Article: Predicting The Twins 40 Man Roster Additions

[sane]

BTW, So far, only the Blue Jays and the Cardinals have added minor-leaguers to their 40-man for Rule V protection according to MLB transactions.  Keyphrase= "selected the contract".

[Major League Ready]

The Twins saw performance as a AAA SP which they think transfers to a MLB RP.

His 2015 performance was good and maybe it "wowed" the Twins.

Most of us see a non-prospect, where the Twins see a MLB ready RP.

 

 

The Twins saw performance as a AAA SP which they think transfers to a MLB RP.

His 2015 performance was good and maybe it "wowed" the Twins.

Most of us see a non-prospect, where the Twins see a MLB ready RP.

Most of us didn't see Duffey as a serious prospect either.  Count me amongst those who don't see it with Dean but I hope to be wrong again.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Major Leauge Ready

[diehardtwinsfan]

The issue with Dean is where he is on the pecking order and where to stash him.  There are 7 guys on the 25 man roster right now who are starting pitchers.  Even if Nolasco and Milone are traded, you now have Dean sitting behind Rogers, Berrios, and quite possibly Meyer in AAA.  I'm not necessarily against keeping him if there's room on the 40 man, but I suspect that may be a bit of a long shot given the org's need for some decent relief pitching and quite possibly another OF.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Most of us didn't see Duffey as a serious prospect either.  Count me amongst those who don't see it with Dean but I hope to be wrong again.

 

The thing about Duffey is that you saw his peripherals improve with each step up the ladder.  That certainly was encouraging.  I'm not quite sure the type of pitcher he's going to be, but with a mid-90s FB and a hammer curve, he could be a pretty good one.  I thought he would profile as  3 at best.  He pitched like that in his rookie year and could potentially get better (he could get worse too). 

[nicksaviking]

 

The thing about Duffey is that you saw his peripherals improve with each step up the ladder.  That certainly was encouraging.  I'm not quite sure the type of pitcher he's going to be, but with a mid-90s FB and a hammer curve, he could be a pretty good one.  I thought he would profile as  3 at best.  He pitched like that in his rookie year and could potentially get better (he could get worse too). 

 

Agreed, Duffey is a guy who we didn't see coming, but when we see his stuff, it's easy to see that we should have paid more attention.

 

I'm not sure that we actually need to see Dean pitch to know that a 89 MPH fastball an a sub 5.0 K/9 is an extreme long shot.

 

 

[rukavina]

Rosario made the 40-man.  Bit surprising.

 

[Thrylos]

 

OTHER ELIGIBLES:
RHP Jose Abreu, RHP Jason Adam, RHP Nick Anderson, RHP Luke Bard, RHP Omar Bencomo, OF Edgar Corcino, RHP DJ Baxendale, RHP Sam Gibbons, RHP Miguel Gonzalez, IF/OF Niko Goodrum, 1B/3B Bryan Haar, 1B Dalton Hicks, LHP David Hurlbut, RHP Cole Johnson, LHP Brett Lee, RHP Kuo-Hua Lo, IF Aderlin Mejia, RHP Alex Muren, C Carlos Paulino, RHP Greg Peavey, C Michael Quesada, RHP Dereck Rodriguez, C Jairo Rodriguez, OF/1B Reynaldo Rodriguez, LHP Randy Rosario, RHP Tim Shibuya, RHP Matt Summers, RHP Loek Van Mil, RHP Todd Van Steensel, IF/OF Logan Wade, LHP Jason Wheeler, IF/OF Stephen Wickens, RHP Alex Wimmers.

 

 

 

I was going through my list of eligible players and I think that the following should be added to this list (resent MiLB FA signees/re-signees) :

 

OF Marcus Knecht, C Joe Maloney, SS Heiker Meneses,  LHP Dan Ruzler

 

[Seth Stohs]

 

MLB.com (via the Twins website) has an article saying that the Twins are likely to protect Dean. I would guess that there's some mouthpiece within the organization associated with that information. What's the disconnect between what the organization sees in him and what everyone here sees?

 

You mean that the organization actually sees him, a lot, and get daily reports and stats on him... I don't think he's a given, but I know a lot of people really like him.

[Seth Stohs]

 

Most of us didn't see Duffey as a serious prospect either.  Count me amongst those who don't see it with Dean but I hope to be wrong again.

I don't know about that... I mean, Duffey would have been #1 on this list of adds even if he wouldn't have been added in-season. He was very highly regarded. Maybe not by many, but I know Jeremy and I both had him in our Top 15 Twins prospect lists, and we were both clearly a little low with him...

[Seth Stohs]

 

Rosario made the 40-man.  Bit surprising.

 

Where did you hear that? Nothing has leaked yet... 

[Thrylos]

 

Rosario made the 40-man.  Bit surprising.

 

Eddie has been there for a while

Randy not yet.

[Seth Stohs]

 

I was going through my list of eligible players and I think that the following should be added to this list (resent MiLB FA signees/re-signees) :

 

OF Marcus Knecht, C Joe Maloney, SS Heiker Meneses,  LHP Dan Ruzler

 

Yup, all four of them can be added as well. Plus some others probably.

[Thrylos]

 

 

  I'm not quite sure the type of pitcher he's going to be, but with a mid-90s FB and a hammer curve, he could be a pretty good one.

 

Absolutely! 

But to do that, he has to add 4-5mph to his FB, since it averages 90.2 these days...

[sane]

Absolutely! 

But to do that, he has to add 4-5mph to his FB, since it averages 90.2 these days...

Using your math and requirements Jamie Moyer needed to add 17 mph to his fastball in order to pitch in the Big Leagues. MPH is overrated and IQ is underrated.

