Article: J2: Come Here, International Free Agents

[Jeremy Nygaard]

The Twins once pulled a haul of Miguel Sano (pictured), Max Kepler and Jorge Polanco in a single International Free Agency period. Last year, they committed $4.0 million dollars to shortstop Wander Javier. This year, they are armed with $4.2 million to spend.11:00am update - Doogie tweeted out that the agreement with Valdez was for $495,000.

 

DPL Baseball tweeted out that the Twins have signed Jesus Felix, who is listed as a shortstop, for $260,000. They later also tweeted out that the club has signed Stamy Gabriel, also currently listed at shortstop, for $130,000.

 

Neither - at least under the names that have been provided - seem to be have a whole lot of information public about them.

 

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But don't expect any headliner deals.

 

When the period opened this morning, the only name the Twins have reportedly signed is Wander Valdez, a shortstop from the Dominican Republic. There's been no mention of his bonus, but no prospects are expected to sign with the Twins for seven figures.

 

If you want to watch Valdez take some swings, here are some videos from DPL Baseball.

 

One thing to keep a watchful eye on as today unfolds is what happens with the five former Red Sox prospects who were deemed free agents yesterday. There's no word that the Twins have any interest in any of the players, but since it doesn't seem likely that they have promised out all $4.2 million of their allotment, they couldbe one of not many teams that have some flexibility to spend on these guys. (Of course, teams have blown past their pool already and they could snap these guys up in a hurry.)

 

Stay tuned, and check back for more updates.

 

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[HitInAPinch]

Is there a "Draft Central" for this?  I'm curious about where the Top 30 are...

[NapoleonComplex]

Top 50 International player rankings: http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/top-international-prospects-july-2/#lP80rfpMEerilsLr.97

 

International player signing tracker: http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/team-team-international-signing-tracker/#2Hh0jkZFEgBQADLY.97

[drivlikejehu]

 

When did they not spend their allotment? Last year they spent all but perhaps some loose change if I recall. Do you have other information, or are you perhaps wrong?

 

I don't know for sure how much they'll spend. But if anything they should be going all-out . . . they certainly do not appear to be doing that, and whether they even spend the ostensible maximum looks dubious.

[shs_59]

If he's still available i want the   , SS - Marcos kid out of the DR.

 

he's probably 5'10 or 5 '11"  and 140-150 lbs soaking wet

 

but at 16, and an already 65 hit grade from many folks

 

he looks like a Jurickson Profar or dare i say even XANDER Boagaerts in the making to meeeee !!

 

get him done Twins and call this year a wrap .Deal.

 

 

[Thrylos]

In addition to Felix ($260K bonus) and Wander Valdez ($400K bonus) they have signed Dominican SS Stamy Urena ($130K bonus).

 

Everyone is a SS in the Dominican, but I expect both Felix and Valdez to play at corner positions when they reach the majors.

 

FWIW, the pitcher crop this season is not that great.  I suspect that the Twins might look to EU for some signings as well.

Cuba is a wild-card because of the recent political change

[sftwinsfan]

I think people would be a little more forgiving if not for the fact that almost all the top talent already allegedly has deals with teams in place and the Twins are linked to exactly none of them.  

[Jeremy Nygaard]

I think people would be a little more forgiving if not for the fact that almost all the top talent already allegedly has deals with teams in place and the Twins are linked to exactly none of them.

 

This is the first year in as long as I can remember that the club hasn't spent big on a prospect. They've been just as involved as always, but just probably didn't see value in this class. I'd be surprised if they didn't spend their entire allotment. Unlike most clubs, the Twins don't like making information public until after physicals are done. And this particular period doesn't end til the middle of next June, with new kids becoming eligible over the next few months as they turn 16. Give it some time.

[nicksaviking]

*****Moderator Note********

 

I too am frustrated that this team looks as though once again it won't take advantage of the loophole and blow past their spending cap, **** but this still needs to be kept civil. Let's refrain from putting words in others' mouths and personal attacks of other posters and Twins personnel.

[bird]

 

I don't know for sure how much they'll spend. But if anything they should be going all-out . . . they certainly do not appear to be doing that, and whether they even spend the ostensible maximum looks dubious.

