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ah, so whose kid is she?

 

Side note, I suspect either Luke or Leah dies in Episode 8. They are wisely removing the old and bringing in the new. I could see force cameos like Obi Wan did in Episode 5 and 6, but largely moving on.

It doesn't specify who she is, only that Kylo knows her identity... Which I suspected after watching the film. He becomes very upset when an officer mentions Finn and BB-8 escaped with a girl. In the book, he says something along the lines of "So it IS you" to Rey and Snoke says "Kylo's suspicions about the girl were correct".

 

Given that Kylo knows her identity and guessed it while Snoke did not, that leads me to suspect there's a familial relationship between Kylo and Rey.

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It doesn't specify who she is, only that Kylo knows her identity... Which I suspected after watching the film. He becomes very upset when an officer mentions Finn and BB-8 escaped with a girl. In the book, he says something along the lines of "So it IS you" to Rey and Snoke says "Kylo's suspicions about the girl were correct".

Given that Kylo knows her identity and guessed it while Snoke did not, that leads me to suspect there's a familial relationship between Kylo and Rey.

 

So we know the new movies threw out any of the cannon that the older novelization created. I wonder if it's set fast that the future movies won't contradict the current novelization? Books can have so much more sub-text, but on the other hand, no way will they want to provide spoilers for the movies.

 

What I'm getting at is I wonder if any of the stuff in the book that was cut in the movie may have been cut because the brain-trust didn't quite want to commit to that stuff as future movie plot points.

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So we know the new movies threw out any of the cannon that the older novelization created. I wonder if it's set fast that the future movies won't contradict the current novelization? Books can have so much more sub-text, but on the other hand, no way will they want to provide spoilers for the movies.

 

What I'm getting at is I wonder if any of the stuff in the book that was cut in the movie may have been cut because the brain-trust didn't quite want to commit to that stuff as future movie plot points.

According to LucasFilm, all books published in 2014 and later are canon (and I've read nearly all of them).

 

The novelization felt as if it was written from an early script and scenes were cut to increase intrigue, not because Abrams wanted to go a different direction. There are only a few key lines missing from Snoke and Kylo that tell quite a bit about what might be coming next.

 

I also recommend Before the Awakening if you want to learn more about the political climate leading up to Episode VII. Finn and Rey have mediocre stories but nearly half the book is dedicated to Poe, which is a good thing because a)we don't know enough about him and b)his story is far and away the most interesting.

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So what did you think?

 

Okay, well, here's my initial thought after the movie ... 'This is very much like the very first movie, IV, A New Hope.'

 

It's like they took an old house and fixed it up ... new paint, modernized, new decor ... it's the same house, but different.

 

But I still liked it a lot. And Mark Hamill has aged well! That was some nice eye candy at the end for this 'older chick.' ;) Oh, and a tear was shed at the loss of Han Solo. :'(

 

Oh, and now I can't wait for the next one!! I wasn't as ... anticipatory? ... after each of I, II and III ... but this revives the same feeling I had for the 'first' three, IV, V, VI.

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For me, it felt like a true Star Wars movie (unlike EP I-III).  Apparently they found and used some of the filters from Episodes IV-VI.

 

When taking sentiment out of the equation, it could be the second best Star Wars movie of all time behind Empire.

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I'd probably put it fourth, maybe third if I was really hating the Ewoks that day.

 

It was too derivative to go higher than ANH and nothing touches Empire.

So does that mean ANH was a 9/10 and Empire was a 10/10?

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Given that Kylo knows her identity and guessed it while Snoke did not, that leads me to suspect there's a familial relationship between Kylo and Rey.

 

I suppose it cannot be Star Wars without some sort of "I am your Father" type reference.  Any chance they make a new Space Balls movie once this is all done?

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Given that Kylo knows her identity and guessed it while Snoke did not, that leads me to suspect there's a familial relationship between Kylo and Rey.

 

To me Rey seemed to be a blend of Luke and Han. It made me wonder if Han had a sister he had introduced to Luke. ;)

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Well, it appears they've postponed the movie so they can write more screen time for Poe, Rey, and Finn based on the popularity of the characters in Episode VII. A reasonable sacrifice.

 

But does that mean a longer film? Or less screen time for Luke and the villains? Not that either option is necessarily wrong.

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The Hobbit should have really only been a 2 part deal, not a trilogy.  5 Armies was nothing but one big fight scene that could have been wrapped up in about an hour at the most.  Not sure I want to know what the extended version looks like, as I haven't seen that yet...

