Eddie Rosario Demoted to Rochester

[Seth Stohs]

Per Mike Berardino, Eddie Rosario has been demoted to AAA Rochester.

 

https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/733068994031276032 

 

 

The assumption should be that new-Twin Robbie Grossman is likely on his way to the Twins. Signed just a day ago, he played for the Red Wings on Tuesday night. 

 

Rosario was benched late in the game today for taking an extra base in the ninth, so it was pretty clear that the writing was on the wall.

[Platoon]

I wonder if we could get the band back together again. They could sit on the deck and play "Nearer my god to thee" Rosario has sucked, there is no doubt about it. On its own this might just be a blurp, but this seems a daily event, with no reasonable expectations of improvement. Now we have a IF playing CF, two AAAA of, and an offensive tackle playing RF. I actually feel sorry for Twins pitchers! I cannot believe I just typed that!

[jimmer]

Between the very poor performance and the mental mistakes, he really doesn't deserve to stay in the majors.

 

Then again, this is a lost season so do we let the supposed future play and gain experience while taking lumps or do we replace the future with also bad players like Grossman?  It's sad our vaunted farm system can't seem to produce players who can hack it yet and we resort to players like Grossman.

[Platoon]

Btw, if you had any doubt left as to why decisions like this are made, Molitor yesterday said he doesn't consider the season lost.sadly he was not clear as to when he would get to that point.

[jimmer]

 

I wonder if we could get the band back together again. They could sit on the deck and play "Nearer my god to thee" Rosario has sucked, there is no doubt about it. On its own this might just be a blurp, but this seems a daily event, with no reasonable expectations of improvement. Now we have a IF playing CF, two AAAA of, and an offensive tackle playing RF. I actually feel sorry for Twins pitchers! I cannot believe I just typed that!

just keep telling yourself, defense doesn't matter, especially corner OF.

[Platoon]

The top ranked farm system, or so we are constantly told in MLB, and we cannot come up with one decent f*^#ing OF'er?

[jimmer]

 

The top ranked farm system, or so we are constantly told in MLB, and we cannot come up with one decent f*^#ing OF'er?

not sure we can stop at just OF when we say that. IF?  Catcher?

[DocBauer]

In the long run this is probably best for him at this time, IMO. He showed natural hitting ability and talent throughout his milb career, including part of a season at AA. Then game the disappointing 2014 season after his suspension, which I'm sure threward off his year. He pretty much bypassed AAA completely, save for a few games, before his promotion to the Twins last year.

 

He really had a pretty great season offensively and defensively, and obviously flashed some big potential. Despite some possible regression this year, I really thought he'd also grow in a few areas. Never a walk machine, hetc hit well in the minors and his OB% was never bad. But things have obviously not worked out this season thus far.

 

I reflect on Seth's recent plan that included this very thing happening, and I really hope the Twins have similar thoughts; get Rosario, Buxton and Kepler, along with ktners, then bring them up enmasse.

[Deduno Abides]

The worst thing is that they're trashing all of their young players, which could hurt for years. In the mid-90's, there were several young players who were considered good at that time, all of whom bombed out. We could see this collection of talent have a similar fade.

[jimmer]

Rosarios 'great' offense last year was a result of unsustainable amount of triples.  I can't get behind the idea he had a great offensive season when he had an OBP sub .290.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Kinda surprising it took this long. I suppose it had to wait until they could acquire a caliber of player like David Murphy or Robbie Grossman.

[Deduno Abides]

The atmosphere in the clubhouse must be putrid, with everyone wondering who's going to be singled out for blame next, with the clear understanding that management and several underperforming veterans will not be held accountable.

[PseudoSABR]

 

The worst thing is that they're trashing all of their young players

You can't really believe this, can you?  The Twins don't seem to be trashing (as in throwing some one out, or trash talking some one) any of their young players, as disappointed as they might be the results on the field.  The early 2000s teams had several star players go up and down their first several years, only to find legitimate and sustained success at some point.  

[USAFChief]

A big league GM should know better than to depend on a guy like Rosario to productively hold down a full time big league job. You can't win a gamble like that very often.

 

Zero strike zone control, modest power. Not a lot of high minor's success.

 

I keep coming back to how I think you treat minor leaguers, including phenoms (which Rosario wasn't): you never, ever make room for them and count on them. You make them force their way onto the big league team through production, and earn progressively more playing time once they get there.

[Mr. Brooks]

If he wants to have a ceiling higher than a fringe 4th OF'er in this league, he's going to have to do some serious soul searching and decide if he's willing to basically start from scratch again.

Physically he has the tools to be a league average corner OF'error, IMO. And, there is plenty of value in that and he could play 15 years and make 100 million dollars.

But, he swings at everything. It's really amazing, not sure I've ever seen this extreme. His approach has no chance of success long term against mlb pitching.

[nicksaviking]

The atmosphere in the clubhouse must be putrid, with everyone wondering who's going to be singled out for blame next, with the clear understanding that management and several underperforming veterans will not be held accountable.

I'm not saying it's fair, but I think there's a fairly good chance Molitor has lost the clubhouse.