 

 

If you check the facts, I think you'll discover that they have essentially spent their full allotment every year since the system has been in place. So, by appearances, they have been going "all-out". So, I think you're off-base here.

 

Busting through the allotment, like many other teams have done and like many fans want the Twins to do? There is a very clear ethical and moral argument against doing this. I know I'm in the minority, but I find it reprehensible that teams have violated an agreement that they all signed. Those teams broke the rules after determining that the consequences of doing so are, well, rather inconsequential. It's still wrong, and I wish the consequences were more severe myself. That said, I have no idea whether the Twins have opted to comply with the agreement out of ethical considerations, or not. Others can go ahead and presume that they're doing so strictly for economic reasons, I suppose, but I'm not going to.

[Mike Sixel]

The agreement doesn't say you can't do it......it clearly states you can do it, but then you can't sign more players for 2 years. That was the agreement. There is nothing unethical about doing what the agreement allows, is there? 

 

"You can go over, but if you do, then you can't sign expensive players for 2 years"

 

.........that is very different than,

 

"you can't go over, if you do, you are breaking the rules".

 

Either way, they have almost nothing to show for their international work other than Sano, Polanco, and Kepler (all signed the one year they spent big) and Vargas and Danny Santana.

[drivlikejehu]

 

 

Busting through the allotment, like many other teams have done and like many fans want the Twins to do? There is a very clear ethical and moral argument against doing this. 

 

There is no ethical or moral argument against doing it. Going over the "cap" is explicitly allowed by the rules. It could easily have been banned, but it was not. The penalties are not punishment for wrongdoing, rather, they represent a trade-off that teams can decide on.

 

Contracts are structured that way thousands of times every day. Order under a certain number of units? You pay more per unit. etc., etc. 

 

I haven't criticized the Twins for sticking to the cap in the past, since there was a tactical reason for doing so, regardless of whether that was actually the Twins' motivation. This year is different, however, for reasons that have been widely reported on and discussed. 

[Lonestar]

 

Either way, they have almost nothing to show for their international work other than Sano, Polanco, and Kepler (all signed the one year they spent big) and Vargas and Danny Santana.

Vargas is from Puerto Rico and so is not an international free agent.  The Twins international signing and development is suboptimal IMO

[bird]

 

The agreement doesn't say you can't do it......it clearly states you can do it, but then you can't sign more players for 2 years. That was the agreement. There is nothing unethical about doing what the agreement allows, is there? 

 

"You can go over, but if you do, then you can't sign expensive players for 2 years"

 

.........that is very different than,

 

"you can't go over, if you do, you are breaking the rules".

 

Either way, they have almost nothing to show for their international work other than Sano, Polanco, and Kepler (all signed the one year they spent big) and Vargas and Danny Santana.

This is a false description.

 

Every team agreed to the CBA. It's a contractual agreement. By agreeing to it, teams agreed to abide by the provisions of the contract. 

 

Right there, in the contract, teams promise not to go over their allotment.

 

Teams that failed to comply with the provisions in the CBA regarding the Rule 4 draft breached the contract and breached faith with the other teams. No professor of ethics at any law school would argue otherwise.

 

The contract has no language in it that can possibly be construed to say, "you can go over it, but if you do..."

 

The contract calls for penalties in the case of a breach of the contract by the parties.

 

 

As for a separate examination of the Twin's record of success in this arena, any statement made on this rings hollow when it's simply a biased opinion unsupported by any comparison to the other teams. I can make the same statement about all 29 teams and be just as accurate in saying something as vague as that they have "almost nothing to show for their work". And in my opinion, this statement about the Twin's record would draw chuckles from the farm directors for all 30 teams.

Edited July 5, 2016 by birdwatcher

[bird]

 

Vargas is from Puerto Rico and so is not an international free agent.  The Twins international signing and development is suboptimal IMO

  Compared to...?

[bird]

 

There is no ethical or moral argument against doing it. Going over the "cap" is explicitly allowed by the rules. It could easily have been banned, but it was not. The penalties are not punishment for wrongdoing, rather, they represent a trade-off that teams can decide on.

 

Contracts are structured that way thousands of times every day. Order under a certain number of units? You pay more per unit. etc., etc. 

