Ramirez Outrighted, Boshers called up

[Otto von Ballpark]

Don't disagree Brock. Not a bit. And if more doesn't change soon, I will also become equally frustrated and be loud about it. But this is correcting one bad move. I'm just saying no-one should be bent that this is the first move.

 

Heck, I'm tickled they jumped in and move this quickly, even if it's a small one to start.

This wasn't the first move. Ramirez was put on waivers Sunday.

[Mr. Brooks]

This wasn't the first move. Ramirez was put on waivers Sunday.

Calling up Boshers is the first move. Even if that was the plan at the time Ramirez was put on waivers, it wouldn't have been binding in any way. So it was Antony's call.

[South Dakota Tom]

Doc, Duluth, you both are right.     This move is being hyper-analyzed by TD right now (understandably, as we're all wafting in the wind waiting to see what direction the team goes in the next 10 days).    It seems clear that Boshers is being elevated in order to have three left-handers active in the major league bullpen in order to trade Abad and bring up Chargois and not skip a beat.    Calmate, por favor.

 

The big moves involve other guys.....Plouffe, Dozier, Nunez, Santana, Suzuki, Kintzler.   If we start stroking out over the promotion of Buddy Boshers, it probably means we're a little too close to the edge.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Doc, Duluth, you both are right. This move is being hyper-analyzed by TD right now (understandably, as we're all wafting in the wind waiting to see what direction the team goes in the next 10 days). It seems clear that Boshers is being elevated in order to have three left-handers active in the major league bullpen in order to trade Abad and bring up Chargois and not skip a beat. Calmate, por favor.

A team with our record doesn't need to worry about how many lefthanders we have in the pen. Besides, they could have called up Chargois today, and then called up Boshers if and when Abad was dealt. Seems a little too cute to plan it the other way.

[DaveW]

File this under: meh

 

It's not worth getting upset over. This team will continue to do the same old crap time and time again until some new and different blood are brought in the front office.

[Major League Ready]

 

Losing Ramirez was smart. Bang on Boshers if you want, but the guy has pitched very well at Rochester and was solid for us. He was only sent down due to a crunch. No problem with his coming back up.

And it's only oneive, the first move, and only a couple days after TR was dismissed. Chargois will be up, and probably really soon. Patience.

Agree.  Plus, none of us is privy to trade talks underway.  The vast majority of us have not seen these MiLB play lately or perhaps ever. Maybe someone wanted Boshers back because their scouts will be attending ML games and they want to see him.  Maybe they are fine tuning something with Chargois right now and just want to give him a couple more weeks.  Maybe they have a plan to move multiple people around so they just want to get through the trade deadline and then make these moves once several questions have been answered.  Maybe some of these MiLB players are part of deals and we could go on for every with the maybes.

 

We don’t know any of these things.  Go ahead and ask the questions but to draw conclusions with a fraction of the information would be considered absolute incompetence in terms of management practice so to do so and then speak of others incompetence is ridiculous.  It’s no wonder some of you are so frustrated.  I get it.  The team has the worst record in baseball.  Very reasonable to be frustrated with that fact but to be frustrated because you don't understand something when you have a fraction of the information is just silly.

[Mike Sixel]

It's never the Twins FO fault that they make a head scratching move. No matter how odd, it is always defend-able. Apparently.

 

Just Tuesday Seth posted an entire thread that Chargois should be up now.......

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

I'd guess their reasoning is, they've got a 4 games series with David Ortiz and Boston coming up, and they wanted an extra left-hander.  I'm not sure that should really be a priority when you have the worst record in your league in late July, but whatever.

 

(Bonus points for Chargois' tough debut coming against the Red Sox, probably.)

[bird]

The move that's close to indefensible is leaving Chargois in AAA to begin with, which was made more likely with the original Ramirez move.

 

Maybe unlikely, but I can see an argument for bringing Boshers up for a few appearances here while the scouts are filling some seats at the games. It's not exactly a crushing blow to the team's post-season aspirations for Chargois to wait yet another week or so.

 

Hardly something to add to one's growing list of all Rob Antony's transgressions so far.

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Ugh. What the hell is wrong with this front office? Call up Chargois and be done with it.

