Yesterday on 1500's The Ride with Reusse, Joe Schmidt of KSTP said he'd heard through sources that Allen and Brunansky were already axed. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Nope, but Twins need a cleansing ....for most of their coaches and manager and front office, things need to CHANGE!!!!!

I'd find that a bit surprising considering Falvey hasn't taken the post yet.  I wouldn't think moves would be made at this point until he takes the reigns.  Unless of course, Molitor fired them to try to save his own butt.  

Edited October 7, 201610 yr by wsnydes

I'd find that a bit surprising considering Falvey hasn't taken the post yet. I wouldn't think moves would be made at this point until he takes the reigns. Unless of course, Molitor fired them to try to save his own butt.

They already announced the hire, he's in charge already.

It wouldn't make any sense to wait until after the postseason to let him make any moves, considering how vocal the Twins were on not wanting to wait on a hire.

 

They already announced the hire, he's in charge already.
It wouldn't make any sense to wait until after the postseason to let him make any moves, considering how vocal the Twins were on not wanting to wait on a hire.

Yes, but he hasn't started the job yet.  The agreement was that he'd start after Cleveland's season was over, so he really isn't in charge yet since he hasn't even had his first day on the job yet.

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Yes, but he hasn't started the job yet.  The agreement was that he'd start after Cleveland's season was over, so he really isn't in charge yet since he hasn't even had his first day on the job yet.

We don't know what is going on in the front office but It's easy to speculate. He was hired several weeks ago and he may or may not have already set some moves in place and I'm sure he has a phone as do the people in the Twins office.

 

The Indians played the Twins 17 times this year and they certainly have an extensive scouting report on the Twins so he should already have some ideas what to do. 

I'm not sure Brunansky was the problem.  I suspect him and Molitor teach batting the same way. 

 

Having said that, cutting coaches is inevitable and Molitor might want to save up his 2017 salary because the odds are very long that he is around after 2017.  

 

We don't know what is going on in the front office but It's easy to speculate. He was hired several weeks ago and he may or may not have already set some moves in place and I'm sure he has a phone as do the people in the Twins office.

 

The Indians played the Twins 17 times this year and they certainly have an extensive scouting report on the Twins so he should already have some ideas what to do. 

 

It's possible he is active with the Twins already but not likely.  Antony is probably still at the controls, though he is probably consulting with him and giving him veto power over any moves.

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We don't know what is going on in the front office but It's easy to speculate. He was hired several weeks ago and he may or may not have already set some moves in place and I'm sure he has a phone as do the people in the Twins office.

 

The Indians played the Twins 17 times this year and they certainly have an extensive scouting report on the Twins so he should already have some ideas what to do. 

I don't disagree with any of that.  I'd still find it odd that he'd be making moves before officially starting the job.  There is also the possibility that he has no authority until he actually starts.  Like you said though, we don't really know.

 

I feel that it would be irresponsible for Falvey to partially come in and then leave and start making decisions away from the organization.  This is only my view from the outside though.

Edited October 7, 201610 yr by wsnydes

It was in Sid's column yesterday. Here it is. 

 

• The word around Target Field is that Twins pitching coach Neil Allen, hitting coach Tom Brunansky, assistant hitting coach Rudy Hernandez and first base coach Butch Davis won’t return to work for Paul Molitor next season. Bench coach Joe Vavra, bullpen coach Eddie Guardado and third base coach Gene Glynn have a good chance of returning.

 

Some talk on the radio that maybe Chad Allen might join the staff in Bruno's place. 

 

 

It's possible he is active with the Twins already but not likely.  Antony is probably still at the controls, though he is probably consulting with him and giving him veto power over any moves.

This is what I would think is the most likely scenario.  At this point, I'm guessing Antony is only doing what needs to be done to keep the ship afloat.  

 

If Molitor is able to handle his own staff and moves are made, I would think that Molitor is acting on his own with permission from above.  

Edited October 7, 201610 yr by wsnydes

 

It was in Sid's column yesterday. Here it is. 

 

• The word around Target Field is that Twins pitching coach Neil Allen, hitting coach Tom Brunansky, assistant hitting coach Rudy Hernandez and first base coach Butch Davis won’t return to work for Paul Molitor next season. Bench coach Joe Vavra, bullpen coach Eddie Guardado and third base coach Gene Glynn have a good chance of returning.

 

Some talk on the radio that maybe Chad Allen might join the staff in Bruno's place. 

But who fired them?  Molitor?  And if so, does Molitor need get the OK from Falvey?

 

It is strange that the person who will be in charge soon would let the current regime just make moves without him there.

It's interesting if Chad Allen gets the hitting coach job that he basically has been the hitting coach at one time or another for Sano, Rosario, Kepler, and Buxton in his time at several twins Minor League affiliates. This past season he was at Rochester. Before that he was at Chatanooga. 

 

Hard to believe they are making moves w/o Falvey's involvement. Very hard.

