the poster.

[Doomtints]

 

To be fair, I wasn't the one who changed the topic to say DaveW

 

Yeah, I know.  Nevertheless, you should have responded thusly:

 

DaveW:  To be fair, I wasn't the one who changed the topic to say DaveW.

Missed opportunity.  :/

[Vanimal46]

 

 

DaveW:  I'm hungry, what's for lunch

But really though, what's for lunch? I'm getting hungry.