Packaging Willingham and Morneau for Bundy

[PseudoSABR]

Why even respond to threads like this? Clearly lazy and glib. Maybe video game/fantasy informed? Two vets for one prospect? Ha!? Last time that happened, the Twins traded for Delmon Young (a rookie).

 

The O's are not an old team, and will not bet the farm to improve current club, but they will trade from a position of strength, which might not be starting pitching.

 

The Twins have rarely (if never, as far as I remember) eaten salary.

 

Did i say: Why lend credence to poor conceived trade scenarios. I'm not sure why moderators care about tone than merit (but whatever).

[a-wan]

If JR could trade Liriano for Al Bundy, that would be great.

[righty8383]

Why even respond to threads like this? Clearly lazy and glib. Maybe video game/fantasy informed? Two vets for one prospect? Ha!? Last time that happened, the Twins traded for Delmon Young (a rookie).

 

The O's are not an old team, and will not bet the farm to improve current club, but they will trade from a position of strength, which might not be starting pitching.

 

The Twins have rarely (if never, as far as I remember) eaten salary.

 

Did i say: Why lend credence to poor conceived trade scenarios. I'm not sure why moderators care about tone than merit (but whatever).

I agree with most of this except that last sentence. Are you saying the mods should delete threads that most people would beleive have no "merit"?

[kab21]

Something is up. Especially for a team that... at least on paper... Doesn't appear to be that far off. No need for a fire sale. Good young pitching and exceptional pitching prospects behind that. The farm system is in good shape so you don't have a desperation restocking on your things to do list. The only real hole appears to be 3B... Join the club with that. A bunch of teams have holes at 3B.

 

You list good reasons but it doesn't add up. I think we have a player out of favor. I won't be drafting him in fantasy baseball next year just in case.

I think it's partly out of favor but I think AZ is coming to the realization that he might not come close to all of that potential. The nagging injuries and the frequent slumps don't help either. I think the other reason that they might trade him is that maybe they can land a Machado type prospect and few other lesser prospects for him.

 

Trading Willingham and Morneau for Bundy is just laughable. I have a hard time believing that the OP is serious. Yet, he is.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm not sure why moderators care about tone than merit (but whatever).

Bingo - this baffles me as well.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I'm not sure why moderators care about tone than merit (but whatever).

Because merit is completely subjective. It'd be great if all the stupid people left the internet forever but a lot of "stupidity" is actually just "ignorance". I was a dumb baseball poster when I started back in the late 90s. Most of us were pretty stupid back in the day. Over time, we took our lumps and became smarter baseball folks.

 

On the other hand, calling someone a "****ing idiot" every other post is easily identified as inflammatory and unnecessary.

[cr9617]

The former trade idea is consistent with win-now, the latter, with win-later. If you have better ideas to float, than do.

 

I think like some others-including prospective buyers ("pricey," "More pricey," "Made me laugh") that people over-value the Twins trade chips as the current CBA and contract situations stand. Thus I propose sign and trades wherever possible. A win-now trade for Upton could easily synergize with a return to form by Baker, Pavano, Gibson, Liriano and, combined with healthy seasons from key players (mauer, Willingham) could push this club back into the ALC lead.

 

The worst would be for returning players to outperform expectations, and the FO stayed away contributors by being close-minded before the 2012 trade deadline. 2013 could look very different from 2011-2012, if the cards fall right. If the cards are wrong, then a firesale now would maximize returns for when a return to form is ripe - 2015-2016 most likely.

 

One or the other, that is what I would like to know about. Since so much boom-or-bust depends on a few key players - Liriano, Baker, Gibson, Mauer, Morneau, Plouffe, esp. None are sure things, but all have high upside. If things break half/half, then we are like the White Sox cca. 2011-2012 - finishing just outside of contention. Something the Pohlads would certainly prefer to a firesale. Thus I am inquiring to those who want a firesale - what exactly should we do?

This is a seriously worthless thread...

[boney]

I'm not trying to derail this thread so ignore me if needed but does anyone else think that Lavelle and Joe C. are being a bit lazy? I usually burn through my 20 articles on the Strib especially with what the Wild have done this year so I check the local guys twitter accounts alot. If it was this close to the NBA or NHL trade deadline Zgoda and Russo would seemingly be on there 24hrs a day but with Lavelle and Joe C. you get in game stuff some BBQ joint tips and nothing else. I don't need every rumor justified but people have to be asking these two questions that maybe they have an inside idea of don't they?

[TheLeviathan]

This is a seriously worthless thread...

so you're saying we should start one about trading for Verlander right?

 

/snark (because it appears to be necessary)

[PseudoSABR]

Because merit is completely subjective. It'd be great if all the stupid people left the internet forever but a lot of "stupidity" is actually just "ignorance". I was a dumb baseball poster when I started back in the late 90s. Most of us were pretty stupid back in the day. Over time, we took our lumps and became smarter baseball folks.

 

On the other hand, calling someone a "****ing idiot" every other post is easily identified as inflammatory and unnecessary.

Not completely subjective, but I understand the dilemma. We had a system at byto and lots of boards have a place to put reckless threads. I think it's just as a inflammatory to start a new thread for whatever crazy trade idea pops in my head.

[Blackjack]

The new issue of Sports Illustrated had a good article on Bundy and how the O's are being so very careful with him. Another point they made was how many high school pitchers wash out and never make the majors.