Article: Twins Pitchers Need A New Voice

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

-I think the pitching problem is kind of all over. Talent is not high enough to cover for poor coaching, game calling in sequence and location, or defense. And, the same goes for any of those other facets...they are lacking in all, so the problem is compounded. I don't know if Suzuki will be around next year, but I alway felt he was pretty bad at sequencing and pitch location predictability and efficiency.

 

-On an interesting note, I think I may have an article that I personally feel MIGHT give us some insight as to what we might see implemented here. Its a '13 Fantgraphs interview with the Cleveland pitching coach, and it is very in depth. All current comments point to Falvey being very involved heavily in the pitching side with them and in a positive way, so I can only assume that much of this has a lot to do with him, or that he has learned it and will bring it with him.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/qa-mickey-callaway-indians-pitching-coach/

[The Wise One]

 

Allen probably needs  to go, but it's tough to make a silk purse out of a  sow's ear.

When the mood strikes to rant about the poor coaching, various posters will point out all of the former Twins who performed better after leaving here, Fien, Guerra, and Nolasco would be the latest additions to the list

[adorduan]

 

When the mood strikes to rant about the poor coaching, various posters will point out all of the former Twins who performed better after leaving here, Fien, Guerra, and Nolasco would be the latest additions to the list

Meh, Fien hasn't been that good for the Dodgers.  Not sure which Guerra you are referencing.  Yes Nolaco has been better with the Angels. Lets see if it carries over to next year.

[Linus]

Meh, Fien hasn't been that good for the Dodgers. Not sure which Guerra you are referencing. Yes Nolaco has been better with the Angels. Lets see if it carries over to next year.

Yep. Not sure that list makes the point. I'm glad all are elsewhere.

[jimmer]

 

Meh, Fien hasn't been that good for the Dodgers.  Not sure which Guerra you are referencing.  Yes Nolaco has been better with the Angels. Lets see if it carries over to next year.

He means Deolis Guerra, the supposed pitching jewel we got for Johan Santana, who now pitches for the Angels.

Edited October 5, 2016 by jimmer

[Twinkie Girl]

Why should Allen be the one to take the rap for the whole team.  Why keep Molly, he certainly didn't produce a winning team either. 

 

As to Allen, everybody needs to start somewhere, he proved himself the Rays organization. 

Worked well with the pitchers. 

 

Why didn't the author of this article ask the players what they all think of Allen.  You can't win the race if you don't have the horses. 

 

Give the guy a break, he had little or nothing to work with.  Did everyone forget that he did a decent job last season. 

 

Did Allen's temporary replacement (during his suspension) do much better?  That alone should prove that he alone did not cause the downfall of the team.

 

 

[Thrylos]

 

Call me crazy but losing 103 games screams out for a fresh start to me.

 

^^^^^ This.

 

Baseball people at any level of this organization should have to prove that they are not part of the problem to retain their jobs.

 

Period.

 

This includes their pitching coach of course, and I am not sure what his defense would be other than maybe a version of "I cannot recall" or paraphrasing certain Dead Kennedys' lyrics...

Edited October 5, 2016 by Thrylos

[LaBombo]

Brian Duensing just pitched in a late/close situation in a postseason game.

 

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"Oh, my Holy God..."

 

Unless the Twins' minor league system has been vastly overrated the past few years, it would seem that there's been an ongoing failure to turn talented minor league players into productive major league players, especially the pitchers.

 

The development side deserves some blame, because while Twins prospects have generally not been rushed, they often appear rougher around the edges with respect to fundamentals than rookies should. That said, it's hard to see how the Twins could put together such a terrible season without there being serious problems with the way the staff prepares and utilizes its young players, as well as veterans like Duensing too.

 

I admire Molitor the player and person, I like his staff, and I don't think they were incompetent. But I don't know how a franchise that has under-performed so badly for so long can bring in a new guy from outside to run baseball operations, and then give him an eraser instead of a clean whiteboard to draw up 2017 and beyond.

 

Edited October 5, 2016 by LaBombo

[LaBombo]

 

When the mood strikes to rant about the poor coaching, various posters will point out all of the former Twins who performed better after leaving here, Fien, Guerra, and Nolasco would be the latest additions to the list

 

The Minnesota Twins have not produced a single season with a positive run differential since their inaugural one in Target Field, despite having greater revenue there than at any other time since their inception. They just set the franchise record for losses in a season, accruing nine more than the next-worst team in the majors.

 

Calling criticism of their failures a "rant" is like calling a raised hand at a city council meeting an "outburst".

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2016 by LaBombo

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Call me crazy

You are crazy Edited October 5, 2016 by Hosken Bombo Disco

[twinsnorth49]

 

You are crazy

http://images.ebaumsworld.com/thumbs/avatars/siggy1818/siggy1818-1335467910.jpg

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Ok, so being a bench coach in Major League Baseball must be something like Disney World for adults. It's basically just fun and games for six months, and if your team wins, you get to come back and do it again next year. There is no natural right to remain a coach on a team that just finished in last place again.

 

Maybe coaches don't have much effect on the players, but that doesn't mean I want Neil Allen warning our pitchers against falling behind 1-0 in the count, or Brunansky standing next to Molitor in the dugout barking at Buxton between pitches of his at bat. It's true that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and that Neil Allen probably isn't the source of our pitching problems, but still.

[The Wise One]

 

The Minnesota Twins have not produced a single season with a positive run differential since their inaugural one in Target Field, despite having greater revenue there than at any other time since their inception. They just set the franchise record for losses in a season, accruing nine more than the next-worst team in the majors.

 

Calling criticism of their failures a "rant" is like calling a raised hand at a city council meeting an "outburst".

That is an unique way to respond to the alleged problem of players being better away from the Twins' coaching. They have had more revenue. The record this year or any other year has absolutely nothing to do with players being allegedly better away from here. Is Brian Duensing now a better post season pitcher because he is in Baltimore rather than the Twins?

[USAFChief]

The record this year or any other year has absolutely nothing to do with players being allegedly better away from here.

HUH?

 

It's your contention that players playing better with other coaching has nothing to do with the possibility that there's an issue with Twins coaching?