 

I haven't criticized the Twins for sticking to the cap in the past, since there was a tactical reason for doing so, regardless of whether that was actually the Twins' motivation. This year is different, however, for reasons that have been widely reported on and discussed. 

 

 

Yes there is.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Vargas is from Puerto Rico and so is not an international free agent.  The Twins international signing and development is suboptimal IMO

 

I knew that, but I think he was a FA, i was trying to give them credit ......

[Mike Sixel]

 

This is a false description.

 

Every team agreed to the CBA. It's a contractual agreement. By agreeing to it, teams agreed to abide by the provisions of the contract. 

 

Teams that failed to comply with the provisions in the CBA regarding the Rule 4 draft breached the contract and breached faith with the other teams. No professor of ethics at any law school would argue otherwise.

 

The contract has no language in it that can possibly be construed to say, "you can go over it, but if you do..."

 

The contract calls for penalties in the case of a breach of the contract by the parties.

 

 

As for a separate examination of the Twin's record of success in this arena, any statement made on this rings hollow when it's simply a biased opinion unsupported by any comparison to the other teams. I can make the same statement about all 29 teams and be just as accurate in saying something as vague as that they have "almost nothing to show for their work". And in my opinion, this statement about the Twin's record would draw chuckles from the farm directors for all 30 teams.

 

I didn't compare them to other teams at all.....I clearly stated which MLB players they have to show for their international signings. I don't know if it is better or worse, and I never made any statement in this thread about that at all.

[nicksaviking]

 

This is a false description.

 

Every team agreed to the CBA. It's a contractual agreement. By agreeing to it, teams agreed to abide by the provisions of the contract. 

 

Teams that failed to comply with the provisions in the CBA regarding the Rule 4 draft breached the contract and breached faith with the other teams. No professor of ethics at any law school would argue otherwise.

 

The contract has no language in it that can possibly be construed to say, "you can go over it, but if you do..."

 

The contract calls for penalties in the case of a breach of the contract by the parties.

 

 

As for a separate examination of the Twin's record of success in this arena, any statement made on this rings hollow when it's simply a biased opinion unsupported by any comparison to the other teams. I can make the same statement about all 29 teams and be just as accurate in saying something as vague as that they have "almost nothing to show for their work". And in my opinion, this statement about the Twin's record would draw chuckles from the farm directors for all 30 teams.

 

If this behavior was actually prohibited though, wouldn't the rules say that the signings would be invalidated instead of penalized?  If I steal a car, I don't get to keep the car if I pay a fine and do my jail time.

 

Either way, I really would like to hear the reasoning from the Twins brass. Plenty of teams, maybe even most of them by now, have taken the penalty and reaped the benefits including many small market clubs. I'd like to know if the Twins won't do it for "ethical" reasons, fiscal reasons, if they don't like enough players or if they just can't attract enough players. I'm curious, though I'd probably be disappointed by any answer.

 

We really need an International Draft if the Twins as they currently stand are going to compete for Latin prospects going forward. If the team is going to self-impose a handicap, they really can't rely on scouting alone and solely rely on finding the diamonds in the rough.

[bird]

 

I didn't compare them to other teams at all.....I clearly stated which MLB players they have to show for their international signings. I don't know if it is better or worse, and I never made any statement in this thread about that at all.

 

 

That's my point...

 

[Lonestar]

 

 

As for a separate examination of the Twin's record of success in this arena, any statement made on this rings hollow when it's simply a biased opinion unsupported by any comparison to the other teams. I can make the same statement about all 29 teams and be just as accurate in saying something as vague as that they have "almost nothing to show for their work". And in my opinion, this statement about the Twin's record would draw chuckles from the farm directors for all 30 teams.

Approximately 28% of MLB players are foreign born.  If you subtract those from Canada and Puerto Rico subject to the draft, it's still more than 24%.  Are the major leaguers turning out by the Twins farm system anywhere near 24% of the total?

Edited July 5, 2016 by Lonestar

[drivlikejehu]

 

Yes there is.

 

You are factually wrong about this. 

 

For one thing, it basically isn't possible for a team to "breach" one of these agreements, which aren't even contracts (presumably it's an addendum to their internal operating documents). In these situations, they are acting as a joint venture (MLB). The clubs follow the rules, and if not, any issues are settled by MLB without external legal action (e.g., the Red Sox signees declared to be free agents recently).

