Article: Capps reinstated from DL, Waldrop optioned to Rochester

[glunn]

The key point seems to be that a last place team should not be spending big dollars on an expensive closer. Also, the best possible outcome will be for Capps to come back strong, so that some other team will make a good offer for him.

[Guest USAFChief]

Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

 

The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.

What's not crazy is having enough good relievers so you're consistently getting 3 outs in almost every high leverage inning after the 6th, no matter which order you pitch them in.

 

1, 2, or 3 man bullpens--with the rest being low quality filler--don't work very well over 162 games. You're going to need every single one of your bullpen arms to pitch meaningful, high-leverage innings during multiple games over the course of a season. And you'll most likely need more than that, filling in from the minors for guys who get hurt, or are ineffective.

 

I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.

[glunn]

 

I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.

Well said, Chief. I would add that a few extra losses in 2012 might result in a better draft position in 2013.

[Top Gun]

Why don't you just forfeit.

[Brock Beauchamp]

What's not crazy is having enough good relievers so you're consistently getting 3 outs in almost every high leverage inning after the 6th, no matter which order you pitch them in.

 

1, 2, or 3 man bullpens--with the rest being low quality filler--don't work very well over 162 games. You're going to need every single one of your bullpen arms to pitch meaningful, high-leverage innings during multiple games over the course of a season. And you'll most likely need more than that, filling in from the minors for guys who get hurt, or are ineffective.

 

I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.

If Duensing goes back to the pen where he belongs, the Twins pen is fine. They have four quality arms in the pen: Burnett, Burton, Duensing, Perkins. That's plenty. Of course, the more the merrier but it's not as if Capps is holding down the pen.

[TheSchweeze]

ATTN: rocketpig

Even if no one else does, I get the 3/5 joke...congratulations on finding humor in our forefathers mistake.

[Fire Dan Gladden]

For some reason the Twins feel they need to have the "Closer" position solidified, whether it is a good decision or not. Everybody new that the Twins chances this year were pretty slim, yet they decided to resign him anyways. While trading him would now, especially when he has been pitching fairly well, would make the most sense, I don't believe sense will play into the team's decision. If Capps is not moved before the deadline, it is a guarantee the team will pick up his option for next year.

 

Glenn Perkins does not need to be the closer, they need to continue to put him in the high leverage middle inning situations. He excels there. Locking him into a fixed situation where the pressure level fluctuates does not seem to suit him. Does anybody remember Matt Guerrer? Same thing for him.

[Rosterman]

And the Twins do have arms in the minors that still need a major league look (Slama if he can get healthy). Guerra should be next in line. And, yes...you don't need a first-line closer if you aren't winning games. You can develop one.......

[Blackjack]

The Twins like a good closer because management realizes that it’s a psychological blow to the whole team every time they lose in the 9th inning. Can you say 'Ron Davis'?

[Brock Beauchamp]

The key point seems to be that any team should not be spending big dollars on an expensive closer.

I edited your post for clarity. I hope you don't mind.

 

"Closers" are nonsense in their current iteration. In many cases, guys like Perkins and Burton are more valuable than a ninth inning specialist. Since the advent of the "ninth inning closer", baseball teams are winning the exact same percentage of games they lead heading into the ninth that they were before La Russa created the Eckersley monster.

 

And if teams aren't winning a higher percentage of games they're winning leading into the ninth, why would anyone pay big money to a ninth inning specialist?

 

A "Bullpen Ace", on the other hand... That's an idea I can get behind.

[Top Gun]

Saves is a stat and pitchers get paid big money for this and managers know it.

[DaveW]

Twins should be talking to the Giants about trading for Capps.

Also people act like 4.75 million is an ungodly amount of money, there is no reason why a team won't/can't pick up that money the rest of the season and throw in a decent prospect.

 

Other then K-Rod (who is very expensive) Capps is most likely the best closer/set up guy on the market this year, and teams for whatever reason have a history of over paying in both cash and prospect for proven closers.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Saves is a stat and pitchers get paid big money for this and managers know it.

While I understand the sentiment, then the GM should play "bad guy" in this role and tell the players that it's his idea.

 

Baseball is about winning games, not making players feel good about themselves or making sure they get a huge payday. The Twins would never attract a big FA bullpen guy with this thinking but this thinking goes against the notion of a "big FA bullpen guy" in the first place.

[DPJ]

Twins should be talking to the Giants about trading for Capps.

Also people act like 4.75 million is an ungodly amount of money, there is no reason why a team won't/can't pick up that money the rest of the season and throw in a decent prospect.

 

Why in the hell do the Giants want Capps? Casilla, Romo, Affeldt have and Hensley are more then enough?

 

4.75 and a decent prospect...what world do you live in? This isn't Papelbon or some lights out relief pitcher. He's a medicore relief arm at best who's got a pretty healthy contract NTM the buyout for 2013.

[DaveW]

Why in the hell do the Giants want Capps? Casilla, Romo, Affeldt have and Hensley are more then enough?

 

4.75 and a decent prospect...what world do you live in? This isn't Papelbon or some lights out relief pitcher. He's a medicore relief arm at best who's got a pretty healthy contract NTM the buyout for 2013.

Casilla has been crappy the past 5 or so opps.

 

Then again, I'm not sure why I am even responding to you re: this topic, we all know your rebuttal:

"derp derp Capps sucks derp knowbody will take that ungodly 4.75 mil contract off our hand, Twins suck, Gardy Sucks, Cuddyer sucks, Plouffe sucks derp"

[mini_tb]

Why in the hell do the Giants want Capps? Casilla, Romo, Affeldt have and Hensley are more then enough?

 

4.75 and a decent prospect...what world do you live in? This isn't Papelbon or some lights out relief pitcher. He's a medicore relief arm at best who's got a pretty healthy contract NTM the buyout for 2013.

Remember, 1/2 of Capps 2012 contract has already been paid, so it would only be $2.375M or so. Can't disagree with the rest, though!!

[DPJ]

Casilla has been crappy the past 5 or so opps.

 

So he's had a couple rough outtings so you take on 2.37 million and give up a decent prospect for Matt freakin Capps?

 

Remember, 1/2 of Capps 2012 contract has already been paid, so it would only be $2.375M or so. Can't disagree with the rest, though!!

 

2.37 is alot for a guy that's a non-elite relief pitcher who's had health issues this season. Work in his buyout for next season and that's damn near 3 million dollars for a half of a season of Matt Capps. Would you pay 3 million for half a season of Matt Capps?

[mini_tb]

So he's had a couple rough outtings so you take on 2.37 million and give up a decent prospect for Matt freakin Capps?

 

 

 

2.37 is alot for a guy that's a non-elite relief pitcher who's had health issues this season. Work in his buyout for next season and that's damn near 3 million dollars for a half of a season of Matt Capps. Would you pay 3 million for half a season of Matt Capps?

Absolutely not. Capps would be 4th or 5th on the bullpen depth chart for the Giants. That's a lot of cash for what would probably amount to a mop up guy. Besides, they've got Lincecum for that once they get fed up with him in the rotation.

[Thrylos]

The manager said that Capps will not be closing for a while... way to increase his trade value with half a month left...

[Roncoomerfan]

The manager said that Capps will not be closing for a while... way to increase his trade value with half a month left...

Pretty sure this doesn't matter. Capps is going to a contender most likely as a 7th or 8th inning guy.

[Loosey]

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