 

I'll withhold judgement for another 10 days. I'm assuming (foolishly hoping?) that this is b/c of the following:

• Ramirez wasn't very good.
• Abad and/or Kintzler is being traded.

Another 10 days for Chargois isn't that big a deal.  Now if come August 1st this is only the change to the pen... then yeah, the more things change, the more they remain the same. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I'll withhold judgement for another 10 days. I'm assuming (foolishly hoping?) that this is b/c of the following:

• Ramirez wasn't very good.
• Abad and/or Kintzler is being traded.

Another 10 days for Chargois isn't that big a deal.  Now if come August 1st this is only the change to the pen... then yeah, the more things change, the more they remain the same. 

Yeah, maybe... I'm just really over the argument "maybe the next move will be better".

 

Had the Twins not so badly screwed up the management of Berrios, Chargois, and Meyer I'd have a lot more patience right now. The entire pitching staff has been a clowncar since the first week of the season.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Yeah, maybe... I'm just really over the argument "maybe the next move will be better".

 

Had the Twins not so badly screwed up the management of Berrios, Chargois, and Meyer I'd have a lot more patience right now. The entire pitching staff has been a clowncar since the first week of the season.

 

I really cannot disagree with anything you just said... I just think based on what Antony said in his interview with the STrib that they are working through offers. I'd be shocked if Abad isn't moved for something, might not be much, but given the talent coming up, take what you can get.  I don't have a problem juggling this type of thing for a few days, but I do hope that once Chargois (and hopefully Melotakis) are up, they are up for the remainder of the season.

[Mike Sixel]

I hold out a small amount of hope this is about a trade, but you know, you can call up Chargois, and then if you do make a trade, call up Boshers after that......can't you?

[HitInAPinch]

My recollection of Berrios, Chargois, and Meyer being called up is this:

 

They were called up for a specific reason at that time [injury?  poor performance by a RP/SP?].

What I also remember is when each of Berrios, Chargois, and Meyer was failing, NO coach or catcher went to the mound to calm them down.  Everything was a downward spiral after that.  Then came the obligatory sending of the Pitching Coach to the mound to stall until a RP was warmed up. 

 

The Death Spiral was complete.

 

What I'm happy to see now:  During the game, Twins catchers are making more trips to the mound and calling time outs to slow the pitchers down.  Not sure why this took so long.  Suzuki isn't exactly a virgin at catcher.  He shoulda known.

 

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I'll withhold judgement for another 10 days. I'm assuming (foolishly hoping?) that this is b/c of the following:

• Ramirez wasn't very good.
• Abad and/or Kintzler is being traded.

I don't see how either of those points indicates Boshers over Chargois, though.  They could just as easily have called up Chargois now, and Boshers if/when a reliever was traded.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I hold out a small amount of hope this is about a trade, but you know, you can call up Chargois, and then if you do make a trade, call up Boshers after that......can't you?

 

I think it was more a 40 man move.  You can do this.  You can also outright Ramirez and make a 40 man add. 

 

Also, I have no clue if Molly will even play Chargois... that's a bit of a different issue, but one that is a problem.

[Shane Wahl]

With Rogers and Melotakis, the Twins are soon to have the bullpen locked down in terms of lefties. Maybe, yes, Boshers sweetens some deal mildly.

[drivlikejehu]

I'm OK with the Boshers call up. He's actually a pretty good LOOGY, I think, better than Abad at this point. Chargois needs to be up as well of course.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Maybe unlikely, but I can see an argument for bringing Boshers up for a few appearances here while the scouts are filling some seats at the games.

If that's the case, and Boshers has some kind of value, why did they send him down over Ramirez in early July?  Boshers could have been auditioning for MLB scouts this whole month, if the Twins had wanted.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I think it was more a 40 man move.  You can do this.  You can also outright Ramirez and make a 40 man add.

40 man?  Boshers and Chargois are already both on the 40-man roster.  Ramirez would have had to be outrighted off the 25-man roster either way.

[gil4]

 

Maybe Boshers is a more loveable guy than Chargois?

 

If you're looking for someone to name your puppy after, Buddy Boshers gives you plenty of great possibilities.  With Chargois, you're stuck with the nickname.

