You wonder why the Twins didn't make an offer for Aroldis Chapman? The Yankees stole him for 4 "prospects" and will most likely get him an extra season out of him after his suspension. Most likely he gets 50 games and then he is not a free agent until after the 2017 season. Then they could have a very scary bullpen and be a force to deal with if they could get any run support for their pitchers.

Aroldis Chapman, Dellin Betances and Andrew Miller?

Holy O'Bleep!

Miller, Betances, Chapman is a ridiculous end of the bullpen.  Bringing the ks in a massive way.

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by zchrz

Was thinking of equivalent Twins' players to the Yankees' players and I came up with:

 

Tonkin, Slegers, DJ Hicks and Ryan Walker

 

(and the Twins' group might actually be a hair better than the Yankees' group)

 

Couldn't Ryan better that?   Would the Twins miss these 4?

 

Not sure how the CBA will work, but Chapman will likely receive a QO and bring back a comp. draft pick as well....

 

Oh Well.

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by Thrylos

I can accept the Twins not going after people with credible accusations of domestic violence, even if they are really good.

 

I can accept the Twins not going after people with credible accusations of domestic violence, even if they are really good.

So nobody gets a second chance? If that is the case make all offenses lifetime bans. Come on man. Just wait until MLB announces he gets a 50 game suspension the Yankee's will be even more hated for getting an extra year of Chapman.

No reason why the Twins couldn't match that offer, especially when they have a past relationship with the Reds making deals.

 

I don't know who's going to start for the Yankees, but now they're loaded with the 3 highest k/9 relievers in the game from last year.

 

I can accept the Twins not going after people with credible accusations of domestic violence, even if they are really good.

 

Two words:

Kirby Puckett.

 

How do you feel about Kirby?

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by Thrylos

What makes people think that a Twins offer wouldn't be exceeded by a better offer from NY?

 

Two words:

Kirby Puckett.

 

How do you feel about Kirby?

It was incredibly saddening to hear about Kirby, long after his playing days.  I would have certainly thought differently about him if he had been on the field when we found out, and it wouldn't have been a "good" differently.  

 

And if you think this was a one-time case of abuse, and it will never happen again, you are being generous.  It's great to be forgiving but it's also fair to acknowledge that it means accepting a higher risk in your business relationship.

Was thinking of equivalent Twins' players to the Yankees' players and I came up with:

 

Tonkin, Slegers, DJ Hicks and Ryan Walker

 

(and the Twins' group might actually be a hair better than the Yankees' group)

 

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I know you're not serious but saying this is only going to rile up folks who might not know better.

 

Chapman also isn't going to get 45 games+. He probably should but no one has gotten that kind of suspension for domestic abuse and there will be just as much pressure to not let the Yankees game the system as there will be to punish Chapman. You can bet the AL East GMs have already let the commish know how feel about it.

The twins would never consider someone who has anything to do with domestic abuse charges.

What makes people think that a Twins offer wouldn't be exceeded by a better offer from NY?

What makes you think they would?

 

Two words:

Kirby Puckett.

 

How do you feel about Kirby?

 

Shhhhh. Nobody really likes to talk about Kirby's cravings (and it seemed that it was only after his playing days, anyway, right? and fooling around or trying to fool around isn't really domestic abuse  . His wife was pretty tough, though, as Kirby's mistress found out.) Chapman will be available again soon, though. The gun play in anger inside a dwelling ... eight shots with one out a window into unknown destinations......... is pretty disturbing, and that is by Chapman's own admission. I admire the Dodgers for backing away from him at this point in time, and not surprised it was the Yankees that overlooked the behavior. 

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by h2oface

 

It was incredibly saddening to hear about Kirby, long after his playing days.  I would have certainly thought differently about him if he had been on the field when we found out, and it wouldn't have been a "good" differently.  

 

And if you think this was a one-time case of abuse, and it will never happen again, you are being generous.  It's great to be forgiving but it's also fair to acknowledge that it means accepting a higher risk in your business relationship.

 

 

You seem to forget that Kirby was a Twins' Executive Vice President during and after the abuse allegations.

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by Thrylos

 

What makes you think they would?

If the Yankees want him--it won't be for a short-term rental--they will pay to keep him.  The "pieces" they sent are easily replaced (by much better players!) in the free-agent market.  But the Twins...?  In an auction Minnesota would be backed into a corner to trade players they can't afford to replace in the open market--so they will quit bidding and say "too much".  And the Twins will be right!.  

 

The Twins painted themselves into a corner with that huge contract for Nathan (emulating the Yankees of spending huge for an excellent closer)--and when Nathan went down in 2010 disaster struck.  Twice.  fist the loss of Nathan for the big year of 2010 and second when panic struck and the Twin traded to obtain Matt Capps to replace Nathan.  I don't think the Twins will make the mistake of a giant contract for a closer again.  All this adds up to the Twins not going to try to out-spend the Yankees for Chapman.