 

But sorry, if you're going to pay for a movie and the absurd prices for concessions, I have no problems with a 3 hour film, and if you hit the jack pot with a could characters you weren't expecting (which surprises me a bit that they didn't think Rey and Fin would be that popular), absolutely give them more time.  Don't necessarily cut out other ones though (unless they were weak to begin with). 

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But sorry, if you're going to pay for a movie and the absurd prices for concessions, I have no problems with a 3 hour film, and if you hit the jack pot with a could characters you weren't expecting (which surprises me a bit that they didn't think Rey and Fin would be that popular), absolutely give them more time.  Don't necessarily cut out other ones though (unless they were weak to begin with). 

You can't just add time to a story and expect more awesome to happen. There are ebbs and flows to the pacing of a story that are potentially ruined by just tacking on 10 minutes here and there throughout the film. Never mind that character roles may be swapped, arcs changed, etc. by removing two characters and increasing the screen time of three others. Instead of New Character X stealing the plans to Bad Guy's Death Weapon Y, you hand that role to Finn or Rey because it more tightly integrates Finn/Rey into the narrative you're attempting to weave, upping their importance and drama to the main story arc.

 

I have no problems with a three hour film if the film should be three hours and the story fits the wave pattern of a three hour film.

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I liked 5 armies more than the fight scenes with Smaug in movie 2....

I couldn't even finish Battle of the Five Armies because I simply did not care about anything happening on-screen.

 

Peter Jackson has slowly forgotten what an editor is and the role they play in a film/story. It started with the LotR trilogy but the movies were so ****ing awesome, audiences ate it up despite the fact there's a lot of unnecessary crap in those films (which I've watched 30-40+ times apiece). Then real problems started arising in King Kong, where I sat through entire scenes and said "that didn't need to be there" and "nope, I don't care about that, either".

 

By the time The Hobbit movies rolled around, he had forgotten what the word "edit" meant entirely. Whatever gibberish he dreamed up in his mind made it on screen.

 

I remember sitting in the first Hobbit film and muttering "holy ****, this scene is terrible" during the underground orc bridge/cart whatever the **** was happening" scene. Which is too bad because the Bilbo/Gollum ring scene was one of the best scenes of any of Jackson's Tolkien adaptation films.

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Suicide Squad could last 4 hours and I suspect I'd be left wanting more.

I'm cautiously optimistic about that film but I don't trust Time Warner to understand their own characters well enough to pull off the level of absurd that movie deserves.

 

Suicide Squad should be an insane romp in the vein of Fury Road or Deadpool... The trailer looks promising but I'm skeptical TW has the guts to push the envelope as far as they should with the film.

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Having just watched Fury Road.....that much over the top is too much. Maybe I'm old, but it either needed way less, or way more, over the top. 

I loved the movie and thought it was a lot of fun. The editing style made it watchable... It's over-the-top but not in a Michael Bay "WTF IS HAPPENING WHY IS THE CAMERA SPINNING BACK AND FORTH SO MUCH" sort of way. By keeping the focal plane consistent and the action in the center of the screen, it could cut scenes extremely quickly and the audience could keep up with the visuals. That led to a bonkers feel for the movie without going into incomprehensible territory.

 

Not that Suicide Squad should emulate that visual feel... But it was interesting for Fury Road.

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Suicide Squad should be an insane romp in the vein of Fury Road or Deadpool... The trailer looks promising but I'm skeptical TW has the guts to push the envelope as far as they should with the film.

 

Considering how much darker Man of Steel was compared to every other Superman incarnation, one would think Suicide Squad would be made pretty dark and edgy.

 

But to me, judging by the trailer, they may be trying to make a dark comedy with more focus on the comedy part. If they want to make this work, and work with the future DC movies, I think they really have to make these guys the bad guys; irredeemable and absolutely villainous. However if they are going to be the leads in their own film, I have a strong feeling they are going to make them anti-heros, because those are all the rage right now; good guys who do bad things, or bad guys who do good things. That's already supposed to be Batman by the way. These guys are supposed to shoot your kids and eat your wife while you watch.

 

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Considering how much darker Man of Steel was compared to every other Superman incarnation, one would think Suicide Squad would be made pretty dark and edgy.

 

But to me, judging by the trailer, they may be trying to make a dark comedy with more focus on the comedy part. If they want to make this work, and work with the future DC movies, I think they really have to make these guys the bad guys; irredeemable and absolutely villainous. However if they are going to be the leads in their own film, I have a strong feeling they are going to make them anti-heros, because those are all the rage right now; good guys who do bad things, or bad guys who do good things. That's already supposed to be Batman by the way. These guys are supposed to shoot your kids and eat your wife while you watch.

Well, thankfully Snyder is not directing SS. That gives me a little hope the movie will at least be in color.

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