Castile shooting, police violence, race, etc side discussion

[Craig Arko]

Retweeted by one of my Facebook buddies. I've nothing to add.

 

[TheLeviathan]

Can anyone help me translate Canadian so I can read North's link? Seemed promising....

[twinsnorth49]

Can anyone help me translate Canadian so I can read North's link? Seemed promising....

Har de Har har,

 

Seriously, is it a bad link?

[Craig Arko]

In similar news, this is a positive step forward. This isn't a whole lot different than Black lives matter, the RCMP are to be commended for becoming part of the solution and the largest part of that was admitting they are a big part of the problem. 

 

It's ok to be on one side, as  long as you're willing to listen to the other.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/afn-meeting-niagara-falls-1.3674114

I'm stealing that link.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Har de Har har,

Seriously, is it a bad link?

 

No, it's good.  There are just a lot of abbreviations and such that I'm not familiar with because I'm not Canadian.  That's all.

[twinsnorth49]

AFN- Assembly of First Nations

MOU- Memorandum of Understanding

MP- Member of Parliament

ON- Ontario

RCMP - Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Those are the ones I found  .

[PseudoSABR]

 

RCMP - Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Is there a regular mounted police? What makes them Royal? Calling back to antiquity?

[twinsnorth49]

 

Is there a regular mounted police? What makes them Royal? Calling back to antiquity?

Pretty much, the force was originally known as the North West Mounted Police.  Many of it's officers served in the Boer war (Canada was still part of the Dominion remember) and in recognition of that service the force was renamed the Royal North West Mounted Police and later the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

 

Sorry for the sidebar, back to the topic.

[Bark's Lounge]

 

ON- Ontario

I don't know. All the other abbreviations make sense, but I am going to have to call BS on this one. Something seems amiss.

[ashbury]

 

AFN- Assembly of First Nations

MOU- Memorandum of Understanding

MP- Member of Parliament

ON- Ontario

RCMP - Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Those are the ones I found  .

Also:

aboot = about

eh = don't cha know

kitty-corner = catty-corner

loonie = dime

poutine = a word randomly added to every sentence, just ignore it

 

[nicksaviking]

 

Focusing on one over the other breeds the very racism that you're trying to prevent, and it alienates the very people who will be more sympathetic to the cause.  I understand why it is that people are focusing on black lives matter.  I'm also saying that in so doing they are missing the point and become part of the problem. 

 

 

But the problem is nobody (aside from the lunatic fringe) are arguing that killing police or anyone else is fair and justifiable. However there is a large contingent of people who are claiming that these killing of black men and women are simply the price of doing business in 21st century America.

 

Killing police doesn't need to be staunchly protested because it garners a collective "Duh, that's terrible", killing African Americans is not getting the same response.

[Mike Sixel]

Funny how little police kill people in other nations......how do people keep denying, in the face of clear evidence, that there is a problem here?

[Craig Arko]

 

Funny how little police kill people in other nations......how do people keep denying, in the face of clear evidence, that there is a problem here?

I don't know if I'd agree with that; Asia, Africa, and South America have some enormous human rights issues, too. It's not all Western Europe out there.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I don't know if I'd agree with that; Asia, Africa, and South America have some enormous human rights issues, too. It's not all Western Europe out there.

 

Now we are comparing the US to nations that (in same cases) are barely a few years old? come on. If the US can't be as good as Canada and Western Europe, we aren't doing enough.

 

how about this:

Funny how compared to other first world nations.....the US has an issue with police and civilian violence, and much of the nation seems to be in denial that it isn't all about the people....the systems have issues too.

[Vanimal46]

 

Also:

aboot = about

eh = don't cha know

kitty-corner = catty-corner

loonie = dime

poutine = a word randomly added to every sentence, just ignore it

Wait, I thought kitty-corner was an American term? Am I part Canadian? I'm so confused... 

Also, more terminology from my old Canadian college roommate:

 

Topper = opening a new beer to pour into glass if it's less than half full

FFS = you've got to be kidding me! 

Let your freak flag fly = do whatever you want. 

[Craig Arko]

 

Now we are comparing the US to nations that (in same cases) are barely a few years old? come on. If the US can't be as good as Canada and Western Europe, we aren't doing enough.

 

how about this:

Funny how compared to other first world nations.....the US has an issue with police and civilian violence, and much of the nation seems to be in denial that it isn't all about the people....the systems have issues too.

More betterer.

[Mike Sixel]

Never heard of k©atty corner. What is that?

[TheLeviathan]

We have a unique problem partly because we are a uniquely formed country. Western Europe exported their racism, classism, and other problems to their colonies.

 

It's not an excuse, we can do much better, but sometimes I think Europe gets a free pass despite their legacies left to others to figure out.

[nicksaviking]

 

We have a unique problem partly because we are a uniquely formed country. Western Europe exported their racism, classism, and other problems to their colonies.

It's not an excuse, we can do much better, but sometimes I think Europe gets a free pass despite their legacies left to others to figure out.

 

Europe still has huge race and ethnocentric issues also. I'm guessing the US gets more publicity world wide for ours, but that surely has more to do with the fact that it's the media hub of the world.