 

Was thinking of equivalent Twins' players to the Yankees' players and I came up with:

 

Tonkin, Slegers, DJ Hicks and Ryan Walker

 

That is equivalent to squat.

Tonkin has had a difficult time so far in MLB.

Aaron Slegers, DJ Hicks and Ryan Walker are a very good bet to NEVER reach the Big Leagues.

If the Yankees players are worse, then the Reds just held a salary-dump garage sale.

 

You would think the Twins would have at least let it leak through one of their trusted media sources, that they of course had an interest in Chapman, but felt they need to do their due diligence regarding the recent allegations of abuse. When someone, in this case the Yankees, inevetibally made the trade, the requisite "we considered the asking price to be too high, considering the unresolved character issues" statement could follow. Such a maneuver would have salved both camps. As for me, I would not sign him. I don't think athletes need to be role models, but this incident, and some preceding it, are beyond what most reasonable people consider acceptable. Let someone else deal with him when he inevitabally commits his next offense.

Yankees and Red Sox have really taken the complaints about their games being too long to heart.

Two words:

Kirby Puckett.

 

How do you feel about Kirby?

Worse now than I did when he played. But I try to avoid speaking too much ill will of the dead.

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by drjim

So nobody gets a second chance? If that is the case make all offenses lifetime bans. Come on man. Just wait until MLB announces he gets a 50 game suspension the Yankee's will be even more hated for getting an extra year of Chapman.

Sure they deserve a second chance. Doesn't have to be with the Twins.

 

Two words:

Kirby Puckett.

 

How do you feel about Kirby?

 

My view on Kirby didn't change after his incident.  He is a human being we all make mistakes.

 

My view on Kirby didn't change after his incident.  He is a human being we all make mistakes.

 

Incident? or Incidents?

 

So very true. Is eight anger filled shots into a concrete wall a mistake? Maybe one.... but after you realized the gun was loaded, certainly not the next 7. Is one pat on the butt a mistake? How many times and it is still a mistake or does it become malicious uninvited entitled behavior, and not a mistake? Kirby's behavior was a habit, and I don't see how it can be called a mistake. Same with Chapman. I find it easier to forgive and give someone second chances, if they realize themselves that what they did was not a mistake, a behavior that they did that was purposeful, and make changes and admit that it was not a mistake, but a behavior that they are admitting to being done with purpose, and are apologizing and getting help to change.

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by h2oface

 

Was thinking of equivalent Twins' players to the Yankees' players and I came up with:

 

Tonkin, Slegers, DJ Hicks and Ryan Walker

 

(and the Twins' group might actually be a hair better than the Yankees' group)

 

Couldn't Ryan better that?   Would the Twins miss these 4?

 

Not sure how the CBA will work, but Chapman will likely receive a QO and bring back a comp. draft pick as well....

 

Oh Well.

 

Was thinking of equivalent Twins' players to the Yankees' players and I came up with:

 

Tonkin, Slegers, DJ Hicks and Ryan Walker

 

(and the Twins' group might actually be a hair better than the Yankees' group)

 

Couldn't Ryan better that?   Would the Twins miss these 4?

 

Not sure how the CBA will work, but Chapman will likely receive a QO and bring back a comp. draft pick as well....

 

Oh Well.

More like Tonkin, Melotakis  if he were right handed, AB Walker with an injury history, and Levi Michael. The other caveat would be that all of these prospect the Yankees traded were all younger than any Twins comparable per level.  The Reds got 2 powerball tickets, a $5 scratch off, and somebody likely off the 40 man roster so the Yankees could have room. 

Regardless of the domestic abuse charges. The twins have shown their too cheap to pick up a reliever. Instead were shopping in the bargain bin... Hopefully one day we'll get over the hump when it comes to adding payroll.. Yes they added payroll when the ballpark opened. I think that was mostly for show

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by magiklair

Its so very tempting to say lets pick up a super talent like Chapman for a fairly cheap price but do we really want that baggage, that risk that he'll throw another temper tantrum that sends him to jail?? Is that the reputation that the Twins want to embrace and foster??

 

I say no.

Yankees paid way too much.  If he Twins had to top that, I'm quite glad they didn't.

Yankees paid way too much.  If he Twins had to top that, I'm quite glad they didn't.

Huh?

 

I can understand not wanting Chapman.

 

But the price paid was definitely not too much.

Cashman basically said they got him on the cheap because of the ongoing investigation. 

 

It may well work out for the Yankees and they certainly have a crazy top 3 now, but I can't fault the Twins for not trading for him right now, especially with an investigation and potential suspension.  All we know is that he punched, choked, and fired 8 shots inside a house.  For all we know he fired them at her.

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by tobi0040

Great move from a purely baseball perspective.....not so great from a human being perspective.

 

And no, not everyone "deserves" multiple chances. These are not one time incidents.....as for Kirby, I hate him as a human being now. He clearly was a person that if he wasn't an athlete that people irrationally loved, would be disliked/hated....but athletes get passes all the time.