We have really bad mods or ones who just miss BYTO

[gunnarthor]

I posted that I don't care if Hunter comes back or not but I did enjoy that he ticks off the segment of the fan base that doesn't like opinionated black men.  Mods delete it.  I guess we have a lot of Strib commentators in our mod group. 

 

Meanwhile, posts insulting the intelligence of our GM in our "congrats on our season" thread stay up. 

[Craig Arko]

Ouch. Probably harsher than that needs to be.

[Squirrel]

If you want to keep playing the race card inappropriately and unnecessarily, your post will be deleted each and every time. Why don't you try and read your messages that explained this.

 

And if this were BYTO nothing would get deleted, ever, especially not your post, as that kind of thing is exactly what BYTO thrived on. The problem you seem to have is yours is the only opinion that matters and that we should operate according to what you think should be. I can guarantee that posters from all 'sides' of every, single issue thinks their 'side' is treated unfairly and the other 'side' slides by. It's just not so.

 

As for the Ryan issue in the kudos thread, you are the one who made it personal. I don't think it unreasonable to allow a poster to disagree, as long as it is done with civility and as long as that doesn't get completely side tracked off the thread topic. Your response in calling that poster a 'wet blanket' was making it personal. Why not just ignore it? And in case you didn't notice, some subsequent posts by that poster were also deleted.

 

This is far more an explanation than I think you or anyone deserves as these issues should remain private. But since you are hell bent on making them public, so be it.

[gunnarthor]

Pointing out that that Hunter's success pisses off a (hopefully) small but vocal segment of the Twins fan base isn't unnecessary or inappropriate - it's a legitimate reason I like him so much and will be ok if he comes back which was what the thread was about.  The massive amount of negativity you've let stand - (while deciding that this is the uncomfortable discussion that doesn't) - is the biggest problem with TD.

 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

It's really easy to sit back and criticize people who have to make tough decisions every day to keep a community on track and balanced.

 

The real bias is in this post, not the moderator action that led to it. You see what you want to see and disregard all the action taken against the "other side" on a regular basis.

 

The moderators here do a hell of a lot of work and we're able to give them very little in return. I have little patience for those who undermine all the work they put into this site to keep it operational.

[Squirrel]

Pointing out that that Hunter's success pisses off a (hopefully) small but vocal segment of the Twins fan base isn't unnecessary or inappropriate - it's a legitimate reason I like him so much and will be ok if he comes back which was what the thread was about.  The massive amount of negativity you've let stand - (while deciding that this is the uncomfortable discussion that doesn't) - is the biggest problem with TD.

I didn't remove it, but I agreed with its removal. You seem incapable of having any discussion about Torii without insinuating that people don't want him solely because of his race. Most posters discussing baseball, in a baseball forum, don't want Torii for baseball reasons. But you want to attribute racism as a reason every single time for people's 'real reason' without any acknowledgement that posters may have legitimate baseball reasons. Could there be those who this is a primary issue? Sure, I don't think anyone denies that this could be a reason for some. But to me, you don't seem to even want a legitimate discussion on racism, you just want to throw it out there at every opportunity whether or not germaine to any discussion at hand as it serves your purpose for entertainment in derailing discussions on baseball.

[Oldgoat_MN]

I love baseball. Everyone who knows me knows I love baseball. People talk to me about baseball all the time.

 

I am a software consultant and so I am at different sites, lots of different companies.

 

I have never, in all these years, ever heard anyone refer to Torii regarding his race except for a few times when people have pointed out how cool the Torii Hunter Project is.

 

I'm not sure who you hang out with, but I'm glad I have never encountered those folks. 

You need to hang out with better (smarter) people.

[glunn]

Please also keep in mind that we moderators are not responsible for policing negativity.  So long as people are civil and follow our rules, they can be as negative (or positive) as they wish.

 

[gunnarthor]

 

I didn't remove it, but I agreed with its removal. You seem incapable of having any discussion about Torii without insinuating that people don't want him solely because of his race. Most posters discussing baseball, in a baseball forum, don't want Torii for baseball reasons. But you want to attribute racism as a reason every single time for people's 'real reason' without any acknowledgement that posters may have legitimate baseball reasons. Could there be those who this is a primary issue? Sure, I don't think anyone denies that this could be a reason for some. But to me, you don't seem to even want a legitimate discussion on racism, you just want to throw it out there at every opportunity whether or not germaine to any discussion at hand as it serves your purpose for entertainment in derailing discussions on baseball.

Yeah, I admit the ugly racism is a big thing for me.  I disagree that I've suggested it's anyone's primary motive (or every singled anyone out at all) but I do think it's a much bigger one than most people want to admit to.  And, as I've said, it's a big reason I enjoy having him on our Twins team.

 

That said, I will thank you for your explanation on why the post was removed and I do owe you an apology for the BYTO crack. 

[ashbury]

 I disagree that I've suggested it's anyone's primary motive (or every singled anyone out at all)

Still, the focus of the comment was on others. As the TD Comment Policy says in just about every way possible, when in doubt it's best to not frame a discussion in terms of other people.

 

A-OK: "I would support bringing Torii back - among other things I like his outspokenness."

 

Not-Nearly-So-OK: "There is a segment of the fan base that doesn't like his outspokenness."

