July 24, 201511 yr In an effort to consolidate talk on consummated trade talks - here is a mega thread for it. First two deals that went down today: Pirates add Ramirez Kazmir to the Astros
July 24, 201511 yr Cards add Steve Cishek for AA RHRP Kyle BarracloughI kinda hoped the Twins would take a run at Cishek....
July 24, 201511 yr Cards add Steve Cishek for AA RHRP Kyle BarracloughBarraclough (great name) is a 25 year old reliever with a 10.2 K/9 in AA... but also a 7.3 BB/9. Cishek has been iffy this year, although he is also controlled for 2 more seasons too. And the Cards probably deserve the benefit of the doubt (although they failed to get Justin Masterson turned around last year).
July 24, 201511 yr Cards add Steve Cishek for AA RHRP Kyle BarracloughDoesn't look like St Lou gave up much to get him. 25-year-old reliever at AA, with good K/9 numbers but not that much overall success. I happened to see Cishek pitch in Boston and I wasn't much impressed, but his defense didn't do him any favors that inning either. Seems like a good arm to add to a bullpen mix, where there's some upside, and I would have been happy to see a similar deal done by us.
July 24, 201511 yr The Yankees announced they will listen to trade offers for MiLB catcher Gary Sanchez. Still young (22) he's been moving slowly through the Yankees system. Hits well. Reports on his defense varies widely. Possible target for the Twins??
July 24, 201511 yr The Yankees announced they will listen to trade offers for MiLB catcher Gary Sanchez. Still young (22) he's been moving slowly through the Yankees system. Hits well. Reports on his defense varies widely. Possible target for the Twins??Pretty sure they'd want to move him for a guy like Price or Cueto. Or in a package for a guy like Tulo. Don't think the Twins are selling anything like that.
July 24, 201511 yr Barraclough (great name) is a 25 year old reliever with a 10.2 K/9 in AA... but also a 7.3 BB/9.On the subject of great names, I submit "Christian Turnipseed" minor league pitcher for the Orioles.I DID NOT MAKE THIS UP!
July 24, 201511 yr The Yankees announced they will listen to trade offers for MiLB catcher Gary Sanchez. Still young (22) he's been moving slowly through the Yankees system. Hits well. Reports on his defense varies widely. Possible target for the Twins?? I suggested this earlier this week. Yes, yes he is. Not sure what it would take.......
July 24, 201511 yr I suggested this earlier this week. Yes, yes he is. Not sure what it would take....... It would take something the Twins don't have or aren't selling.
July 24, 201511 yr Coming into the year, he was the Yankees 11th rated prospect by Kiley.....so even if he's ticked it up this year, I think you may be over estimating the cost.....
July 24, 201511 yr I wonder if we'll see fewer trades now that the additional Wild Card team has been added. The difference between being in the hunt and being out of the hunt for a playoff spot has shrunk. Also, a team's chances of correcting the ship the following year, in general, is greater because of parity among teams (and the additional Wild Card). I think teams will stand pat more than ever. Unless, of course, decisive deals (clearly good for both teams) comes along. Edited July 24, 201511 yr by ScrapTheNickname
July 24, 201511 yr Author San Diego News Polanco for Norris? Also, QO for Wieters means he may hit the market after all. Edited July 24, 201511 yr by TheLeviathan
July 24, 201511 yr Coming into the year, he was the Yankees 11th rated prospect by Kiley.....so even if he's ticked it up this year, I think you may be over estimating the cost.....I doubt the Yankees are floating his name at the deadline for a prospect swap. And the Twins MLB pieces are generally either not good enough or off limits. Just not a good match.
July 24, 201511 yr San Diego News Polanco for Norris? Also, QO for Wieters means he may hit the market after all.That link suggests SD is most eager to move more expensive assets ( although at least Polanco is a reasonable starting offer).
