Competitive Balance Lottery

[JB_Iowa]

"Fandom" doesn't have anything to do with the competitive market lottery so it doesn't matter how many Braves fans live in Wisconsin. They aren't doing a Harris Poll to determine team allegiance before they determine the bottom 10 in market size.

 

According to Wikipedia (shaky but the only reference I could find that made sense here), the Twins would be the 11th smallest market. They use MSAs and define the following as the lowest 10 (from smallest to biggest): Milwaukee, Kansas City, Cleveland, Cinncinnati, Pittsburgh, Denver, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, St. Louis and San Diego. They have the Mpls-SP statistical area as about 215,00+ bigger than San Diego.

 

Assuming Wiki is correct in how baseball defines market size, that explains why the Twins didn't qualify in the bottom 10 in market size. And, for now, with TF revenues, they aren't likely to qualify in the bottom 10 in revenue.

 

So the first round included those who fall within the bottom 10 in market size or revenue (they overlap so you don't end up with 20 teams).

 

Then Detroit slipped in the 2nd round because they received revenue sharing money last year. I'm not sure how they did that. Saw speculation in Jeremy Nygaard's thread that it was because of Detroit's TV deal but according to Phil Mackey and others, the Tigers have a TV deal that started in 2008 that is worth $40 million/year (as compared to the Twins TV deal started in 2011 worth $29 million/year).

 

So Detroit must have lagged significantly in other revenues to allow it to get revenue-sharing money qualifying them for the 2nd round. Apparently they need Dave St. Peter to help them capitalize on all their other revenue stream possibilities.

[JB_Iowa]

RCP, that's the TV markets, right? That's the one that has Iowa in 6 different markets (thus giving Jim Crikket heartburn).

 

I'm not sure if that is how baseball is defining market size or if they are using Metropolitan Statistical Areas (where Minnesota ranks 11th).

[Brock Beauchamp]

RCP, that's the TV markets, right? That's the one that has Iowa in 6 different markets (thus giving Jim Crikket heartburn).

 

I'm not sure if that is how baseball is defining market size or if they are using Metropolitan Statistical Areas (where Minnesota ranks 11th).

Yep, I believe that is a TV-only map.

[DaveW]

Ah, found a map. Of all the silly things, Seattle has the most territory. Who would have guessed that?

 

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Montana really doesn't count.

[biggentleben]

I'm in Rapid City, SD tonight. Far west SD, mountain time zone. The hotel had two FSNs. Colorado and Midwest

I figured I'd be watching Cuddy, but Midwest had the Twins broadcast on it... so Twins territory reaches farther than I imagined.

Until the 1998 home run chase, MSC (FSN) was the only regional channel in any of South Dakota, even the farthest west. The Rockies had a pretty good fan base in western SD from the time they started in 1993, but the Twins have been the dominant radio/TV team in the entire of the Dakotas since they came in the 60s, and you'd find the same in a lot of Montana/Wyoming as well, though those states start to get to Mariners long-standing fan bases.

[biggentleben]

Nobody is denying he is a Braves fan, it was just the notion that Wisconsin is "Braves territory"

 

Also the Rams and Raiders moved within the past 20 years and the Raiders still play relatively close to LA. (not over 1500 miles away). The Braves moved almost 50 years ago and ended up getting new team in the area a short time later.

Where did I say that it was Braves territory? My comment was about the entirety of Wisconsin being Brewers, not just Milwaukee, and I made the comment that there are pockets of Braves fans throughout a lot of the state that remain loyal to the team.

[biggentleben]

Regardless if there are Braves fans in Wisconsin the Braves don't have a share of the Wisconsin baseball market that will factor into the draft pick lottery. I also doubt that this fractional minority impacts the baseball revenue.

Once again, that was not the point I was making at all. There were comments about whether all of Wisconsin is Brewers or not, and someone brought up the western part of the state being loyal to the Twins, so I mentioned the Braves fan base in the state. There's also a pretty long-standing Cubs fan base in the southern part of the state.