Twins scored 724 runs this year and were ninth out of 15 American League teams. That's not terrible. And it seemed like in September they didn't hardly score at all because they were on such a losing slide. 

 

 

But who fired them?  Molitor?  And if so, does Molitor need get the OK from Falvey?

 

It is strange that the person who will be in charge soon would let the current regime just make moves without him there.

 

Molitor. And they're on one-year deals so I'm guessing he doesn't need Falvey's OK ...

The only thing officially reported was that on Monday, Rob Antony met with the coaching staff and said everything was in a holding pattern. 

 

Maybe there's been more but I'd kind of doubt it.

 

It'd seem strange that Bruno and Allen would be let go. I don't full subscribe to all Bruno does, and the Ks bug me... but they've been alright. And, Allen has worked with so many of the young players. He would seem to be a successor candidate.

I was hoping that they would hire a POBO quickly and then slow down and assess. 

 

This seems like hiring a POBO slowly and then moving quickly. 

 

I have no idea what is happening but I assume that Falvey is a phone call away and I imagine that Antony and Molitor have that number saved in their contact lists. 

 

 

It is entirely possible that during the interview process, Falvey could have been asked what immediate changes he would make with the coaching staff. It is possible that names could have been leaked to the staff.

Twins 2.0: The return of Gardenhire.

Not bringing someone back who had an expired 1 year deal isn't really the same thing as firing them. I don't think this really requires a POBO to accomplish.

 

Twins 2.0: The return of Gardenhire.

 

Though going backwards is rarely a good idea and he should not return to management ... it seems that Gardenhire was not the problem.

 

Sure, it was time to move on from him and try something new ... but at the end of the day ( <- cliche!) we should be happy with what Gardenhire did with the Twins.  

 

Though going backwards is rarely a good idea and he should not return to management ... it seems that Gardenhire was not the problem.

 

Sure, it was time to move on from him and try something new ... but at the end of the day ( <- cliche!) we should be happy with what Gardenhire did with the Twins.  

The manager rarely is the problem. I agree it was time to move on from Gardenhire but right now, it's looking more like "careful what you wish for."

 

The manager rarely is the problem. I agree it was time to move on from Gardenhire but right now, it's looking more like "careful what you wish for."

 

Well, I don't know a lot of people that wished for a guy with no managerial experience....but I get your point.

The big thing the front office is now working on is hiring a general manager, and the host of candidates being considered for the Diamondbacks job is probably similar to those the Twins are also looking at. That is one BIOG decision for the new Pres. of Baseball Operations, and the the two of them can start looking at other departments and the field staff, which I hope they do without consulting St. Peter and Pohlad, except for looking at deals of Mauer someplace.

 

But look for the Twins to be pretty slow moving on player releases and such until they gather and meet before the Winter Meetings and the new powers-that-be have had an influence in such areas as player development and scouting. Pretty much the field staff and minor league coaching staff have to be hold.

Generally with coaches they are let go ASAP as a favor to them to get in line for another job.   It would not be a shock to have turnover in the staff. There would be coaches more in line with Ryan's thinking. Falvey might have different ideas. Training for the pitchers would be the biggest difference.  He also may have different ideas on hitting. Hence changes in pitching and hitting coaches.

It was in Sid's column yesterday. Here it is. 

 

• The word around Target Field is that Twins pitching coach Neil Allen, hitting coach Tom Brunansky, assistant hitting coach Rudy Hernandez and first base coach Butch Davis won’t return to work for Paul Molitor next season. Bench coach Joe Vavra, bullpen coach Eddie Guardado and third base coach Gene Glynn have a good chance of returning.

 

Some talk on the radio that maybe Chad Allen might join the staff in Bruno's place.

 

This makes sense. It's hard to see how Allen screwed anything up. Buxton in September was either luck, SSS or Allen.

 

That said, Mike Quade could go. He's the Logan Schafer of managers.

I have no idea what is happening but I assume that Falvey is a phone call away and I imagine that Antony and Molitor have that number saved in their contact lists.

 

Molitor and Antony saved Falvey's number as speed dial #1, moving their wives to #2, and they answer "Hi, honey," when he calls, then apologize and say they made a mistake, but they didn't really.

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It's not really think that not retaining someone is the same as firing them. My guess is everyone that isn't already on a contract will be reviewed when The Falvey take the chair. I would highly doubt that he is doing any Twins work right now while he is being paid by Cleveland. If he is doing Twins work now, he would be told to leave now instead of later. The entire Indians organization needs to be focused on the postseason 100% and if someone isn't, it would be better if left now. 

 

This is window dressing just like what happened under Gardenhire if these guys were let go. Molitor still kept his BOBO's around. He should have to part with one of the BOBo's in Glynn or Vavara if real change is going to happen with the staff.

That is why they forced Gardy out because he refused to get rid of Anderson.

 

 

I don't think you really know what you're talking about here. You're making up stuff.