 

It took Gardy over a decade, and even if we as fans wanted him replaced, there really wasn't anything he did that would be considered fire-able.

 

It might not be fair, but it looks to me like Molitor is at that point in just over a year. There's generally only two options to fix that, and option #2, firing all the players, isn't plausible and will never happen.

[Deduno Abides]

You can't really believe this, can you?  The Twins don't seem to be trashing (as in throwing some one out, or trash talking some one) any of their young players, as disappointed as they might be the results on the field.  The early 2000s teams had several star players go up and down their first several years, only to find legitimate and sustained success at some point.

 

Where did I say trash talk (although the Twins do publicly criticize players more than needed)? Would you prefer that I say they are damaging their young players by not thinking through the ramifications of their actions?

[Deduno Abides]

I'm not saying it's fair, but I think there's a fairly good chance Molitor has lost the clubhouse.

It took Gardy over a decade, and even if we as fans wanted him replaced, there really wasn't anything he did that would be considered fire-able.

It might not be fair, but it looks to me like Molitor is at that point in just over a year. There's generally only two options to fix that, and option #2, firing all the players, isn't plausible and will never happen.

Old school (Ruben Amaro, Jr.): Ryne Sandberg

New school (Andy McPhail and Matt Klentak): Pete Mackanin

[USAFChief]

I'm not saying it's fair, but I think there's a fairly good chance Molitor has lost the clubhouse.

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Concur. Strongly.

[Danchat]

This reminds me of conversations pre-season about players who were pegged for regression. Rosario was one of the top options, though many argued that his natural hitting ability would enable him to sustain his 2015 numbers.

 

Nope, he's Danny Santana 2015 in 2016.

 

Now it's time for more mediocre veterans! Will it be Robbie Grossman? Will Darin Mastroianni start over Arcia more often than not? 

[jimmer]

While I agree with the practice, the problem with suggesting the young guys need to force their way onto this ML squad is that the talent level of the people they would be working to replace on this team is very low.  This roster is a full blown mess, regardless of some trying to say otherwise to deflect blame off Ryan.

[adjacent]

Buxton, Rosario, Sano, Kepler, Barrios, Arcia, even Kennys Vargas, this is a very talented group. In the minors not only had stellar individual performances, but won championships as a team. An yet, when thay come to MLB, all underperformed. Something is telling me that there is something wrong the way these players were prepared, or are being coached. 

[Mr. Brooks]

Buxton, Rosario, Sano, Kepler, Barrios, Arcia, even Kennys Vargas, this is a very talented group. In the minors not only had stellar individual performances, but won championships as a team. An yet, when thay come to MLB, all underperformed. Something is telling me that there is something wrong the way these players were prepared, or are being coached.

I think that has to be considered for sure.

It's going to take several years before we can know if that's the case or not, but at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if every single person in the organization has been infected, right on down through the minors.

[twinssouth]

Sending Rosario down doesn't surprise me but bringing up someone like Robbie Grossman would surprise me. With their so called deep farm system, if they felt none of the utes are ready, seems to me you could make a trade for a better outfielder, dangling a C or B- prospect.

[Mr. Brooks]

Sending Rosario down doesn't surprise me but bringing up someone like Robbie Grossman would surprise me. With their so called deep farm system, if they felt none of the utes are ready, seems to me you could make a trade for a better outfielder, dangling a C or B- prospect.

This club is way to far away from competence, let alone contention to even consider trading any prospects away.

If the choice is Grossman for nothing but money and a 40 spot or trading actual prospects for an insignificant veteran OF'er, I'll drive Robbie over from Rochester myself.

[KirbyDome89]

Can we option Molitor to AAA yet?......

[Vanimal46]

I'm going to head out and bury my head in some sand. Let me know when this nightmare of Arcia-Santana-Mastro-Grossman is over.

[Kwak]

Amen to Rosario to the minors.  That steal of 3B was stupid!  Add the throw home in the first, the failed catch of the pop-up between him and Nunez and it is clear Rosario is ​not playing at the MLB level.   ​

[Deduno Abides]

I think that has to be considered for sure.

It's going to take several years before we can know if that's the case or not, but at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if every single person in the organization has been infected, right on down through the minors.

Buxton, Rosario, Sano, Kepler, Barrios, Arcia, even Kennys Vargas, this is a very talented group. In the minors not only had stellar individual performances, but won championships as a team. An yet, when thay come to MLB, all underperformed. Something is telling me that there is something wrong the way these players were prepared, or are being coached.

 

May, Meyer, Polanco are on the two-tier carousel, also. Duffey probably still feels like he will suffer from a few bad games more than veteran pitchers would.

 

A few years ago, Liam Hendriks and Hicks were on it, as was Pinto, until his concussions. Danny Valencia was handled oddly (from "You're a starter against everyone;" to "you're out of here for nothing, just go").

 

This doesn't include lesser prospects, such as D. Santana and Parmalee.

 

Bartlett, Dozier, Garza fought through it. Of course, two of them were traded in their prime years.

 

Differently, but still odd, was how Slowey and Scott Baker had to deal with public challenges to their manhood.

 

After a while, despite the Zeusian effects of Torii Hunter, management has set a culture.

[Seth Stohs]

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