Any chance the Twins can sign Matuella?

If he's there at 73, go for it.  But I don't think he'll fall much further.

And the Twins fans are like:

 

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I like Cody if they give him a chance to start. I'd guess they would.

I don't fully understand the concern, and here's why: a vast majority of college starters who ever make the majors do so as relievers, because they fail to develop effective secondary pitches, right? It usually isn't about stamina and arm strength, but about having a mix that works  through a turn of the lineup or two. So, If the scouts believe in a prospect's ability to develop pitches, why is it such a huge stretch to think a guy like Duffy or Jay can gain the necessary stamina and arm strength to succeed as a starter. Body type? Tate is 6'2", Jay 6'1", right?

So basically don't question a pick? They have been terrible at developing pitchers.....of their starters ONE is a guy they drafted. I think skepticism has some warrant.

I like Jay. The next pick? They have broken Meyer.......Bonnes did a study, almost no tall pitchers have worked out in all the majors.

Basically 2 for 2, I had my choice for #1 as Tucker , but if Bregman or Tate were their they would take them, and if all 3 were gone , i said Jay, and got Cody right in 2nd round.........I thought i had a chance to get 2, of the first 10, now if i can get one more,  it will be all luck and i will buy a lottery ticket........my next prediction for Round 3 is: Austin Rei , Catcher......cmon baby LOL

I'm not impressed with Cody, but by this point the odds of getting a good big leaguer are so low that I don't have strong feelings about picks either way.

So basically don't question a pick? They have been terrible at developing pitchers.....of their starters ONE is a guy they drafted. I think skepticism has some warrant.

I like Jay. The next pick? They have broken Meyer.......Bonnes did a study, almost no tall pitchers have worked out in all the majors.

I like Jay, too. But I fully expect him to be a key man, about 6 years from now, after years of struggle trying to convert to an SP, and then pitching late innings for the Twins.

So basically don't question a pick?

That's right, I think it's another one of those "unwritten rules" I've heard whispered about periodically on TD...

Edited June 9, 201511 yr by jokin

 

 

 

I like Jay, too. But I fully expect him to be a key man, about 6 years from now, after years of struggle trying to convert to an SP, and then pitching late innings for the Twins.

Hey!!! Nothing wrong with that, that means instead of becoming FA , they go and retire

From an outsider's perspective, it appears developing pitchers has been a problem for the Twins organization for a while.  It seems to me it'd be time to overhaul the developmental pitching staff starting with Pitching Coordinator Eric Rasmussen and going from there.  Rasmussen has been in charge of developing Twins pitchers and their program since 2008 and not too many things have gone too well since then.  Just saying, but I know how loyal the Twins are, often to a fault and Rasmussen has been with the organization since 1991

From an outsider's perspective, it appears developing pitchers has been a problem for the Twins organization for a while.  It seems to me it'd be time to overhaul the developmental pitching staff starting with Pitching Coordinator Eric Rasmussen and going from there.  Rasmussen has been in charge of developing Twins pitchers and their program since 2008 and not too many things have gone too well since then.  Just saying, but I know how loyal the Twins are, often to a fault and Rasmussen has been with the organization since 1991

The Twins have drafted and developed two ace pitchers since they moved to this state. Pretty sad indictment if you ask me. I could accept an arguement that Dave Boswell would have been a third. Still, no aces since Viola in 1981 with the next best, the good but not great Brad Radke, all the way back in 1991.

I'm okay with this pick.  Not because jay is awesome but I'm also underwhelmed by the other options.  Jay is at least intriguing based on stuff.  It could be worse.  they could have taken a quick to the majors pitcher with mediocre stuff.

 

The Twins have drafted and developed two ace pitchers since they moved to this state. Pretty sad indictment if you ask me. I could accept an arguement that Dave Boswell would have been a third. Still, no aces since Viola in 1981 with the next best, the good but not great Brad Radke, all the way back in 1991.

Blyleven? altho he was only in Minor leagues for a few weeks.

 

So basically don't question a pick? They have been terrible at developing pitchers.....of their starters ONE is a guy they drafted. I think skepticism has some warrant.
 

 

I was just curious to see how this compared to the rest of the league so I did a little bit of research. For the first part I just included guys they drafted in the rotation, as you said. I only looked up the AL.

 

NYY - 1 TB - 0 Toronto - 2 Bos - 1 Bal - 1

KC - 1 Det - 0 Cle - 0 CWS - 1 Min - 1

Hou - 2 Tex - 3 LAA - 2 Sea - 1 Oak - 1

 

Without Minnesota that averages out to 1.14 starting pitchers per team that were drafted. 

 

I expanded it to include international free agents signed by the original team, while not everyone has the same opportunity like a draft I still ran it that way also.

 

NYY - 2 TB - 1 Tor - 2 Bos - 1 Bal - 2

KC - 2 Det - 0 Cle - 1 CWS - 1 Min - 1

Hou - 2 Tex - 3 LAA - 2 Sea - 3 Oak -1

 

Without Minnesota that averages out to 1.64 starting pitchers acquired either via the draft or international free agency.  

 

Skepticism may be warranted, but I don't think you can point to the idea that somehow they are much less effective at developing their own picks as starters than other teams.

 

Edit: Sorry for the spacing issues. It looks normal on my screen, but doesn't format right after I post.

Edited June 9, 201511 yr by USMCTwin

 

I was just curious to see how this compared to the rest of the league so I did a little bit of research. For the first part I just included guys they drafted in the rotation, as you said. I only looked up the AL.

 

NYY - 1 TB - 0 Toronto - 2 Bos - 1 Bal - 1

KC - 1 Det - 0 Cle - 0 CWS - 1 Min - 1

Hou - 2 Tex - 3 LAA - 2 Sea - 1 Oak - 1

 

Without Minnesota that averages out to 1.14 starting pitchers per team that were drafted. 

 

I expanded it to include international free agents signed by the original team, while not everyone has the same opportunity like a draft I still ran it that way also.

 

NYY - 2 TB - 1 Tor - 2 Bos - 1 Bal - 2

KC - 2 Det - 0 Cle - 1 CWS - 1 Min - 1

Hou - 2 Tex - 3 LAA - 2 Sea - 3 Oak -1

 

Without Minnesota that averages out to 1.64 starting pitchers acquired either via the draft or international free agency.  

 

Skepticism may be warranted, but I don't think you can point to the idea that somehow they are much less effective at developing their own picks as starters than other teams.

 

Edit: Sorry for the spacing issues. It looks normal on my screen, but doesn't format right after I post.

 

Wow. Thanks for this. Wow.

Thanks for that research. I was actually going to do the same thing this afternoon. 1 starting pitcher is problematic, but certainly not way out of the norm. People underestimate the amount of player movement that happens around the league.

 

I think that there are a lot of critiques about the Twins and their development and roster construction that seem bad on their own but really aren't that much of an outlier compared to the rest of the league. The goal of course is the be the best. Failing that, it does help to have proper context and perspective.

 

Skepticism may be warranted, but I don't think you can point to the idea that somehow they are much less effective at developing their own picks as starters than other teams.

 

 

This why many teams that are analytic based are drafting college bats, much easier and likely to develop.  Then use that savings of developing your own homegrown positional players to go buy some MLB proven pitching on the free market or trade some of your positional depth.