July 24, 201511 yr Barraclough (great name) is a 25 year old reliever with a 10.2 K/9 in AA... but also a 7.3 BB/9. Cishek has been iffy this year, although he is also controlled for 2 more seasons too. And the Cards probably deserve the benefit of the doubt (although they failed to get Justin Masterson turned around last year). Barraclough was drafted by the Twins in 2011 (but didn't sign.) TJ Chargois might be a good comparable for the Twins these days. Chishek's velocity dropped 2-3 mph across the board this season, which makes me think that he is hurt. Not. Good. Twins' dodged a bullet with this one...
July 24, 201511 yr Author That link suggests SD is most eager to move more expensive assets ( although at least Polanco is a reasonable starting offer). It also says other GMs expect them to "sell big".
July 24, 201511 yr I wonder if we'll see fewer trades now that the additional Wild Card team has been added. The difference between being in the hunt and being out of the hunt for a playoff spot has shrunk. Also, a team's chances of correcting the ship the following year, in general, is greater because of parity among teams (and the additional Wild Card). I think teams will stand pat more than ever. Unless, of course, decisive deals (clearly good for both teams) comes along.Definitely, although the new FA draft pick comp rules have had an effect too.
July 24, 201511 yr It also says other GMs expect them to "sell big".Trading Shields, Kimbrel, etc. would be selling big. Trading cheap assets like Norris too might be more like rebuilding if not A's or Marlins style dismantling.
July 24, 201511 yr Author Trading Shields, Kimbrel, etc. would be selling big. Trading cheap assets like Norris too might be more like rebuilding if not A's or Marlins style dismantling. You're right, we should totally try and get into semantics about what "sell big" means. That's helpful. Anyway, if they want a shortstop it sounds like Polanco might be a nice place to start to see if we can entice them to deal a catcher.
July 24, 201511 yr You're right, we should totally try and get into semantics about what "sell big" means. That's helpful. There have been long, intense debates about much less.
July 24, 201511 yr Definitely, although the new FA draft pick comp rules have had an effect too. How so? A rental is only a rental. It's adjusted the cost that an acquiring team no longer gets a draft pick when that player moves on, but the demand for such players really hasn't changed.
July 24, 201511 yr You're right, we should totally try and get into semantics about what "sell big" means. That's helpful. .Not my intent, sorry. Just clarifying I haven't seen Norris mentioned in any of the Padres trade reporting. Thought it was relevant. Ken Rosenthal listed a bunch of Padres recently, and catchers were indeed not among them -- they are all expensive or pending FA: https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/624275821256142849
July 24, 201511 yr Pretty sure they'd want to move him for a guy like Price or Cueto. Or in a package for a guy like Tulo. Don't think the Twins are selling anything like that.Interesting. From what I was reading about him, he wasn't valued nearly that high. The feeling by some was the Yankees valued defense over offense at catcher and were happy with the combo of McCann and Murphy. Sanchez didn't have good enough catching skills.
July 24, 201511 yr How so? A rental is only a rental. It's adjusted the cost that an acquiring team no longer gets a draft pick when that player moves on, but the demand for such players really hasn't changed.Like you say, the cost is higher if the acquiring team can't get that pick. I wouldn't be surprised if some teams have backed off, especially for more marginal targets like Samardzija this year, and opted to settle for cheaper/internal options. Obviously it doesn't end the rental market, but it has an effect. Guys like Samardzija and Price went a year early too, which is another effect. (More guys might go in the off season too, like Samardzija 2.0). Edited July 24, 201511 yr by spycake
July 24, 201511 yr Author Not my intent, sorry. Just clarifying I haven't seen Norris mentioned in any of the Padres trade reporting. Thought it was relevant.Ken Rosenthal listed a bunch of Padres recently, and catchers were indeed not among them -- they are all expensive or pending FA:https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/624275821256142849That's true, most of his mentions seem to be more of the speculation variety, but his name is floating around. We read he is on the Twins radar, for example. Now how much of that speculation is accurate is questionable for sure.
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