 

[twinsnorth49]

 

Never heard of k©atty corner. What is that?

That makes two of us.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Wait, I thought kitty-corner was an American term? Am I part Canadian? I'm so confused... 

Also, more terminology from my old Canadian college roommate:

 

Topper = opening a new beer to pour into glass if it's less than half full

FFS = you've got to be kidding me! 

Let your freak flag fly = do whatever you want. 

Did he take his chesterfield when he left?

[twinsnorth49]

 

Europe still has huge race and ethnocentric issues also. I'm guessing the US gets more publicity world wide for ours, but that surely has more to do with the fact that it's the media hub of the world.

Europe certainly has issues with Nationalism, I'm not sure on a country to county basis it has nearly the issues of direct or indirect racism among it's police forces.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Europe still has huge race and ethnocentric issues also. I'm guessing the US gets more publicity world wide for ours, but that surely has more to do with the fact that it's the media hub of the world.

 

Absolutely.  Europe has a lot of latent (and sometimes not so latent) anti-semitism amongst many other issues.

 

In fact, I'd argue the biggest difference is demographics.  Western Europe is still largely white.  (UK - 83%, Germany 92%, France 90% whereas the US is 75%.  Since it was mentioned -  Canada's non-white population is 11%)  It's easier to have more stable race relations when you exported your worst racial problems centuries ago and kept most of your country so homogeneous that you don't have much conflict.

[nicksaviking]

 

Europe certainly has issues with Nationalism, I'm not sure on a country to county basis it has nearly the issues of direct or indirect racism among it's police forces.

 

Aside from the still lingering Antisemitism, every country has just as big of anti-Middle Eastern demographics as America and most probably have more.

 

And that says nothing of Scandinavia's huge neo-nazi culture that doesn't even bother to stay in the shadows like they do here.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Aside from the still lingering Antisemitism, every country has just as big of anti-Middle Eastern demographics as America and most probably have more.

 

And that says nothing of Scandinavia's huge neo-nazi culture that doesn't even bother to stay in the shadows like they do here.

 

And all of this from countries who largely have less than half of the racial diversity our country has.  (Some much, much less than half)

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Absolutely.  Europe has a lot of latent (and sometimes not so latent) anti-semitism amongst many other issues.

 

In fact, I'd argue the biggest difference is demographics.  Western Europe is still largely white.  (UK - 83%, Germany 92%, France 90% whereas the US is 75%.  Since it was mentioned -  Canada's non-white population is 11%)  It's easier to have more stable race relations when you exported your worst racial problems centuries ago and kept most of your country so homogeneous that you don't have much conflict.

Yes, this. Europe is just starting to feel immigration "pain" and look what Britain did in response. They left.

 

Well, they tried to leave anyway... Whether that happens is still very much up in the air.

[Mike Sixel]

I know none of you are saying this, but it's a cop out that diversity=racial tension and violence, imo. It's 2016, not 1932. 

[TheLeviathan]

 

Yes, this. Europe is just starting to feel immigration "pain" and look what Britain did in response. They left.

 

Well, they tried to leave anyway... Whether that happens is still very much up in the air.

 

Or the dude in Sweden who went to a youth camp and killed dozens to preserve their culture.  Because apparently more than 1% of the population being anything other than blonde hair/blue eyes is an insufferable degree of diversity.

 

I really hate when people pat Europe in the back in these situations.  Europe doesn't deserve one ounce of it.  

 

And, sorry North, neither does Canada.  Canada has basically one racial population to worry about and they basically try to ignore that problem as much as possible.  

 

Mike - it's not a cop-out.  We have to be better.  But don't tell me how swell Europe is at the same time, because that's just bunk.  

[Bark's Lounge]

 

Or the dude in Sweden who went to a youth camp and killed dozens to preserve their culture.  Because apparently more than 1% of the population being anything other than blonde hair/blue eyes is an insufferable degree of diversity.

Since you brought this guy up. I thought I would share this article about that guy's living conditions in prison that I read a few months ago and his complaints...WTF?

 

To repeat myself, WTF?

 

http://fusion.net/story/280111/anders-breivik-prison-conditions-lawsuit/

[twinsnorth49]

Or the dude in Sweden who went to a youth camp and killed dozens to preserve their culture. Because apparently more than 1% of the population being anything other than blonde hair/blue eyes is an insufferable degree of diversity.

 

I really hate when people pat Europe in the back in these situations. Europe doesn't deserve one ounce of it.

 

And, sorry North, neither does Canada. Canada has basically one racial population to worry about and they basically try to ignore that problem as much as possible.

 

Mike - it's not a cop-out. We have to be better. But don't tell me how swell Europe is at the same time, because that's just bunk.

No apologies necessary, I totally agree, it's a complete disgrace and honestly I wish it would get more exposure internationally. Australia is equally as bad if not worse with their Aboriginal population.

 

The link I posted previously was in part to point to how it's possible for both sides to start bridging the gap, if both are willing to face the truth, as well as to point to this also being a major issue in Canada, not just the US.