 

Even apart from the explicit race angle, it's already going down a path that eventually leads to unproductive bickering. Well, OK, it's the reverse - when bickering has broken out, it usually stemmed from some post that took things unnecessarily to a personal level, and others took the bait.

 

I'm actually gratified at how often no other TD posters take the bait when someone says something inflammatory.

[USAFChief]

I removed the post in question. In doing so, I sent you a PM explaining why.

 

If you have issues with that, I'm the mod you should be PMing.

 

I suggest also that you review the posting guidelines.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I love baseball. Everyone who knows me knows I love baseball. People talk to me about baseball all the time.

 

I am a software consultant and so I am at different sites, lots of different companies.

 

I have never, in all these years, ever heard anyone refer to Torii regarding his race except for a few times when people have pointed out how cool the Torii Hunter Project is.

 

I'm not sure who you hang out with, but I'm glad I have never encountered those folks. 

You need to hang out with better (smarter) people.

Thanks old goat.

 

No disrespect to you gunnarthor but I have not picked up on any such signals here at Twins Daily.

[nytwinsfan]

I have not seen any evidence to support the poster's theory. I for one don't want Hunter back next year because he will be 41 and he contributed -0.9 WAR this year according to Baseball Reference. While his power is still average, his defense and OBP are both poor.  There is simply no room for him on the 25-man or the 40-man next year. All that said, I would be fine with him coming back as a bench coach.

[dgwills]

The moderators are good here. It's important to keep things civil so people aren't afraid to post their opinions. I once even reported a post by a moderator and they deleted their own post. That was a great day. Calling someone a racist without concrete proof is a mistake. It's an assertion that is impossible to disprove and many people will believe it without any kind of evidence. I can understand that this would be difficult not to do if you are sensitive to racism. Certainly racism is still a problem. I was shocked by it when I moved from Minnesota to Florida.

[Craig Arko]

Hey guys. We may not see eye to eye on some things but the place is so much the better with you.

 

I never knew BYTO, but from the descriptions it sounds something like 'prior to the invention of indoor plumbing.'

 

So, keep up the good work, and like the Twins, keep up the improvements.

[Monkeypaws]

HATE! ANGER! ETC!

 

Why bother? Just do what I do and kick a door or a wall, stub your toe...then you really got something to gripe about....

[twinsnorth49]

This positive vs negative meme is so lame. It's really quite simple, have whatever opinion you want, they're all welcome. Just don't make those opinions about other posters or groups of posters. Seriously, it's not that hard.

[Mike Sixel]

I think the mods here are generally great.

 

I think that sometimes a certain segment is allowed to talk about other posters too much, and not about the posters' posts. But, that's a small nit generally. I wouldn't come back if I didn't like how the site was run, and clearly I keep coming back.......

[DaveW]

 

 

I have never, in all these years, ever heard anyone refer to Torii regarding his race except for a few times when people have pointed out how cool the Torii Hunter Project is.

 

I'm not sure who you hang out with, but I'm glad I have never encountered those folks. 

You need to hang out with better (smarter) people.

Agreed, I don't understand it at all and I think the OP was way off base by implying people had an issue with Hunter being black (versus his production)

While many disagree with what Hunter has said politically, about Homosexuality etc, it has never been about race and always has been about substance, even then, 99% of the people arguing for him not to be back have been using results/production as the reason why.

 

Lastly, I have probably had the most "issues" with mods on TD, but they do a pretty damn good job overall.

[Squirrel]

 

 

Lastly, I have probably had the most "issues" with mods on TD, but they do a pretty damn good job overall.

Yeah, and I'll collect on those 3 drinks one day, too.

[DaveW]

Why did my thread in this "questions" sub topic get deleted? I didn't refer to anything in said deleted thread, it's an honest critique and question

[Squirrel]

 

Why did my thread in this "questions" sub topic get deleted? I didn't refer to anything in said deleted thread, it's an honest critique and question

You didn't post any in this thread ... not that I can see.

[DaveW]

You didn't post any in this thread ... not that I can see.

It was a started "thread" in this sub topic. That was immediately deleted, one of you responded to me via PM though to say that they did it etc which I applaud, still would appreciate some more clarity on the matter though.

[DocBauer]

I love baseball. Everyone who knows me knows I love baseball. People talk to me about baseball all the time.

 

I am a software consultant and so I am at different sites, lots of different companies.

 

I have never, in all these years, ever heard anyone refer to Torii regarding his race except for a few times when people have pointed out how cool the Torii Hunter Project is.

 

I'm not sure who you hang out with, but I'm glad I have never encountered those folks. 

You need to hang out with better (smarter) people.

I didn't read the original discussion/post, but I certainly get the gist of this conversation. I'm also dense enough or lost enough that I'm uncertain of the BYTO reference. But I really like this post from Goat!

 

Hunter has always been one of my favorite all time players, and I was heartbroken when he left the Twins. He's said some thing that disappointed me or ticked me off over the years, but always liked and respected him. And I have always applauded his efforts to bring baseball back to the inner cities. I know this thread isn't about that, but I just wanted to say it.

 

As to the mods on here, I think they do a tremendous job! They are part of the community and discussions while "moderating" without "policing". In fact, the harshness of any action they partake in involves little more than a hand slap and reminder to be civil.