 

Even putting that aside, it isn't a 'breach' to chose the penalty over the standard clause. Those clubs accepted the 'penalty' and continue to follow all of the rules. 

 

You are also incorrect about the ethical and moral implications of breaches of contract. It is absolutely false to say that breaching a contract is per se wrong, and zero law school ethics professors would take such a position. 

 

I can see how that is counter-intuitive for those who haven't studied the issues, but if you spent a year or so learning about them, I am confident your perspective would change.

Edited July 5, 2016 by drivlikejehu

[bird]

 

If this behavior was actually prohibited though, wouldn't the rules say that the signings would be invalidated instead of penalized?  If I steal a car, I don't get to keep the car if I pay a fine and do my jail time.

 

Either way, I really would like to hear the reasoning from the Twins brass. Plenty of teams, maybe even most of them by now, have taken the penalty and reaped the benefits including many small market clubs. I'd like to know if the Twins won't do it for "ethical" reasons, fiscal reasons, if they don't like enough players or if they just can't attract enough players. I'm curious, though I'd probably be disappointed by any answer.

 

We really need an International Draft if the Twins as they currently stand are going to compete for Latin prospects going forward. If the team is going to self-impose a handicap, they really can't rely on scouting alone and solely rely on finding the diamonds in the rough.

 

 

That's a good observation. I have read the agreement, and find no explanation as to why the penalty steers clear from nullification instead of financial and privilege penalties. Your state law explicitly provides for confiscating that stolen car and your drugs too. Shame on you.

 

My guess is they were considering the consequences to a kid who signed a contract with a team, and what the damages might be to his family and him were they to void the contract he signed through no fault of his own.

 

There are some ironic things about how the Twins have been affected by the changes (some self-inflicted wounds, no doubt). I can recall having a long personal conversation with Andy MacPhail, obviously many many years back. He described the exhausting effort it took to convince Carl to finally dramatically jack up the international budget so the Twins could embark on what Andy and Bill Smith described as a ten-year project to build the physical and organizational infrastructure necessary to become one of the best at procuring IFA talent. The economic tide has incrementally shifted favorably for the franchise (revenue-sharing, salary caps and taxes, Rule 4 allotments, Target Field). The team has gone from trying to out-scout others during the pre-video days but still being handcuffed by financial constraints. Then, as their fin ancial handicaps became less pronounced, the playing field on the scouting front leveled because of technology and other teams making larger commitments to scouting as opposed to FA acquisitions. Then, along came the bonus pool allotments, which very much make it difficult for one team to out-scout and outsmart the competitor. SO, some teams opted to tilt the field in their favor by cheating the compliant teams because a poorly written legal document allowed them to breach the agreement.

[Han Joelo]

Interesting discussion, and well-made points on both sides of the coin.  I would imagine that for frugal owners, an additional incentive to abide by the contract, agreement, pirate's code, or sorta-set-of-guidelines--call it what you want--is to keep overall bonus sizes in check.  And I can't blame them.  I just spent a weekend with my 16 year old nephew.  Good kid, but I can't imagine giving him $4 million dollars and sending him around the world for a job.  

 

Is the problem with agreeing on an international draft a continuing disparity in the level of commitment to scouting and facilities various teams have made?  

[Mike Sixel]

There are many unintended consequences of a draft......it appears, no idea if true but people state it, that Puerto Rico has seen a big fall off in baseball talent/development since they were put in the draft, for example.

 

there's also the whole how do you justify taking a 16 year old and making him a full time baseball player on $4* an hour......

 

*make no mistake, if they won't pay minor leaguers real money, they certainly won't pay it to 16 year olds in other countries who won't be here for 2 years plus.

[bird]

 

You are factually wrong about this. 

 

For one thing, it basically isn't possible for a team to "breach" one of these agreements, which aren't even contracts (presumably it's an addendum to their internal operating documents). In these situations, they are acting as a joint venture (MLB). The clubs follow the rules, and if not, any issues are settled by MLB without external legal action (e.g., the Red Sox signees declared to be free agents recently).

