Johnny Cueto to the Royals... rental or are they going to sign him long term?

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2015/07/26/johnny-cueto-trade-reds-royals/30696051/

I see about a 2% chance Cueto is resigned. The Royals simply do not build financially around one player. They'll have big raises coming soon for their guys, and it could be a matter of 1-2 years before they enter another down period as they rebuild after moving/losing Hosmer, Moustakas, Gordon, Cain, Escobar, and their bullpen.

 

The Mets/Braves trade already bore fruit for the Mets with Uribe knocking in the winning run today as the Mets defeated the Dodgers and ended Greinke's scoreless streak in the process. 

Cueto is going to the open market.  He might (slim chance) resign with the Royals but he made it this close to FA so it is very unlikely that he would resign at this point.  There must be an example of a near elite rental like Cueto resigning (before entering FA) with his new team but that must be really rare.

 

Derek Norris might or might not be poor at controlling the running game but he also has a poor defensive reputation.  One difference this year in his stats are that last year he was used in a platoon.  39% of his AB's were against LHP.  this year that number is 22%.  He hasn't hit them very well (small sample) but he plays in a division against Kershaw and Bumgarner so that might be one reason.

 

I would grudgingly trade for Norris.  My guess is that the Padres were going to move him to 1B in a year to make way for Hedges and because Alonso was not that good.

Twins need to aim higher than Norris long term IMO.

Well, if starting pitching falters, let's just forget about this season, trade for the future.

 

Well, if starting pitching falters, let's just forget about this season, trade for the future.

I don't understand this at all.

 

Are you suggesting that this can happen in the next 5 days before the trade deadline?

 

I don't understand this at all.

 

Are you suggesting that this can happen in the next 5 days before the trade deadline?

The starting pitching has not been good after the all-star break. If the starting pitching falters, Twins absolutely has no chance of making post season. might as well look into the future.

I don't understand this at all.

 

Are you suggesting that this can happen in the next 5 days before the trade deadline?

Are you suggesting the starting pitching hasn't already faltered?

 

It obviously won't happen, but the Twins could set themselves up for long term success if they were sellers this year. They never had many valuable pieces during the drought, now they have a few.

The starting pitching has not been good after the all-star break. If the starting pitching falters, Twins absolutely has no chance of making post season. might as well look into the future.

Hughes and Santana both looked pretty damn good, Miloneand Pelfrey looked "ok", gibby is the only one struggling

 

Are you suggesting the starting pitching hasn't already faltered?

It obviously won't happen, but the Twins could set themselves up for long term success if they were sellers this year. They never had many valuable pieces during the drought, now they have a few.

 

But how many of these are upcoming free agents? Pelfrey and Hunter aren't getting you enough in prospects to justify a trade when you are up 3 games in the wild card.

 

Anyone else can be traded in the offseason for basically the same return.

There is no one to trade for the future, other than Plouffe and Perkins. That's it. The veterans are either bad, or Dozier, or recently signed SP that won't be traded. This is not a team that signed SP to flip them, or decided to deal it's RP, or C.......it's a team that is/isn't rebuilding.

This thread is turning into one that's on the wrong board...

 

The starting pitching has not been good after the all-star break. If the starting pitching falters, Twins absolutely has no chance of making post season. might as well look into the future.

Yes, but you need to make the decision to concede the playoffs in the next 5 days.  At that point the Twins will still be in a WC spot.  It would be absolutely criminal to sell while a team is not only in contention of a playoff spot but several games up.  The FO should be ripped to shreds if they consider it.

 

They can sell on Pelfrey, Duensing and Fien though.  They might get a bag of balls, a rosin bag and if they are really lucky a new fungo.

 

Yes, but you need to make the decision to concede the playoffs in the next 5 days.  At that point the Twins will still be in a WC spot.  It would be absolutely criminal to sell while a team is not only in contention of a playoff spot but several games up.  The FO should be ripped to shreds if they consider it.

 

They can sell on Pelfrey, Duensing and Fien though.  They might get a bag of balls, a rosin bag and if they are really lucky a new fungo.

 

They've don't it before.....according to some players.

Astros have two catchers and Luhnow wants a flamethrower.

 

Could Meyer+Suzuki for Conger or Castro be the basis of a deal? As a point of reference, Conger was traded last offseason for Carlos Perez (24 y/o C prospect) and 24 y/o Nick Tropeano (5th round RHSP). Neither was a preseason top 10 prospect for Houston.

I doubt any contender would be targeting Meyer as a MLB addition right now.  He's definitely a buy-low candidate for teams as a very recently fallen prospect, though, so he could draw offers like this.

 

Conger or Castro would be improvements, but I'd rather roll the dice on AJ, Navarro, etc. for less than Meyer.

 

I wonder if we'll see fewer trades now that the additional Wild Card team has been added. The difference between being in the hunt and being out of the hunt for a playoff spot has shrunk. Also, a team's chances of correcting the ship the following year, in general, is greater because of parity among teams (and the additional Wild Card). I think teams will stand pat more than ever. Unless, of course, decisive deals (clearly good for both teams) comes along.

 

I think as teams drop out after the deadline we'll see more August waiver period deals than usual. Twins could be active then also, if history is any indication. But usually it's been as sellers. Maybe this year it'll be as buyers.

August waiver deals have been more prominent since the inception of the wild card. In my lifetime, I believe the biggest waiver deal pre-wild card was the Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz swap. Jeff Bagwell was also acquired through a waiver deal for Larry Anderson. Outside of that, there's not a whole lot, and both of those deals were more famous for the prospect involved than the guy that required passing through waivers.

Edited July 27, 201511 yr by biggentleben

Victorino to the Angels for Rutledge.

 

Victorino to the Angels for Rutledge.

 

"Man, I have a lot of really crappy red fabric."

 

"Huh, well I have a lot of really crappy blue fabric."

 

"Want to swap some red for blue?"

 

"Sure"

Zobrist to the Royals...

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/royals-to-acquire-ben-zobrist.html