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Ryan did Falvey a nice favor by signing Dozier to that extension. What a chip to play with during your first winter meetings in charge.

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From La Velle's piece:   --But there's no rush here to move Dozier. If the Twins don't like the names they are hearing, they can hold on to Dozier and see who caves at the trade deadline.--   I think

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I don't think removing those four and adding Sale makes the Twins a playoff team in 2017. Even if you took Sale off of the White Sox last year, that was still likely a better team than the Twins have

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Sure would be nice if the Twins were in on the Chris Sale talks. He would be hard to get with the asking price but I think the Twins have the players and prospects to pull it off.
I would do Eddie Rosario, Brian Dozier, Santiago and Jose Berrios for Chris Sale, and a shortstop prospect. Yes I would do it for only the two years of team control. This team desperately need's an Ace that will set everyone else up.
To me Chris Sale is like Johan Santana was a dominant front line starter. He would set up Phil Hughes and our current Ervin Santana to be a top notch three starters deep rotation.
You need three starters deep with a true Ace to win in this league.

I think the Twins should be focused on trying to cultivate and develop the next Chris Sale over the next 3 to 5 years, not mortgage the future on a Team that has no chance to win in all in 2017. Plus if I'm the white sox I laugh at that package and counter with something involving probably both Sano and Buxton

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You start low, but I think the Sox would ask for Buxton or Sano in any package for Sale. I agree on that they would insist on one of the two. I thought maybe with Sale on board the Twins would be a lot more competitive in 2017. Guess I'm way off base in my assesment.
Agree the Twins probably don't have what it takes to get Sale, would hope the front office would at least have a conversation with the White Sox.

Lights out Chris Sale has a WAR of around 7, a more reasonable expectation is 4 to 6. A historically lights out season for a pitcher delivers a WAR of 10. Say you believe the Twins are a 70 win team next season without Sale, maybe he gets them to 75-77 wins. That doesn't even count taking out at minimum a Sano or Buxton. Not worth it. Where it becomes worth it is with a team that will likely win in the high 80's and then would have him for the playoffs. The Twins aren't cashing in on that over the next two seasons. 

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Not sure if you're watching or not.... If you are, could you give us the cliff notes from the interview?

They did a lot of joking around, but he said that he's meeting with Levine and Falvey tonight. He's paying attention to and taking a positive approach to all of the rumors and taking it as a compliment, but said he'd like to be here for the long haul to win with the Twins. Overall, he said it's a really exciting time for him.

 

He's such a great guy, which makes the possibility of him being traded a tough one.

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This is all setting us up for a massive let down when Dozier is not dealt for a franchise saving trade.

There's a good chance that will happen but it's promising the Dodgers are in the conversation, as they're the best fit for the trade. They need Dozier and they have what the Twins need.

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I don't think your offer comes even close to getting Sale.  The White Sox are rebuilding.  They might want Dozier just to trade him again, but otherwise, they wouldn't want him at all.  My guess is any Twins offer would have to include Buxton and/or Sano along with Berrios.

 

I think that Dozier, Berrios, and Gordon with be just about right

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There's a good chance that will happen but it's promising the Dodgers are in the conversation, as they're the best fit for the trade. They need Dozier and they have what the Twins need.

 

What is even more promising is the 4-5 teams in the mix.  That could quickly drive up the price.

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You would give up our best pitching prospect, a possible starting LF and our best position player for an Ace with only two years of team control?

 

What do you do when Sale walks in 2 years for more money and a team that is more competitive? BTW, with that trade you just strengthened one of our chief competitors.

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No way do I wanna see us trade for Sale. Why would we every give up our top young players/prospects for a pitcher to have for 2 years, then watch walk away. The White Sox would be asking for a huge haul in return too.

 

Also if the Yankee report is true that is very good news. The Yankees do have a lot of young players we could be interested in. I'd assume Gary Sanchez would be untouchable but hopefully we could get a package headlined by Severino. I also like Justus Sheffield, Domingo Acevedo, Dillon Tate, Judge, Torres, Mateo, and Frazier. So the Yankees got prospects to deal. A bidding war between the Dodgers and Yankees would be a dream situation. So hopefully the Yankees do have interest in Dozier.

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It's interesting with the "almost a hard cap" part of the new CBA, that seems like it helps the Twins in this negotiation. If before you had basically unlimited funds, but now your spending is being restricted to, say $250M, having a way above average guy at $8M, is a big deal because it might allow you to splurge somewhere else.

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No way do I wanna see us trade for Sale. Why would we every give up our top young players/prospects for a pitcher to have for 2 years, then watch walk away. The White Sox would be asking for a huge haul in return too.

 

Also if the Yankee report is true that is very good news. The Yankees do have a lot of young players we could be interested in. I'd assume Gary Sanchez would be untouchable but hopefully we could get a package headlined by Severino. I also like Justus Sheffield, Domingo Acevedo, Dillon Tate, Judge, Torres, Mateo, and Frazier. So the Yankees got prospects to deal. A bidding war between the Dodgers and Yankees would be a dream situation. So hopefully the Yankees do have interest in Dozier.

I also like the Yankees news too. They have four top 25 prospects in baseball, 6 top 100, and that doesn't even count guys like Sanchez and Severino. My god what a farm they've assembled there as of late.

 

For whatever reason, I don't see the Yankees being willing to pony up some of these guys quite yet as they just stocked up last season and they might want to go the free agent route and supplement those guys with a solid young nucleus until the deadline where they could really make a splash with a big guy if they are in contention. 

 

But they certainly have a lot of prospects that would make sense for the Twins to target.

 

Luis Severino, Justus Sheffield, Dillon Tate, and Domingo Acevedo are all pitchers and we obviously need that.

 

Clint Frazier & Aaron Judge are absolute studs in the outfield and either could help form a potentially deadly outfield for the next 5 years with Kepler, Buxton, and Rosario.

 

Torres & Mateo can both play shortstop which we will have a hole at. 

 

I'd like to see either one of Severino, Torres, Mateo, Frazier, Judge be the headline of the deal and I don't know if the Yankees will go for that. If for some reason they offer TWO of the previous Five guys I listed, you pull that trigger right away. This would only happen if a bidding war takes place. Even in that scenario I see the Yankees pulling out as Castro was actually decent last year

 

 

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Ken Rosenthal:

Sources: Legitimate chance of Sale trade to #Nationals. Robles, Giolito would go to #WhiteSox. Teams haggling over final pieces in deal.

 

Jon Heyman basically saying the same thing. Looking pretty likely at this point. 

 

Scherzer, Sale, Strasburg... that's not a bad 1-3.

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Maybe the Yankees aren't in play but it did get me thinking a bit.  While a young potential Ace starting pitcher is everyone's dream here, there are other possibilities to improving the pitching situation.  I'll type this up about the Yankees but it could apply to other teams as well.

 

The Twins could look to trade Dozier for a good all around SS (in this case like Torres/Mateo).  In a year or two if/when Gordon is ready you play some combination of Torres, Polanco and Gordon at 2nd/3rd/SS.  Move Sano to DH or 1B.  Combined with Buxton in CF and Kepler in one of the corners that is one hell of a defense.  There is speed and athleticism everywhere across the board.  It will also be a pretty cheap lineup freeing up money for another masher at 1B or a corner OF spot.  Or alternatively the Twins could go real big on a pitcher. 

 

Combine all of that with a good framing catcher and I think there would be a real significant change in the stats of the pitchers.  Will that turn a Gibson into an ace? No.  Could that defense/catcher drop his ERA to consistently sub 4? Perhaps.

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