 

Even putting that aside, it isn't a 'breach' to chose the penalty over the standard clause. Those clubs accepted the 'penalty' and continue to follow all of the rules. 

 

You are also incorrect about the ethical and moral implications of breaches of contract. It is absolutely false to say that breaching a contract is per se wrong, and zero law school ethics professors would take such a position. 

 

I can see how that is counter-intuitive for those who haven't studied the issues, but if you spent a year or so learning about them, I am confident your perspective would change.

 

 

We may have to solicit the services of the CNN fact checker here.

 

The International Bonus Pool is set pursuant to a contractual agreement we know as the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). The CBA is an agreement, a contract, running among and between the 30 MLB teams and the players, who are represented in the agreement by their union of course. This contract has hundreds and hundreds of provisions, most of which are spelled out in th body of the contract,but many of which are spelled out in some of the dozen or so Addendums, including those provisions of the International Bonus Pool (p. 265 I think).

 

So, for starters, it is certainly NOT an addendum to some "internal operating document" as you are presuming. It is a contact, and it is an agreement. There is no confusion about this. All parties to the agreement are guilty of a breach whenever they break a promise (a rule). Specifically, one of the "rules" is the annual assignment of the pool allotment.

 

The language of the contract is poor. This is my opinion, and also the opinion of a handful of other lawyers I know (I'm retired, but was trained as a lawyer and authored a handful of Code of Ethics in my career). Because of my background, I know quite a few ethics professors, and have asked two of them for their opinion. They concur that, although the language sucks, the intent is fairly clear that teams are to abide by the pool allotment. Otherwise, why waste the ink? I reached out and asked one of my ethics professor acquaintances if she'd be willing to take the time to post a comment on the thread. It's a lot for me to ask, but I did anyway. We'll see if she finds time. But, you have declared that absolutely no law professor of ethics would say that breaching a contract is per se wrong. Don't know how to help you with that perspective, and I have real people with backgrounds in ethics work that disagree with this statement. 

 

Legal crap aside, the question for me is, did teams agree to the bonus pool allotment procedure when they signed the CBA, and did this involve at least the intention on the part of every team to live within the very clear rules spelled out regarding the annual bonus pool allotment? I think they did, and it was. Where I grew up, it was just plain wrong to break a promise to someone, especially when it caused them harm. But maybe I just have a really warped moral code.

 

Based on the last paragraph of your post, can I presume you spent a year or so studying the issues?

 

I DO understand why people want to think of this as simply a matter of it being a piece of paper suggesting that you can either stay within the limits of the pool if you want, or, if you feel like it, bust through it and pay a penalty. Sorry, it's not.

Edited July 5, 2016 by birdwatcher

[Mike Sixel]

While we don't agree, I respect your stand on this issue.

[bird]

 

Approximately 28% of MLB players are foreign born.  If you subtract those from Canada and Puerto Rico subject to the draft, it's still more than 24%.  Are the major leaguers turning out by the Twins farm system anywhere near 24% of the total?

 

 

Yes, I think so.

 

I know we didn't draft all of them, but I see about ten foreign-born players on the current MLB roster, including Rosario, Kepler, Sano, and Santana. Roughly 40%. Looking down in the minors, it looks like the current roster representation from six clubs is closer to 40% foreign-born.

 

I presume you're attempting to conclude that the Twins are less effective at signing and developing foreign-born players than the average team?

Edited July 5, 2016 by birdwatcher

[bird]

 

While we don't agree, I respect your stand on this issue.

 

 

Likewise, Mr. Sixel.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Yes, I think so.

 

I know we didn't draft all of them, but I see about ten foreign-born players on the current MLB roster, including Rosario, Kepler, Sano, and Santana. Looking down in the minors, it looks like the current roster representation from six clubs is closer to 40% foreign-born.

 

I presume you're attempting to conclude that the Twins are less effective at signing and developing foreign-born players than the average team?

 

4/25......plus Vargas sort of....and I think Arcia was......so, about 20% which isn't awfully far off (and I'm only counting the ones that they were the original MLB team for....they have others they have acquired otherwise, ---- Abad, Ervin Santana, Nunez, so they are on/above the league average). Given the numbers, perhaps more managerial staff that weren't white Americans would be a good idea......