[Thrylos]

 

Using your math and requirements Jamie Moyer needed to add 17 mph to his fastball in order to pitch in the Big Leagues. MPH is overrated and IQ is underrated.

 

I did not say that.  Duffey is a major leaguer.  Milone is a major leaguer too.  Albers was once.

 

My point was the fact that he does not have a "mid 90s FB".  Just a fact.  Not a comment about his ability as a major league.

[sane]

 

"he could be a pretty good one"

"But to do that, he has to add 4-5mph to his FB"

 

I thought "has to" implied a requirement "to be a pretty good one".

 

If I incorrectly inferred what you implied....My bad!

[rukavina]

And Landa.  Less of a surprise.

[Otto von Ballpark]

#MNTwins add (RHP) J.T. Chargois, Yorman Landa, (LHP) Pat Dean, Mason Melotakis, @trogers34, Randy Rosario & (OF) @walkoff28 to MLB roster.

 

https://twitter.com/Twins/status/667786537292042240

 

(those are the Twitter handles of Taylor Rogers and Adam Walker, for those wondering )

Edited November 20, 2015 by spycake

[Otto von Ballpark]

Not sure I get the Dean thing, I know Jeremy and Seth say the Twins like him, but how much of that might be an overreaction to losing Gilmartin?

 

Rogers, O'Rourke, and probably Darnell are all ahead of him for left handed relief duty, probably Rogers and Darnell for starting duty too (not to mention Milone).

 

Rosario seems like a stretch too, 65 inning in A-ball (and not high-A), 6.8 K/9, 3.88 ERA (5.54 if you include unearned runs, admittedly more frequent at lower levels).  No real experience pitching out of relief yet either.

Edited November 20, 2015 by spycake

[drjim]

 

Not sure I get the Dean thing, I know Jeremy and Seth say the Twins like him, but how much of that might be an overreaction to losing Gilmartin?

 

Rogers, O'Rourke, and probably Darnell are all ahead of him for left handed relief duty, probably Rogers and Darnell for starting duty too (not to mention Milone).

 

Rosario seems like a stretch too, 65 inning in A-ball (and not high-A), 6.8 K/9, 3.88 ERA (5.54 if you include unearned runs, admittedly more frequent at lower levels).  No real experience pitching out of relief yet either.

 

I think Dean shows that Milone and Nolasco are gone in some way. Protects a little bit with starting pitching depth more than worrying about losing him as a LOOGY.

 

The Rosario, Landa, Jorge aspect of the decision is probably based on things we have no way of knowing for sure (injury status).

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I think Dean shows that Milone and Nolasco are gone in some way. Protects a little bit with starting pitching depth more than worrying about losing him as a LOOGY.

Starting pitching depth should be the least of this team's concerns right now, even if they deal Milone and somehow unload Nolasco.  Quality I understand, but not depth, at this point.

 

Had he been chosen, I believe Pat Dean might be the oldest non-minor-league-free-agent Rule 5 pick ever selected, much less actually sticking.

 

Pat Dean's K% vs LHB in AAA last year was 12.2%, lower than everybody on his team except Thielbar and Stauffer:

 

http://minorleaguecentral.com/team?tid=5342015&split=201&amod=%3C%3D&age=99&hand=-1&time=0&type=pitcher&ymod=%3D&dyear=99&rmod=%3D&round=99&table=0

 

This is a real head-scratcher any way you slice it.

[Seth Stohs]

 

Not sure I get the Dean thing, I know Jeremy and Seth say the Twins like him, but how much of that might be an overreaction to losing Gilmartin?

 

Rogers, O'Rourke, and probably Darnell are all ahead of him for left handed relief duty, probably Rogers and Darnell for starting duty too (not to mention Milone).

 

Rosario seems like a stretch too, 65 inning in A-ball (and not high-A), 6.8 K/9, 3.88 ERA (5.54 if you include unearned runs, admittedly more frequent at lower levels).  No real experience pitching out of relief yet either.

 

I'm sure they have no interest in Rosario working out of the bullpen any time soon.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I'm sure they have no interest in Rosario working out of the bullpen any time soon.

I was just noting his experience, I thought some relief experience could have made him a more likely Rule 5 selection, although now that I think about it, plenty of guys are picked as starters and moved to relief.  (Not a lot of guys before high-A, though.)

 

Now that he's on the 40 man roster, though, I could see them fast-tracking Rosario in the pen.  Otherwise, trying to give him a conservative innings progression, it could be 2 years before he even reaches AAA, which would be a lot of time to hang out on the 40-man roster, especially if we hope to be competing these years.

Edited November 20, 2015 by spycake

[Seth Stohs]

 

I was just noting his experience, I thought some relief experience could have made him a more likely Rule 5 selection, although now that I think about it, plenty of guys are picked as starters and moved to relief.  (Not a lot of guys before high-A, though.)

 

Now that he's on the 40 man roster, though, I could see them fast-tracking Rosario in the pen.  Otherwise, trying to give him a conservative innings progression, it could be 2 years before he even reaches AAA, which would be a lot of time to hang out on the 40-man roster, especially if we hope to be competing these years.

 

I would expect it will be. I'd think Rosario will spend all of 2016 in Ft. Myers. And all of 2017 in Chattanooga... Kind of the same thing that Kepler did... and what Polanco would have done as well (although he had his MLB cups of coffee and a little Rochester time this year). 

[jsteve96]

Where did you hear that? Nothing has leaked yet...

Seth the Only explanation is that he is infact, Randy Rosario himself

[Seth Stohs]

 

Seth the Only explanation is that he is infact, Randy Rosario himself

 

Well, the interesting thing is that I had heard about Rosario being added and I was just curious how that was possible... but either way... that was a good call.