Would you trade Liriano for what the Pirates gave the Astros for Wandy?

[Thrylos]

then you offer Liriano arb.

that was so 2011

[Boom Boom]

I'd tell them to keep the outfielder and give me at least one better pitcher.

[ALessKosherScott]

The Astros get Rudy Owens, a 24 year old LHP who is repeating AAA this season and is 8-5 with 3.14 ERA and 1.168 WHIP, 6.5 K/9 and 3.4 K/BB), Robbie Grossman a 22 year old toolsy CF who is hitting .262/.374/.403 with 7 HRs in AA and Colton Cain a 21 year old LHP who is pitching in high A with 4.20 ERA, 1.240 WHIP, 6.1 K/9 and 2.04 K/BB. Not top 100 MLB prospects and only Grossman was on BA's list of the Pirates' top 10 prospects at number 8. The Pirates also got some $.

 

If you were the Twins, would you trade Liriano for that?

Probably not, but mostly because Grossman is the headline prospect and he's essentially Aaron Hicks without the defensive range and arm. The other two prospects sat #13 and #16 on BA's Pirate Prospect List and profile as potential #4 starters or LOOGies.

 

But at the same time, in theory this is the trade you're going to get if you trade Liriano. Since you're not going to get the best and brightest from another team's system, the question becomes how do a Dave Hollins for David Ortiz trade and lift a valuable prospect out of the system without your trade partner realizing it? This used to be Terry Ryan's forte (Liriano himself being an example of it), but it hasn't for some time.

[diehardtwinsfan]

that was so 2011

um.. no. You can make a qualifying 12.5M offer to Francisco, which I'd guess he will reject. If not, you get him back (and he's not a terrible option at that price) and if he does, you get the pick.

[nicksaviking]

Liriano won't take the one year qualifying offer, he's likely going to be the best and youngest lefty on the market next year. Even if he stumbles down the stretch, some team is going to offer multiple years and his agent knows it. If that holds true, I'd take the draft pick over the grab bag the Astros got, but we really don't know if the Astros could have improved the quality of their return if they would have lessened the quantity of their return.

[CDog]

um.. no. You can make a qualifying 12.5M offer to Francisco, which I'd guess he will reject. If not, you get him back (and he's not a terrible option at that price) and if he does, you get the pick.

It's a quibble between the "qualifying offer" and you having said "arbitration." Which seems like it was just a mis-use of the wording.

[Siehbiscuit]

The Pirates and Astros are both cheap. Pirates gave up cheap prospects to get Wandy Rodriguez. The Astros saw this as an opportunity to salary dump and get a little something in return. This is more of the type of deal I would expect for Morneau. If the Twins move him it is a salary dump. Liriano and Rodriguez may be similar, Rodriguez has a price tag that Liriano doesn't.

[Guest USAFChief]

that was so 2011

Thrylos lays down some first class snark, yo.

[Auto7]

Hey guys, first post here, but i've got more than i care to admit on another twins forum.

 

I probably have an unconventional view on Liriano in that I don't view him as somebody that we need to worry about what we get for him. I think if any team offers a top 25 prospect for the guy you have to take it before they can change their mind. I believe, even in our bad state, that our rotation is better served without him in it. The guy is a head case. If one or two bad things go wrong he melts down. I know he's had a better month or so (last night aside) but really he's not a guy you want on your team if you wish to be a playoff contender. This is why i'm actually flabbergasted that teams like the jays were interested in him. You want someone consistent and steady in the playoffs, not a guy like liriano. Heck no 2 pitches are even the same with him, he can't offer the exact same delivery twice (not that his delivery is worth repeating or anything)..

 

anywho, in conclusion, im' not in the slightest bit concerned if the twins get nothing for liriano. I mean definitely get the best you can but don't hold out too much.. We're better off just without him on the team.

[UCLA_YANKEE_COLA]

Well that's silly, of course you want to get something for him. Regardless of how you feel about him, if another team values him (they do) you squeeze every last drop out of him. And if we can get a top 25 prospect for him I'll probably kiss JR on the mouth.

[gil4]

I think if any team offers a top 25 prospect for the guy you have to take it before they can change their mind.

None of the three prospects the Astros got were even top 100. I would assume if someone offered a top 25, we'd take it. Isn't Sano right around 26? If someone ofers a prospect similar to Sano for 2 months of Frankie, we'd take it. David Stern might have to cross sports and get involved in that trade, though.

[Auto7]

Well that's silly, of course you want to get something for him. Regardless of how you feel about him, if another team values him (they do) you squeeze every last drop out of him. And if we can get a top 25 prospect for him I'll probably kiss JR on the mouth.

Of course you want something for him but you dont worry too much about what that something is, there's absolutely no reason to be picky on what you get for liriano because while there is amazingly interest in him, the best thing you can do with him is just get him out of town.

[Auto7]

None of the three prospects the Astros got were even top 100. I would assume if someone offered a top 25, we'd take it. Isn't Sano right around 26? If someone ofers a prospect similar to Sano for 2 months of Frankie, we'd take it. David Stern might have to cross sports and get involved in that trade, though.

I meant in their organization

[Badsmerf]

I meant in their organization

Top 25 in an organization? Are you ****ing crazy? Liriano has been elite the last 10 starts and you want to trade him for a guy that wont even profile to be a AAAA player? Wow dude. Liriano may not be Roy Halladay for steadiness, but he's got talent that not many guys in baseball have. Talent isn't cheap. I'm in the boat that I'd be perfectly content offering arb and receiving a draft pick as compensation if he leaves. Trade him for ****ty minor league relief pitcher....

[kab21]

then you offer Liriano arb.

12.5M is a lot of money to play the comp pick game with.