 

 

[jorgenswest]

I do think Chargois will be up by August 1.

 

I don't think he was a good fit for the open role in the bullpen. The last guy in the pen is the one who has to go three innings when the rest of the pen is spent or the team is blown out early. While low leverage, it is not the role that suits Chargois. He is a guy that they should use in one inning later in games. That space will open when Kintzler or Abad are moved. Boshers is a good fit for the open bullpen role.

 

If by August a space isn't open, the Twins will have to consider among other pitchers which might for be a fit for that mop up role. I like Rogers in the higher leverage role with key left handed hitters coming up. I still have hopes for Tonkin in a higher leverage 7th inning role. Kintzler did have the spot earlier but jumped to closer. It would be a poor use of May or Pressly.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I do think Chargois will be up by August 1.

I don't think he was a good fit for the open role in the bullpen. The last guy in the pen is the one who has to go three innings when the rest of the pen is spent or the team is blown out early. While low leverage, it is not the role that suits Chargois. He is a guy that they should use in one inning later in games. That space will open when Kintzler or Abad are moved. Boshers is a good fit for the open bullpen role.

If by August a space isn't open, the Twins will have to consider among other pitchers which might for be a fit for that mop up role. I like Rogers in the higher leverage role with key left handed hitters coming up. I still have hopes for Tonkin in a higher leverage 7th inning role. Kintzler did have the spot earlier but jumped to closer. It would be a poor use of May or Pressly.

 

so you are saying this bullpen is just too good to add Chargois to?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I do think Chargois will be up by August 1.

I don't think he was a good fit for the open role in the bullpen. The last guy in the pen is the one who has to go three innings when the rest of the pen is spent or the team is blown out early. While low leverage, it is not the role that suits Chargois. He is a guy that they should use in one inning later in games. That space will open when Kintzler or Abad are moved. Boshers is a good fit for the open bullpen role.

A couple things on that:

 

While Boshers had one 3 inning game in Rochester in April, Chargois has more multi-inning appearances this year.

 

Also, the Twins have spent the majority of the season without anyone in the role you describe, other than perhaps Tonkin.  Not sure why it became a priority to fill it in late July with the worst record in the league...

[howieramone2]

 

I think that this is a lead indicator of how different than Ryan, Antony would be as a GM, and answers plenty of questions about what the Twins would do with Antony at the helm...

This is what King Theo would call a small move. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[jorgenswest]

so you are saying this bullpen is just too good to add Chargois to?

Wow! Is that what I said? I tried to say I don't think he is a good fit for the Ramirez role. Boshers is a better fit. He can go three innings if necessary and he can also go unused for a week without worry. In the current pen, Kintzler, May, Rogers and Pressly can probably go three innings. I am not sure I would prefer any of them in the Ramirez role either. Chargois fits better when Abad or Kintzler are moved. If they aren't moved, Kintzler might be the best guy for the mop up role with Boshers going down and Chargois coming up on August 1. Moving Kintzler to that role now would probably hurt his trade value a little.

 

Now I think I have repeated myself. Hopefully I said it better this time.

[SirLoin]

Any chance Palka gets added to the 40 man?  With the season he's had, it would be intriguing to see him get a September call up.

[LimestoneBaggy]

 

Yeah, maybe... I'm just really over the argument "maybe the next move will be better".

 

Had the Twins not so badly screwed up the management of Berrios, Chargois, and Meyer I'd have a lot more patience right now. The entire pitching staff has been a clowncar since the first week of the season.

 

Brock, you must believe in good to receive good....aw who am I kidding....anybody know what Phil Dumatrait is doing right now.....

[jimmer]

 

Yeah, maybe... I'm just really over the argument "maybe the next move will be better".

 

Had the Twins not so badly screwed up the management of Berrios, Chargois, and Meyer I'd have a lot more patience right now. The entire pitching staff has been a clowncar since the first week of the season.  for years

FTFY

[d-mac]

Meh. I'm not going to get worked up by this move. Should Chargois have been the first one up? Yes. But it's not as Boshers didn't deserve the call up nor deserve the demotion in the first place, much like Chargois.